Minutes, IBIS Quality Committee 10 Feb 2009 11-12 AM EST (8-9 AM PST) ROLL CALL Adam Tambone * Anders Ekholm, Ericsson Barry Katz, SiSoft Benny Lazer Benjamin P Silva Bob Cox, Micron * Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group Brian Arsenault * David Banas, Xilinx Eckhard Lenski, Nokia Siemens Networks Eric Brock * Guan Tao, Huawei Technologies Gregory R Edlund Hazem Hegazy Huang Chunxing, Huawei Technologies John Figueroa John Angulo, Mentor Graphics Katja Koller, Nokia Siemens Networks Kevin Fisher Kim Helliwell, LSI Logic Lance Wang, IOMethodology Lynne Green * Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems Mike Mayer, SiSoft Moshiul Haque, Micron Technology * Muniswarareddy Vorugu, ARM Ltd * Pavani Jella, TI Peter LaFlamme Randy Wolff, Micron Technology Radovan Vuletic, Qimonda Robert Haller, Enterasys Roy Leventhal, Leventhal Design & Communications Sherif Hammad, Mentor Graphics Todd Westerhoff, SiSoft Tom Dagostino, Teraspeed Consulting Group Kazuyoshi Shoji, Hitachi Sadahiro Nonoyama Everyone in attendance marked by * NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. -----------------------MINUTES --------------------------- Mike LaBonte conducted the meeting. Call for patent disclosure: - No one declared a patent. AR Review: - Mike look into MeetingPlace issues - WebEx may be available soon - Mike propose IBISCHK bug for 5.5.6 - TBD New items: IBIS Summit review - David presented information based on his suggestions about IQ Section 7 - Bob: Tim Coyle had a pretty good quality presentation - 54% of models had problems - Anders: It focused on syntax - The real problems are wrong but syntactically correct data - Bob: The presentations are uploaded now AR: Mike insure that David's section 7 document is in work archive 6.2. {LEVEL 3} Sufficient points in waveform table - Why this?: "This doesn't apply to waveforms from measurement." - Bob: No expectation of post-processing data - Bob: Unequal point distribution is a suggestion, not a requirement. - Mike: Should we keep the 1/10 [Ramp] dt suggestion? - We could add a sentence to 5.4.2 - Anders: Uneven timestep is not required if timestep is small enough - Mike: Pathological case with 4 points - David: Point density should be based on 2nd derivative - Bob: Curve fitting algorithms are used - Even with a linear ramp the points should be there - Anders: Isn't PWL required? - Bob: If we require a number of points we have to say why it was chosen - Anders: The word "greater" is the issue - We changed 5.4.2 and deleted 6.2 6.3. {LEVEL 3} Minimize waveform lead-in time - Mike: Does 5.4.3 cover this? - Anders: Excessive lead time can throw off cycle simulation - Total time is to prevent overclocking, but that is no longer a problem - Mike: At one time tools had trouble with long trailing data - They still may not handle leading dead time the same - Bob: There is no math solution to overclocking that matches silicon - Anders: "between all tables in each corner " is not correct - Muniswar: This manipulates the duty cycle - We made small changes to 5.4.3 and deleted 6.2 Next meeting: 17 Feb 2009 11-12 AM EST (8-9 AM PST) Meeting ended at 12:09 PM Eastern Time.