====================================================================== IBIS INTERCONNECT TASK GROUP http://www.ibis.org/interconnect_wip/ Mailing list: ibis-interconnect@freelists.org Archives at http://www.freelists.org/archive/ibis-interconn/ ====================================================================== Attendees from March 22 Meeting (* means attended at least using audio) ANSYS Curtis Clark Cadence Design Systems Bradley Brim Cisco David Siadat Intel Corp. Michael Mirmak* Keysight Technologies Radek Biernacki, Ming Yan Mentor Graphics Arpad Muranyi* Micron Technology Justin Butterfield, Randy Wolff* SAE ITC Maureen Lemankiewicz, Logen Johnson Signal Integrity Software Walter Katz*, Mike LaBonte* Teraspeed Labs Bob Ross* University of Aveiro in Portugal Wael Dghais Michael Mirmak convened the meeting. No patents were declared. Justin Butterfield took minutes. Review of Minutes: - Michael called for review of the minutes from the February 22 meeting. Mike LaBonte moved to approve the minutes. Bob Ross seconded. The minutes were approved without objection. Review of ARs: - None Opens: - None BIRD189.1 Draft 3: Michael showed the BIRD draft. It corrects minor editorial issues. New figures from Randy Wolff have been inserted. Michael said the new figure is useful to illustrate crosstalk and Aggressor_only. The two outer lines might be labeled Aggressor_only. Bob said "Path" should be "Paths" in the figure caption. He asked why those lines might be labeled Aggressor_only. Michael said the paths at the edge do not model crosstalk contributors on the other side. Mike suggested it should be noted that these four paths are actually part of a wider bus. Bob noted that every other line could be Aggressor_only, because the spec does not constrain this. Arpad suggested that the word "connections" should be changed to something else. Michael suggested it might be "terminals". Walter said connections are usually everything on a signal name, connected by some low impedance, and that that should not be confusing. Mike asked if Aggressor_only needed to be only on one terminal of a path. Walter said that if one is found on a signal the entire signal is Aggressor_only. Michael edited the text to clarify the usage of Aggressor_only. Bob noted that the parser will not care if all terminals on a path have Aggressor_only. Mike suggested that if a model implements no coupling at all then every terminal might be Aggressor_only. Arpad asked if an Aggressor_only line can be used for uncoupled analysis. Walter said it could. Michael showed the Aggressor_only definition in the BIRD. Bob said that it was an informative parameter. Arpad said the second sentence of the text implied that Aggressor_only means the coupling is there. Michael noted that one sentence had the opposite of the intended meaning. He changed the word "omit" to "include". He also changed "document" to "indicate incomplete". Michael said If all models had all coupling then Aggressor_only would never appear. Arpad suggested that the second sentence should have "full coupling". Michael said the second sentence should also have "that are not included". Mike suggested changing the second instance of "document" to "indicate"? Michael showed Table 41. Bob suggested that the horizontal table border lines between groups could be thicker to separate the groups. Michael said we also needed to consistently follow the order pin, signal, bus, pad. Some sections in the outline above were not consistent. Michael made the edits. Michael showed the Unused_port_termination rules. He said Radek had suggested we state that EDA tools can do what they want for unused terminals. It now states that they technically remain open, but adjustments might be made to avoid numerical issues. Bob noted that we did not specify using a 1MOhm resistor as in the original version. Michael noted that the only thing we had not completely resolved was the Aggressor_only language. Bob suggest that figure 42 should have annotations to show the Aggressor_only lines. Randy suggested that that might go in the bottom right corner of the figure. Bob said it should be clear that it's optional. Michael said the updated BIRD would be sent out as draft 4, and that suggested edits for the Aggressor_only section would be sent and discussed by email. We decided there would be no meeting the following week, but the draft 4 version most likely would be submitted to the Open Forum. Mike moved to adjourn. Bob seconded. The meeting adjourned without objection.