DATE: 04/28/05 SUBJECT: April 22, 2005 EIA IBIS Open Forum Meeting Minutes VOTING MEMBERS AND 2005 PARTICIPANTS Actel (Prabhu Mohan) Agere (Nirav Patel) AMD (Wasim Ullah) Ansoft Corporation Michael Brenneman Applied Simulation Technology Norio Matsui Cadence Design Systems Lance Wang, Donald Telian, Heiko Dudek Cisco Systems Syed Huq*, Mike LaBonte*, Todd Westerhoff, Zhiping Yang, Vinu Armumugham*, Salman Jiva, Satish Pratapneni, Il-young Park, Sergio Camerlo, Phillipe Sochoux, Eddie Wu, Gurpreet Hundal, Jayanthi Natarajan AbdulRahman Rafiq* Fluent (Chetan Desai) Freescale Jon Burnett* Hitachi ULSI Systems Kazuyoshi Shoji Huawei (Jiang Xiang Zhong) IBM (Wesley Martin) Integrated Circuit Systems (ICS) (Dan Clementi) Intel Corporation Michael Mirmak, Arpad Muranyi* LSI Logic Frank Gasparik Marvell Itzik Peleg Mentor Graphics John Angulo*, Guy de Burgh, Ian Dodd*, Steven McKinney, Kim Owen, Stephane Rousseau Micron Technology Randy Wolff*, Paul Gregory NEC Electronics Corporation Takeshi Watanabe, Lori Askew, Takuro Tsujikawa Panasonic Atsuji Ito Samtec Otto Bennig Siemens AG Eckhard Lenski*, Katja Koller Manfred Maurer, Heinz Ibowski, Wolfgang Rohmer, Klaus Huebner Michael Kindij Siemens Medical David Lieby Signal Integrity Software Robert Haller, Douglas Burns, Barry Katz, Mike Mayer Sigrity Sam Chitwood, Jing Ting, Raymond Chen Jiaguan Fang, Teo Yatman Silego (Joe Froniewski) Silicon Image (Ook Kim) Synopsys (Warren Wong) Teraspeed Consulting Group Bob Ross*, Scott McMorrow, Tom Dagostino Texas Instruments (Jean Claude Perrin) Xilinx Ray Anderson, Sanjay Mehta Zuken Michael Schaeder, Ralf Bruening OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2005: Altera Khalid Ansari Bayside Design Kevin Roselle CelsioniX Kellee Crisafulli EMC Brian Arsenault, Daniel Nilsson, Jason Pritchard, Jinhua Chen Enterasys Networks Fabrizio Zanella EPFL Alain Vachoux Fujitsu Siemens Computers Martin Ramme GEIA (Chris Denham) Green Streak Programs Lynne Green Infineon Technologies AG Thomas Steinecke, Minea Gospodinova, Amir Motamedi, Yann Zinsius, Christian Sporrer, Radovan Vuletic INSA Toulouse Etienne Sicard KAW Kazuhiko Kusunoki Leventhal Design Roy Leventhal NetLogic Eric Hsu North Carolina State Univ. Ambrish Varma Politecnio di Torino Igor Stievano Silicon Bandwidth Kim Helliwell Sun Microsystems Gustavo Blando Time Domain Analysis Systems Dima Smolyansky, Steve Corey Western Digital Mohammad Ali Independent Bernhard Unger (Siemens retired) In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. UPCOMING MEETINGS The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as follows: Date Telephone Number Bridge # Passcode May 13, 2005 1-916-356-2663 3 438-6509 All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM US Pacific Time. Meeting agendas are typically distributed seven days before each Open Forum. Minutes are typically distributed within seven days of the corresponding meeting. When calling into the meeting, provide the bridge number and passcode at the automated prompts. If asked by an operator, please request to join the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Michael Mirmak. For international dial-in numbers, please contact Michael Mirmak. NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. --------------------------------MINUTES----------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM Jon Burnett of Freescale introduced himself. He has used IBIS for awhile. He is interested in challenges with high speed serial drivers and in switching noise. He is trying to minimize the level of SPICE support provided by Freescale. CALL FOR PATENTS Syed Huq called for any patents or pending patents related to the IBIS Version 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, or ICM 1.0 specifications. No patents were declared. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Syed Huq reported that he received an update from GEIA. There are now 25 paid members, with 7 outstanding payments from the membership list. Bob Ross and Syed will follow up with these companies. Marvell is now a new member officially. The 2004 budget summary was also released. The IBIS Committee made a profit of $76 on $28,072 of revenue and $27,996 of expenditures. The extra money does not carry over into 2005. REVIEW OF MINUTES AND ARS Syed Huq reviewed the minutes of the April 1, 2005 IBIS Open Forum teleconference. The minutes of the meeting were approved without changes. PRESS AND WEB PAGE UPDATES Syed Huq reported that AMD and Agere have been added to the roster listing and logos will be added to the poster shortly. Bob Ross reported that the April 11 EETimes featured several articles that mentioned using IBIS models. The articles said that many companies still are using IBIS for modeling gigabit technologies. NEW MODELS AVAILABLE, LIBRARY UPDATE No update. MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS Syed Huq reported that he will be chairing the meetings through the end of May while Michael Mirmak is on sabbatical. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES None. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION Bob Ross reported that all the Mentor Graphics addresses were changed when the Mentor outgoing mail address was changed. Everything is running smoothly. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS Bob Ross mentioned again about the 9th IEEE Workshop on Signal Propagation on Interconnects May 10-13, 2005. C. Kumar is scheduled in Session 9. His talk is entitled "Behavior MacroModels Using Circuit Templates." More information about the workshop can be found at the link below: http://www.spi.uni-hannover.de/ SUMMITS Bob Ross noted that pictures from the IBIS Summit meeting in Munich and the JEITA meeting in Japan are now uploaded in the Summit links. - DAC IBIS Summit, Tuesday, June 14, 2005, Anaheim, CA Bob Ross reported that DAC will be held in Anaheim, California from June 13-17, 2005. John Angulo reported that the process of reserving the room has started. He is reserving a room for about 25 people. John is waiting to hear back about menu options, etc. Bob Ross mentioned that the first call for papers needs to be sent out next week. There will be no booth. The IBIS Summit meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, June 14. DAC has a free day on Monday. This is the election of officers meeting as well. Syed Huq will be the main contact for this summit. - DesignCon East IBIS Summit DesignCon East will be held in Worcester, Massachusetts from September 19-21, 2005. September 19 will be the IBIS Summit. IBIS will be an associate sponsor. We are presuming that SiSoft will be handling the local organizational logistics. Sponsorship opportunities for DAC and DesignCon East are still available, with sponsors receiving free mentions in the minutes, agenda, and other announcements. IBIS ANSI BALLOT STATUS No update. S2IBIS3 STATUS Bob Ross reported no new update. The executable has been uploaded. S2IBIS3 V1.0 executables can be downloaded from: http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/s2ibis3/s2ibis3.htm IBIS VERSION 4.1 PARSER STATUS Bob Ross reported that the executables have been uploaded that now include the BUG87 fix, and the source code has been sent out. Bob asked whether we should be raising the price of the parser source code license to $2500 from $2084 for new licensees. The original PO commitment was for a price not to exceed $2500. More discussion can ensue on this later. ICM SPECIFICATION AND PARSER STATUS Bob Ross summarized that Kelly Green had developed the parser under a GNU license. This license is not conducive to use of the source code by EDA software companies. Kelly has turned over the license to the IBIS committee. It has been proposed to offer a paid license option of $1000. Bob proposed that a vote occur at the next meeting on the parser fee. IBIS QUALITY COMMITTEE Mike Labonte reported that the IBIS Quality document's final items were reviewed in the last meeting. A few action items were made. One action item is to get feedback on the document from model makers. The last meeting was April 15 and the next meeting is May 3. Bob Ross established a temporary quality committee link on eda.org. This took care of an issue with the site being hosted by SiSoft. Once the quality document is approved, it will by officially linked on the IBIS eda.org website. The link is at: http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/quality_wip/ IBIS MODEL REVIEW COMMITTEE No update. FUTURES AND COOKBOOK COMMITTEES Syed Huq reported that there was a meeting yesterday. Bob Ross said that the cookbook was discussed extensively. The cookbook should be completed near the end of May when Michael Mirmak returns. Arpad Muranyi will be adding more info on pre-emphasis and differential C_comp modeling. Several BIRDs were also discussed. The next meeting will be May 5. Recent committee material is stored at: http://www.ibis-information.org/futures/ NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES None to report. BIRD94.1: CLARIFICATIONS ON [DIFF PIN] PARAMETERS Arpad Muranyi has not heard any comments since the last meeting. He is waiting for any comments for or against so that a vote can be scheduled. Bob Ross mentioned that he would like to review the BIRD further. Bob and Arpad discussed their interpretations of NA in the specification. They disagree on the meanings of NA in different sections of the IBIS specification. This issue will be discussed more offline. BIRD95.4: POWER INTEGRITY ANALYSIS USING IBIS Syed Huq mentioned that the BIRD was sent to the reflector on the 19th for review. The [R Equiv], [L Equiv], [C Equiv], and [G Equiv] keywords were removed in this version, because these parasitics can be described using the series keyword. Terminators will not be supported in this BIRD. ECL and Open Drain drivers were now mentioned in the BIRD. John Angulo noted that there is a shift in focus of the BIRD from the buffer level to the component level. Syed believes that this is the right approach, especially until ICM is linked into IBIS. John commented that he would like to see a description in the BIRD changed to say power "node" instead of power "pin" when describing the [Series Current] measurement. Bob Ross and John will discuss this offline. Syed would like to schedule a vote at the next meeting. BIRD97: GATE MODULATION EFFECT Arpad Muranyi has corrected an equation in the BIRD. Bob Ross would like to work with Arpad offline to clean up some of the descriptions. Arpad plans to release a revised version BIRD97.1. IBISCHK4 BUG STATUS Bob Ross reported that there are no new BUGs. There are still four BUGs outstanding. Two BUGs are very minor and could probably be closed out easily. The other two BUGs would need a parser developer to take care of them. ICMCHK1 BUG STATUS No new BUGs to report. NEW TECHNICAL ISSUES Bob Ross asked for any comments on the pending ICM 1.1 specification. Syed Huq questioned if anyone was aware of model developers trying to use the ICM specification. NEXT MEETING The next IBIS Open Forum teleconference will be held May 13, 2005 from 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM US Pacific Time. The meeting will be chaired by Syed Huq. A vote is scheduled for BIRD95.4 and for whether to establish the ICM commercial usage license fee of $1,000. ============================================================================ NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Michael Mirmak (916) 356-4261, Fax: (916) 377-1046 michael.mirmak@intel.com Senior Analog Engineer, Intel Corporation FM6-45 1900 Prairie City Rd. Folsom, CA 95630 VICE CHAIR: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 SECRETARY: Randy Wolff (208) 363-1764, Fax: (208) 368-3475 rrwolff@micron.com Simulation Engineer, Micron Technology, Inc. 8000 S. Federal Way Mail Stop: 1-711 Boise, ID 83707-0006 LIBRARIAN: Lance Wang (978) 262-6685, Fax: (978) 262-6363 lwang@cadence.com Senior Member, Technical Staff, Cadence Design Systems, Inc. 270 Billerica Road Chelmsford, MA 01824 WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 POSTMASTER: Bob Ross (503) 246-8048, Fax : (503) 239-4400 bob@teraspeed.com Staff Scientist, Teraspeed Consulting Group 10238 SW Lancaster Road Portland, OR 97219 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the GEIA Legal Guides and GEIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. 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