====================================================================== IBIS INTERCONNECT TASK GROUP http://www.eda.org/ibis/interconnect_wip/ Mailing list: ibis-interconnect@freelists.org Archives at http://www.freelists.org/archive/ibis-interconn/ ====================================================================== Agenda for Sept. 30 Meeting Review of Attendees Call for Patents Review of Previous Meeting Minutes: Sept. 23, 2015 Opens Review of Walter Katz’s Draft 23 BIRD proposal changes (Terminal) Review of Mike LaBonte’s updated diagrams Review of Bob Ross’s updated diagrams Attendees from Sept. 23 Meeting (* means attended) ANSYS Curtis Clark Cadence Design Systems Bradley Brim Cisco David Siadat Intel Corp. Michael Mirmak* Keysight Technologies Radek Biernacki* Mentor Graphics Arpad Muranyi* Micron Technology Justin Butterfield*, Randy Wolff* Signal Integrity Software Walter Katz, Mike LaBonte* Teraspeed Labs Bob Ross* University of Aveiro in Portugal Wael Dghais No patents were declared. Mike LaBonte moved to approve the minutes of the September 16 meeting. Bob Ross seconded. The motion carried with no objections. No opens were raised. Bob and Mike shared their diagrams explaining various examples and approaches under the new interconnect BIRD proposal In Mike’s diagrams, subcircuits are in boxes, pads are in blue, pins are in green, and vertical lines are for shorts. Drawings only have pullup and pulldown supplies shown (no clamps). One example, the first, shows an organization only by pin name. Examples use 5 powers, 5 grounds. Power/Ground and I/O pins are not distinguished by color. Earlier, terminal content used a box and circuits were points, in essence. Radek Biernacki noted that no ground is explained or mentioned here, in the sense of the more complex non-ideal ground. Exact connections are not shown. Michael Mirmak asked whether P1, P2, and P3 were associated (shorted) by signal_name? Randy Wolff suggested this is an association (not a connection). Example #2 uses signal_name as a bus name. Arpad Muranyi noted that we cannot be sure how the tool knows the P1,P2,P3 are shorted. How are the buffer-side pullup and pulldown shorts accomplished? Example 3 uses Pin Mapping. Radek noted that this implies Pin Mapping is required for Example 2, but not present, for the buffer-side short circuit. Arpad asked how one can determine whether the red short is on the pad side or the buffer side based on the language? Mike commented on the difficulty of the syntax vs. diagram creation, and the lack of actual circuit details in the diagrams. He will add these circuit information diagrams Bob showed his own presentation on diagramming. Pin Mapping associates buffers with pins and pads. We cannot use labels due to confusion. We instead need to use pin and pad names. Some discussion ensued about simplification of Pin Mapping associations. For next time, Bob and Mike are to prepare “cleaned up” proposals and diagrams. Arpad moved to adjourn. Radek seconded the motion.