EIA IBIS Open Forum Minutes Meeting Date: December 21, 2007 GEIA STANDARDS BALLOT VOTING STATUS See last page of the minutes for the voting status of all member companies. VOTING MEMBERS AND 2007 PARTICIPANTS Agilent Ian Dodd, Radek Biernacki, Saliou Dieye, Riccardo Giacometti, Quanli Li, Mike Resso, Chengming Ren, Dong Wei, Tim Wu, Xindong Xue, Nianmin Zhang, Jianping Zhu, Takahiro Sato AMD Nam Nguyen*, Tadashi Arai Ansoft Corporation Haiqiang Ding, Baolong Li, Ying Liu Applied Simulation Technology (Fred Balistreri) Apple Computer (Bill Cornelius) ARM (Niray Patel) Cadence Design Systems [Lance Wang], C. Kumar, Hemant Shah, Patrick dos Santos, Ambrish Varma, Shangli Wu, Lanbing Chen, Jianwei Hu, Jacob Lai, Yubao Meng, Jian Peng, Ke (Coco) Xu, Liu Zheng, Norikazu Takada, Yukio Masuko, Terry Jernberg, Ray Komow Cisco Systems Syed Huq, Tram Bui, AbdulRahman Rafiq, Huyen Pham, Darja Padilla, Mike LaBonte*, Paul Ruddy, Gurpreet Hundal, Luis Boluna, Ehsan Kabir, Jehyoung Lee, Susmita Mutsuddy, Eddie Wu, Bill (Qinghua) Chen Ericsson Anders Ekholm*, Ole Segtum, Peng Fu Freescale Jon Burnett Green Streak Programs Lynne Green Hitachi ULSI Systems Kazuyoshi Shoji, Shinmei Hirano Huawei Technologies ChunXing Huang*, Bob He, Tao Guan*, Peng Hu, Xiangzhong Jiang, Meidan Liu, Haiyan Yu IBM Michael Sorna, Adge Hawes, Kevin Kramer, Wei Wang Intel Corporation Michael Mirmak*, [Arpad Muranyi], Lili Deng, Haifeng (Bill) Gong, Tao Hu, Karen Kang, Fanghui Li, Maoxin Yin, James Zhou IO Methodology Lance Wang*, Esther Gao, Nancy Peng, Benny Yan, Xinjun Zhang, Wei Zhu LSI Frank Gasparik*, Kim Helliwell, Dinh Tran, Praveen Soora, Brian Burdick* Mentor Graphics John Angulo, Arpad Muranyi*, [Ian Dodd], Eric Rongere, Stephane Rousseau, Bill Hargin, Patrick Carrier, Vivian Pan, Tao Wang, Lifu You, Kenji Kushima, Masahiro Nakajima Micron Technology Randy Wolff*, Pavani Jella Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH Eckhard Lenski*, Flavio Maggioni, Roberto Preatoni, Umberto Gatti, Massimo Ceppi Panasonic Atsuji Ito Samtec (Corey Kimble) Signal Integrity Software Barry Katz, Douglas Burns, Mike Steinberger, Walter Katz, Todd Westerhoff* Sigrity Sam Chitwood, Sandy Dung, Raymond Chen, Xianfeng Li, Tao (Helen) Xu STMicroelectronics (Anil Kalra), Antonio Girardi, Giacomo Bernardi, Roberto Izzi, Akhilesh Chandra, Davide Tonietto, Essaid Bensoudane Synopsys Ted Mido, Xuefeng Chen, Changlei Zhang Teraspeed Consulting Group Bob Ross*, Tom Dagostino Texas Instruments Otis Gorley, Richard Ward, Bonnie Baker Toshiba Yoshihiro Hamaji, Yasumasa Kondo, Atshshi Osaki Nonyasu Yoshikawa, Toshihiro Tsajimura Xilinx Bruce Bandeli, David Banas ZTE Songrui Chen, Xianhui Hu, Wei Jia, Dongfeng Sun Changjun Wang, Ying Xiong, Shenglong Yang Yanfeng Yu, Xiaojun Zhou, Shunlin Zhu Zuken Michael Schaeder, Ralf Bruening, John Berrie, Shigeru Hayashi, Hirohiko Matsuwawa OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2007 74ze Engineering Linc Jepson AcconSys David Lan, Suny Li, Jianfeng Tan, Jiangtao Wu, Frank Xiao Alcatel Shanghai Bell Wei Li, Lifan Sun Altera Hui Liu, Zhe Lin, Ravindra Gali, Salman Jiva Apache Design Solutions (Ji Zheng) Applied Telisis, Inc. (ATI) Vladimar Mandrusov ATE Service Corporation Yutaka Honda Canon Seiji Hayashi, Shoji Matsumoto, Tatsuo Nishino, Sakuragi Takamasa, Haruka Watanabe, Nobuaki Yamashita Cavium Networks Johann Nittmann CEC Huada Electronic Design Weiwei Liu China Integrated Circuit Jingcheng Luo ChipX Jay Hidy, Oren Dvir Cybernet Systems [Kazuhiki Kusunoki], Masahito Kobayashi, Junko Kuriyama Datang Mobile Fanjie Meng, Hongying Li, Hongwei Wang EDN China Frank Yao EE Times Japan Norihiro Satsukawa EFM Ekkehard Miersch EMC Technology Michael Liu, Feng Lu, Changzheng Yang Enterasys Robert Haller Extreme Networks Kevin Ko Force10 Networks Robert Badal Free Electron Software Al Davis Fujitsu Limited Kouichiro Asoh, Tetsuya Inoue, Toshiro Sato, Fujimori Shogo, Wasaki Tosaka GEIA (Chris Denham) Gnovo Technologies Harris Ma Hangzhou H3C Technologies Chunbao Yan Hewlett Packard Shafiq Rahman Huawei 3Com Junjun Cui, Zhenyu Liu, Jun Mao, Bao Wang, Kai Xie, Haitao Zhang IMECAS Yunfeng Wang IVIS Co. Hiroyuki Mashima Infineon Christian Sporrer Japan Aviation Electronics Hiroaki Ikeda Industries JEITA Atsushi Ishikawa Juniper Networks Raul Lozano Kawasaki Microlelectronics Hiroyuki Sato, Takashi Kawahara Leventhal Design Roy Leventhal LHWT Microelectronics Jiahui Wang Lynguent [Andrew Levy] Motorola Hong Chen, Haiying Jiang, Daniel Tang National Institute of Applied Etienne Sicard Science (INSA) National Instruments Lee Maixman Netlogic Eric Hsu NEC Electronics Corporation Takeshi Watanabe, Hock Seow, Huy Tran, Itsuki Yamada NESA Edward Sayre Northrop Grumman Dusan Radosevic Nortel Networks Jingxin Bian, Feng Shi Nuova Systems Zhiping Yang, Lin Shen NVIDIA Corporation Jing (Jane) Zhang NXP [H N Sudarshan] Optimal Corporation Marc Kowalski Politecnico di Torino Igor Stievano, Michelangelo Bandinu Renesas Technology Takuji Komeda Samsung Sang-Soo Park Sedona International Joe Socha Sharp Tetsuo Iwaki Shizu Technology Zuofu Qi Siemens AG [Eckhard Lenski], Manfred Maurer Sony Corporation Toshiro Honda, Keisuke Matsunami Shu Zi Tai He Chunyu Zhao Sun Microelectronics Leon Yang Tiburon Design Automation Patrick O’Halloran Via Technologies Jimmy Hsu White Electronics Designs John Perez Xyratex Paul Levin, Joseph Chan Zuken Support and Service Seikou Go, Tomotaka Unose In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. UPCOMING MEETINGS The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as follows: Date Telephone Number Meeting ID January 11, 2008 1-866-432-9903 121838287 All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM US Pacific Time. Meeting agendas are typically distributed seven days before each Open Forum. Minutes are typically distributed within seven days of the corresponding meeting. When calling into the meeting, press 1 to attend the meeting, then follow the prompts to enter the meeting ID. For new, local international dial-in numbers, please reference the bridge numbers provided by Cisco Systems at the following link: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM No new participants. CALL FOR PATENTS Michael Mirmak called for any patents or pending patents related to the IBIS Version 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, or ICM 1.1 specifications. No patents were declared. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Michael Mirmak reported that the organization stands at 29 paid members (corrected to 32 in later discussions), with Huawei and ARM having joined IBIS. Budget issues will be discussed later in the meeting. We have a small budget surplus this year, but dues for participation in GEIA will go up about 25% next year. REVIEW OF MINUTES AND ARS Michael Mirmak called for comment regarding the minutes of the November 30, 2007 IBIS Open Forum teleconference. Michael noted a misspelling of Nvidia is several meeting sets beginning with the Asian IBIS Summit minutes. Randy Wolff noted a change to comments made by Eckhard Lenski about DATE planning. Eckhard asked to add that the conflict with the PCB symposium should not conflict with DATE planning this year. The minutes were approved with the noted changes. WEB PAGE UPDATES Michael Mirmak reported for Syed Huq that Syed made a few minor tweaks to the poster and membership pages to correctly list official members. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION Bob Ross reported that we had a down time due to a server needing to be restarted. This delayed the agenda when sent to the mailing list. MODEL LIBRARY UPDATE No update. PRESS UPDATE Bob Ross reported seeing a new book on power integrity with some minor references to IBIS. The book is “Power Integrity Modeling and Design for Semiconductors and Systems” by Madhavan Swaminathan and Ege Engin. More information on the book may be found at: http://www.prc.gatech.edu/books/powerintegrity/index.htm MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS None. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES Bob Ross requested that a brief update on Taiwan activities be added to the agenda. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS No major DASC issues to report. The DASC website may be found at: http://www.dasc.org/ No major issues that affect IBIS were brought up at the last DASC meeting. Michael Mirmak reported that the encryption study group’s proposal for IP protection was returned due to the need for clarification on the definition of IP. The IEEE DASC Study Group on Encryption web site is found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ip-encrypt/hm/ IEC APPROVAL ACTIVITIES Michael Mirmak noted that he called Dennis Brophy but has not received a return call. We may need to attend a TC93 committee meeting directly in order to bypass representation by Dennis Brophy. GEIA BUDGET ISSUES Michael Mirmak noted that we stand at 29 members. The budget for this year will close with a slight surplus. This will be spent to avoid losing the money by prepaying DesignCon summit expenses. Next year, we must be associated with a standardization body. So, we must pay membership in some organization that does standardization. GEIA dues are increasing next year. In order to maintain our organization and affiliation with GEIA, we must consider raising our dues to maintain accreditation. Bob Ross looked in more detail at the budget for the next year. He projects a profit of approximately $1927 this year. We have 28 full members and 4 half memberships (for 32 total). Next year, we would need 34 members and one parser payment to balance the budget with the increased dues, or 28 members at $900 each can balance the budget. Michael does not think we could achieve 34 members next year. There was a motion for call for vote on increasing membership dues to $900 for 2008. The motion passed with the following vote tally: AMD – yes Cisco – yes Ericsson – yes Huawei – yes Intel – yes IO Methodology – yes LSI – yes Mentor – yes Micron – yes Nokia – yes SiSoft – yes Teraspeed - yes SUMMITS - Design Con Planning DesignCon 2008 will be held February 4-7, 2008 at the Santa Clara convention center. The IBIS Summit is now scheduled for Thursday, February 7, 2008. Syed Huq is the main contact for the event. The meeting room is inside the conference center. A second call for papers has been sent out. Bob Ross noted that a registration link is available through DesignCon, and there is a discount available for registration. If signing up through the DesignCon site, please also let Syed Huq know that you are attending. Cisco is officially sponsoring this summit, though other sponsors are encouraged. - DATE Planning The DATE conference will be in Munich, Germany March 10-14, 2008. The Summit is scheduled for Thursday, March 13 from 8:30am – 12:30pm. Bob Ross is still confirming the date so as not to conflict with the PCB technology seminar. - Other Summits Bob Ross noted that discussions continue regarding holding a summit in Taiwan. He is still seeking additional local contacts from vendors. He has three lined up so far. Sponsorship opportunities for the DesignCon and DATE IBIS summits are available, with sponsors receiving free mentions in the minutes, agenda, and other announcements. Contact the IBIS Board for further details. IBIS QUALITY TASK GROUP Mike LaBonte reported that the group discussed [Receiver Thresholds] at the last meeting, mostly to understand its usage and history. The next meeting on January 8 will continue on that subject. The Quality Task Group checklist and other documentation can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/quality_wip/ IBIS MODEL REVIEW TASK GROUP No update. ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY MODELING TASK GROUP Arpad Muranyi reported that recent discussion is about differential keyword enhancements. EDA vendors received an AR to check on preferences of how to handle changes to differential keywords. There is some support for cleaning up the specification, but no consensus yet on how much to support old methods of handling differential keywords. At the next meeting on January 8, the group will discuss this further. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/macromodel_wip/ AD HOC TASK GROUPS (INTERCONNECT) Michael Mirmak reported no major update. We will be discussing the Touchstone 2.0 document in this meeting. There are small changes to ICM and ICM to IBIS linking still to be discussed. Arpad Muranyi asked if Michael would still like to discuss ICM to IBIS linking in the ATM task group. Michael agreed with this, and it was decided to keep discussion of specific ICM issues in the AD Hoc task group. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda.org/ibis/adhoc/interconnect/ NEW ISSUES None. TOUCHSTONE 2.0 INTRODUCTION Michael Mirmak presented an introduction to the Touchstone 2.0 specification. Touchstone 2.0 is a revision to the original proprietary specification. It maintains backward compatibility with the original Touchstone while adding needed features. The new specification makes it easier to describe both power planes and signal lines. The changes also make the format easier to use and to integrate with ICM. Major changes from Touchstone include adding optional per-port reference impedances, adding explicit keywords for number of ports and frequencies in the file, adding explicit version control, removing limits on the maximum number of ports, removing normalization for non-S-parameter data sets, and adding support for upper- and lower-half matrices. Key concepts that were not included are support for mixed-mode parameter expressions, support for complex reference impedances, and support for frequency-dependant reference impedances. Michael noted that we need to decide if a parser is required. Also, he asked for comments from the SI-list reflector and received two questions about mixed mode support and the unusual ordering for S12 and S21 in 2-port networks. The review and comment period will be through February at a minimum. A call for vote and GEIA balloting will commence once all major issues are closed. Lance Wang asked for clarification on how original Touchstone files are supported. Bob Ross noted that many decisions were made in the update with respect to maintaining compatibility with the original Touchstone. Michael plans to discuss the SI-list questions during the next teleconference. IBISCHK4 BUG STATUS No new BUGs have been filed. ICMCHK1 BUG STATUS Michael Mirmak reported that there is one BUG, but it will not be fixed until the next version of the parser. The next release of the parser will come out once IIRD9 is closed. NEW TECHNICAL ISSUES None. NEXT MEETING The next IBIS Open Forum teleconference will be held January 11, 2008 from 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM US Pacific Time. ======================================================================== NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Michael Mirmak (916) 356-4261, Fax: (916) 377-3788 michael.mirmak@intel.com Server Platform Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Corporation FM5-239 1900 Prairie City Rd. Folsom, CA 95630 VICE CHAIR: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 SECRETARY: Randy Wolff (208) 363-1764, Fax: (208) 368-3475 rrwolff@micron.com SI Modeling Manager, Micron Technology, Inc. 8000 S. Federal Way Mail Stop: 01-711 Boise, ID 83707-0006 LIBRARIAN: Lance Wang (978) 633-3388 lwang@iometh.com President / CEO, IO Methodology, Inc. PO Box 2099 Acton, MA 01720 WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 POSTMASTER: Bob Ross (503) 246-8048, Fax : (503) 239-4400 bob@teraspeed.com Staff Scientist, Teraspeed Consulting Group 10238 SW Lancaster Road Portland, OR 97219 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the GEIA Legal Guides and GEIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. 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GEIA STANDARDS BALLOT VOTING STATUS I/O Buffer Information Specification Committee (IBIS) |Organization |Interest |Standard|October |Novembe|Novembe|Decembe| | |Category |s Ballot|12, 2007|r 2, |r 30, |r 21, | | | |Voting | |2007 |2007 |2007 | | | |Status | | | | | |Advanced Micro |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Devices | | | | | | | |Agilent |User |Inactive| | |( | | |Technologies | | | | | | | |Ansoft |User |Inactive| | | | | |Apple Computer |User |Inactive| | | | | |Applied |User |Inactive| | | | | |Simulation | | | | | | | |Technology | | | | | | | |ARM |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Cadence Design |User |Active |( |( |( | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Cisco Systems |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Ericsson |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Freescale |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Green Streak |General |Inactive| | | | | |Programs |Interest | | | | | | |Hitachi ULSI |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Huawei |User |Inactive| | | |( | |Technologies | | | | | | | |IBM |Producer |Inactive| | |( | | |Intel Corp. |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |IO Methodology |User |Active |( | |( |( | |LSI |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Mentor Graphics |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Micron |Producer |Active |( |( | |( | |Technology | | | | | | | |Nokia Siemens |Producer |Active | | |( |( | |Networks | | | | | | | |Panasonic |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Samtec |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Signal Integrity|User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Software | | | | | | | |Sigrity |User |Inactive| | |( | | |STMicroelectroni|Producer |Active |( |( |( | | |cs | | | | | | | |Synopsys |User |Inactive| | | | | |Teraspeed |General |Active |( |( |( |( | |Consulting |Interest | | | | | | |Texas |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Instruments | | | | | | | |Toshiba |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Xilinx |Producer |Active |( |( |( | | |ZTE |User |Inactive| | | | | |Zuken GmbH |User |Inactive| | | | | Criteria for Member in good standing: • Must attend two consecutive meetings to establish voting membership • Membership dues current • Must not miss two consecutive Meetings Interest categories associated with GEIA ballot voting are: • Users - Members that utilize electronic equipment to provide services to an end user. • Producers - Members that supply electronic equipment. • General Interest - Members are neither producers nor users. This category includes, but is not limited to, Government, regulatory agencies (state and federal), researchers, other organizations and associations, and/or consumers.