================================================================================ IBIS INTERCONNECT TASK GROUP https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ibis.org_interconnect-5Fwip_&d=DwIGAg&c=nKjWec2b6R0mOyPaz7xtfQ&r=DcQR-qLpQg5lIreuM6-NYECRIAFXt268PRNS5WO043M&m=v1gPPitAWZ9YNnrHfRScVIt0qnfNXqjNkRjB5bI35o4&s=z2kIdNrBT9FBCAAY8E936KPtub6rqrDbmvERVN6wRmo&e= Mailing list: ibis-interconnect@freelists.org Archives at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freelists.org_archive_ibis-2Dinterconn_&d=DwIGAg&c=nKjWec2b6R0mOyPaz7xtfQ&r=DcQR-qLpQg5lIreuM6-NYECRIAFXt268PRNS5WO043M&m=v1gPPitAWZ9YNnrHfRScVIt0qnfNXqjNkRjB5bI35o4&s=GyA8FiTQnd3qCficwAJ9MzNsm7NidQZ0NvcalHDc3Y8&e= ================================================================================ Attendees from February 17, 2021 Meeting (* means attended at least using audio) ANSYS Curtis Clark* Intel Corp. Michael Mirmak* Mentor, A Siemens Business Arpad Muranyi* Micron Technology Justin Butterfield* Randy Wolff* SiSoft (MathWorks) Walter Katz* Teraspeed Labs Bob Ross* Zuken USA Lance Wang* Michael Mirmak convened the meeting. No patents were declared. Justin Butterfield took minutes. Review of Minutes: - Michael called for review of the minutes from the February 10, 2021 meeting. Michael displayed the minutes. Arpad Muranyi moved to approve the minutes. Randy Wolff seconded. The minutes were approved without objection. Review of ARs: - Randy to add the EMD Part Selector proposal to the BIRD. - Randy suggested we may cancel this. - Randy to come up with a practical example to show the hard-coded configurations. - Randy suggested we may also cancel this. - Bob Ross to come up with a pathological example. - Done. Opens: - None. EMD Parts Selector Discussion: Michael noted Randy had sent out a message that the EMD Parts Selector feature proposal is being withdrawn. Randy stated it is taking more time than he would like. The proposal adds significant complexity, and it will be difficult for EDA tools to implement. He noted nothing is broken in EMD currently, and this is a nice to have feature. Michael asked if we would consider adding this feature later. Randy replied we would not be able to add the feature in this manner in the future. Bob stated the options are to put it in now, to put in the hooks to add it later by adding the names for EMD Parts and Voltage List, or we could create new keywords later for the selection. Randy commented we could have a name as a subparameter under a keyword and not change the keyword. Bob stated we might need to add a column to the Parts List as an optional entry. He noted that we have no solution to the complex selection mechanisms. Michael stated it sounds like we will stick with the current BIRD. Michael asked if we expect any issues with the EMD BIRD. Arpad replied adding the names can be done, but it does not address the complexity issue. He is not opposed to this, but he was not sure if this should be done. Arpad asked, regarding the pathological case Bob sent, if this was only a problem for EMD Parts Selector. Even without the selector, we still have nested EMDs, and Bob's case was for nested EMDs in other directories. Bob replied this is not a problem without a selector. The problem is when you reference a file in a separate directory. We also have a rule that the same EMD cannot be recursively referenced, and the parser can check this. Michael stated, since the EMD Parts Selector is deferred to a later version, this would not be an issue. Bob stated the Parts List can reference the same EMD, and this could be a problem. Michael asked if we need to change the rules, and if we need a test case for this to send to the parser developer. Bob replied we need a check for this. He thought there is a rule for this already. Randy noted there is a rule that an EMD file cannot reference itself directly or indirectly. Bob was not sure if the indirect case includes what he is concerned with. Michael asked if we see any reason why we would need to generate a BIRD202.3. He asked if we need to make any changes. Randy replied we have a couple editorial changes, but we can mention these during the vote. We can issue a BIRD202.3 after the vote. Bob asked if the BIRD202.2 has been posted. He has draft7. Michael noted BIRD202.2 is posted on the IBIS website, while the draft7 is on the Interconnect page. Randy had made minor editorial changes to BIRD202.2 on the IBIS website. There are a couple additional editorial changes we would like to make. Randy did not see a reason to delay the BIRD. We could make a motion to vote on it in the IBIS Open Forum meeting this week with the editorial changes. Bob agreed to this. He noted we need to check the section and figure references. Michael suggested these editorial checks are less relative for BIRDs. Michael stated we do not have additional BIRD202.2 topics. Arpad asked if we can start talking about Touchstone. Michael stated we are expecting an Editorial meeting time slot on Friday at 9am PST. We are planning to kick off the Editorial Task Group next week. We could start talking about Touchstone again, but he would propose suspending the Interconnect Task Group while Editorial is going on. Arpad asked how many Editorial meetings did it take in the past to finish the editorial process. Michael replied the goal is to have IBIS 7.1 up for vote by DesignCon. For IBIS 7.0, it took about 6 months. Randy noted we have some work on the AMI parameters to add the new parameters to the tables. Bob stated the work includes all the tables, updating the hierarchy diagram, and updating example dates and versions. Randy commented meeting on two Fridays might be enough to get started, but he suggested to use the Interconnect meeting time slot to make faster progress. Michael stated we will have an official discussion on the meeting scheduling during Friday's IBIS Open Forum meeting. Michael asked if we need a motion to suspend the Interconnect Task Group. Bob moved to suspend the Interconnect Task Group. Arpad seconded the motion. There were no objections. Arpad asked what is the processes for unsuspending the group. Michael replied we can discuss in the IBIS Open Forum, and the email reflector is always open. Next Meeting: The next meeting will be TBD. Bob moved to adjourn. Randy seconded. The meeting adjourned without objection. ================================================================================ Bin List: IBIS-ISS Parser: - IBIS-ISS parser scope document