EIA IBIS Open Forum Meeting Date: November 21, 2008 VOTING MEMBERS AND 2008 PARTICIPANTS Actel (Prabhu Mohan) Agilent Technologies Sanjeev Gupta, Radek Biernacki, Amolak Badesha Fangyi Rao, [Ian Dodd], Yutao Hu, Vuk Borich Nobutaka Arai, Ludwig Eichingner, Cheng-ming Ren, Xuliang Yuan, Jianping Zhu AMD Nam Nguyen*, Tadashi Arai Ansoft Corporation Steve Pytel, Ricardo Teliuteuesh, Dan Dvorscak, Steele Deng, Donny Hou, Baolong Li, Davis Yan, Long Yang, Song Zheng, Kazuhiro Kadota, Mitsuyo Kawata, Toru Watanabe Apple Computer (Bill Cornelius) Applied Simulation Technology (Fred Balistreri) ARM (Nirav Patel) Cadence Design Systems Terry Jernberg, Hemant Shah, Ambrish Varma [C. Kumar], Brad Griffin, Zhen Mu, Lanbing Chen, Wenliang Dai, Feng Li, Shirley Li, Jinbai Liu, Ping Liu, Yabao Meng, Jian (John) Peng, Jain Shan, Hui Wang, Yitong Wen, Yitong Wu, Dingru Xiao, Ke (Coco) Xu, Feng Yu, Rong Zhang, Wenjiang Zhang, Alex Zhao, George Zhou, Yukio Masuko, Morihiro Nakazato, Norikazu Takada Cisco Systems Syed Huq, Mike LaBonte*, AbdulRahman (Abbey) Rafiq Huyen Pham, Emily Yao, Susmita Mutsuddy John Fisher, Paul Ruddy, Jun Li, Jianmin Zhang Luis Boluna, Kelvin Qiu, Jane Lim, Ilyoung Park Rick Brooks, Chris Padilla, Ehsan Kabir, Jin (Leo) Hu, Weifeng Shu, Xinghai (Sean) Tang, Huihui (Iris) Zhao Ericsson Anders Ekholm* Freescale Jon Burnett Green Streak Programs Lynne Green Hitachi ULSI Systems Kazuyoshi Shoji, Shinmei Hirano, Shinji Itano, Sadahiro Nonoyama, Hiroshi Uematsu Huawei Technologies Tao Guan*, Xiaoqing Dong, Yu Chen, Jing Fu, Peng Huang, Jinjun Li, Bo Liu, Mongfang Lv, Shaokun Shen, Victor Wang, Shisheng Wu, Qilin Xu, Zhenlong Xu, Hang Ya, Zhou Yang, Wen Yu, Cheng Zhang, Gezhi Zhang, Yuehui Zhu IBM Adge Hawes* Infineon Technologies AG Christian Sporrer Intel Corporation Michael Mirmak*, Rich Mellitz, Wei-hsing Huang Vishram Pandit, Lili Deng, Haifeng Gong, Fanghui Li, Wenjie Mao, Yang Qu, Yiunglei Ren, Wayne Tsuchimoto, Yang Wu, Maoxin Yin, Xinjun Zhang, James Zhou, Nanditha Rao LSI [Frank Gasparik], Brian Burdick*, [Kim Helliwell] Marvell Semiconductor Jane Liu, Michael Wang, Yuyang Wang, Mentor Graphics Arpad Muranyi*, John Angulo, Minggang Hou, Jane Liao, Xuefeng Liu Micron Technology Randy Wolff* Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH Eckhard Lenski*, Klaus Huebner, Katja Koller, Xianyun Wang Samtec Jim Nadolny, Justin McCalister Signal Integrity Software Mike Steinberger, Walter Katz, Todd Westerhoff* Doug Burns, Mike Mayer, Barry Katz Sigrity Sam Chitwood, Brad Brim, Ben Franklin Kristopher Stytte, Raymond Chen, Jiangsong Hu, Xianfeng Li, Tao (Helen) Xu Synopsys Ted Mido, Xuefeng Chen, Wenyun Gu, Jinghua Huang, Deng Shi Teraspeed Consulting Group Bob Ross*, Tom Dagostino, Al Neves Texas Instruments Richard Ward, Pavani Jella Toshiba (I.S. Corporation) Yasumasa Kondo, Noriyasu Yoshikawa, Yoshihiro Hamaji, Atsushi Osaki Xilinx David Banas*, Ajay Shah, Suzanne Yiu Mustansir Fanaswalla Zuken Michael Schaeder, Ralf Bruening, Shigeru Hayashi, Hirohiko Matsuwawa ZTE Huifeng Chen, Xiaolin Chen, Jinku Guan, Hui Jiang, Nan Jiang, Shiju Sui, Zhiwei Yang, Shunlin Zhu OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2008 3M Kylin Chen, Shiang Yao Aeroflex Metelics David Nguyen AET Mikio Kiyono Aica Kogyo Akihiro Tanaka Alcatel-Lucent Haibo Wang Alcatel-Shell Weiping Chen, Feng Ji Altera Ravindra Gali, Jing Wu, John Oh, Hui Fu ATE Service Corporation Hideaki Endo, Yutaka Honda, Kevin Iida, Hiroyuik Itabashi, Kenji Kagawa Avago Technologies Minh Quach, Sari Tocco Bayside Design Elliot Nahas, Kevin Roselle Canon Seiji Hayashi, Shoji Matsumoto, Takamasa Sakuragi, Haruka Watanabe Celestica Ihsan Erdin, Shuxu Bao, Ricky Liu, Gloria Wang, Shengyu Wu, Molly Xu, Harrison Xue, Camilla Zhang, Van Zhu Cybernet Systems Golden Qian, Bill Wang, James Wang, David Xu Junko Kuriyama, Ryo Nakayama, Takayuki Tsuzura, Masato Yanagisawa ECL Advantage Thomas Iddings EFM Ekkehard Miersch Elma Bustronic Michael Munroe Exar Helen Nguyen Feng Hao Shanghai Information Zhengchang Gu Fiberhome Telecommunications Qian (Andy) Liao, Juan Liu, Elliotte Wan, Qi Zheng Flextronics Hasnain Syed Fujitsu Advanced Technology Shogo Fujimori, Hikoyuki Kawata, Toshiro Sato Fujitsu Limited (Digital Process) Masakatsu Kinjo, Kazumasa Kobayashi GEIA (Chris Denham) Golden Bridge Networks Saman Sadigh Hisense Electronic Haishi Hu Huawei-3Com Wei Yang ICT Solutions Steven Wong IDT Newave Zhiguang Li Interface Technologies Dan Waterloo Inventec Corporation Leonardo Huang, Zhong Peng IO Methodology Lance Wang*, Zhi (Benny) Yan, Li (Kathy) Chen, Seana Tong, Salvia Yu, Zhangmin Zhong, Edwin Zhu JEITA Atsushi Ishikawa, Hideo Kogure Kawasaki Microelectronics Hajime Kinugasa, Hiroyuki Sato KEI Systems Shinichi Maeda Magma DA Anand Ramalingam Meds IC Solutions Xinhua Zhang Nanjing Nari-Relays Tao Wang, Yu Xia NEC Takeshi Watanabe, Itsuki Yamada NetLogic Microsystems Eric Hsu North Carolina State University Paul Franzon Nokia Ali Arsian Nuova Systems Zhiping Yang Nvidia Corporation Baal Yang, Tibet Zhao Prentice Hall Bernard Goodwin Physware Marc Kowalski Politecnio di Torino Igor Stievano Qimonda AG Md Morshed Alam Heial, Suhas Jawale Radisys Ling Li, Guo Tang Ricoh Yuji Maeno Shanghai University Shipeng Liu Siemens AG Manfred Maurer, Annika Woehner Simberian Yuriy Shlepnev SimLab Software GmbH Heiko Grubrich Sony Toshiro Honda, Iguchi Yasuhiko Sony EMC Corporation Takeshi Osanai TDK Yoshikazu Fujishiro Tektronix Steve Corey, Xin Wu TietoEnator GmbH Heinz-Hartmut Ibowski Trident Multimedia Technologies Xiagin Cao, Jeffery He Tyco Electronics Chad Morgan Universal Scientific Industrial Lurker Li, Spenser Tang VeriSilicon Microelectronics Qiang Chen, Steven Gou, Zhiying Yuan Vertical Circuits Mark Egbers Victor Corporation of Japan (JVC) Manabu Matsumoto Winwin Corporation Haiphe Lau, Linfa Liu Xsigo Systems Robert Bada Zuken Support and Service Seikou Go, Yoshiaki Nishi, Tomotaka Unose, Yin Yi Independent Guy de Burgh, Ardy Forouhar, Dave Galloi Kazuhiko Kusunoki In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. UPCOMING MEETINGS The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as follows: Date Telephone Number Meeting ID December 12, 2008 1-866-432-9903 ??? All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM US Pacific Time. Meeting agendas are typically distributed seven days before each Open Forum. Minutes are typically distributed within seven days of the corresponding meeting. When calling into the meeting, press 1 to attend the meeting, then follow the prompts to enter the meeting ID. For new, local international dial-in numbers, please reference the bridge numbers provided by Cisco Systems at the following link: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM No new members. Note that Bob Ross took charge of running the meeting, as Michael Mirmak’s voice was almost gone. CALL FOR PATENTS Michael Mirmak called for any patents or pending patents related to the IBIS Version 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, or ICM 1.1 specifications. No patents were declared. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Bob Ross reported that we stand at 32 members. We have some extra money to spend before the end of the year. Our budget for next year assumes $900/member in dues. There is a 5% increase over last year for GEIA dues. REVIEW OF MINUTES AND ARS Bob Ross called for comments regarding the minutes of the October 31, 2008 IBIS Open Forum teleconference. The minutes were approved without changes. WEB PAGE UPDATES Bob Ross reported that the events page was updated to move the Asian IBIS summits off the top of the list. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION Bob Ross reported that everything is working normally. MODEL LIBRARY UPDATE No update. PRESS UPDATE Bob Ross noted that there is a Japanese blog that mentions the Japan IBIS summit meeting. The blog can be found at: http://arap.way-nifty.com/siblog/cat2412256/index.html MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS No update. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES None. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS - DASC No update. The DASC file and e-mail archive may be found at: http://www.dasc.org/ - P1735 Encryption No update. The IEEE DASC Study Group on Encryption web reflector archives are found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ip-encrypt/hm/ - GEIA/ITAA Issues Michael Mirmak noted the GEIA is requesting updates on all official contact emails and addresses for current members for invoicing use. Bob Ross mentioned that there is a pending merger in the news between ITAA and AEA. We may have a new parent organization within 2-4 months. We also need to redesign our IBIS logo. Chris Denham advised that we get professional help for the design, and we should hold off until any mergers are completed unless we want to leave all names off of the logo. Randy Wolff suggested that we have an open design contest to allow multiple submittals. Bob suggested we pay between $500 - $1000 for the design. IEC APPROVAL ACTIVITIES Randy Wolff reported that he plans to contact Victor Berman again to ask for an update on the IEC September meeting. Michael Mirmak updated that Chris Denham has not talked with Victor about copyrights. SUMMIT STATUS - Asian IBIS Summit (China) Review The China summit was held November 11, 2008 in Shanghai at the Shanghai Mart Convention Center. Huawei Technologies, Agilent Technologies, Ansoft, Cadence Design, Cybernet Systems, Intel, Mentor Graphics, SiSoft, Sigrity, Synopsys and ZTE Corporation were the official sponsors. Bob Ross noted that is was a successful meeting with 142 attendees. Minutes have been sent out already and the presentations are uploaded to the IBIS website. Vendor tables were well attended. Randy Wolff and Todd Westerhoff commented on the wide variety of presentations. Bob mentioned that for a summit next year, we will need to raise some more funds. It would probably be held in Shenzhen or Shanghai. - Asian IBIS Summit (Japan) Review The Japan summit was held in Tokyo at JEITA headquarters on November 14, 2008. Official sponsors were JEITA, Agilent Technologies, Ansoft, ATE (Sigrity), Cadence Design Systems, Cybernet Systems, Fujitsu and Zuken. Bob noted there were 61 attendees. There was good discussion and more time for questions than at the China summit. There were vendor tables this year, and they were successful. There were some different presentations than at the China summit. The large meeting room in the new JEITA headquarters could handle more attendees. - DesignCon Planning The DesignCon event is scheduled for February 2-5, 2009 at the Santa Clara Convention Center in Santa Clara, California. Thursday, February 5, 2009 is tentatively scheduled for the summit. Michael Mirmak noted that all contracts have been signed. We are in the conference center, but in a different meeting room than last year. We are still looking for co- sponsorship for the meeting. Syed Huq will handle the local arrangements. We will work with the same food vendor. We will have a booth, but we may need to pay for a few items associated with this. Todd Westerhoff is on the DesignCon programming committee, and he commented that everything is going according to plan. Sponsorship opportunities for all upcoming IBIS summits are available, with sponsors receiving free mentions in the minutes, agenda, and other announcements. Contact the IBIS Board for further details. IBIS QUALITY TASK GROUP Mike LaBonte reported that the task group has two more checks to review related to [Ramp]. Some people put more emphasis on importance of [Ramp] than others. There were two model quality related presentations given at the summits. The group may want a discussion of these after the [Ramp] discussion is finished. The Quality Task Group checklist and other documentation can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/quality_wip/ IBIS MODEL REVIEW TASK GROUP No update. ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY MODELING TASK GROUP Arpad Muranyi reported that the group is meeting again this week after a one week break. They are trying to summarize presentations related to C_comp improvements and decide if they should add more keywords to IBIS or look at other ways to handle it. He encouraged attendance because these discussions are fundamental to the future direction of IBIS. Also, the group is making progress with Synopsys related to use of HSPICE syntax for an IBIS-SPICE language. They are still working through legal approvals. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/macromodel_wip/ AD HOC TASK GROUPS (INTERCONNECT) Bob Ross reported that the group is working on some suggestions for Touchstone improvement. They recently covered the topic of adding an information block section with the [Begin Information]/ [End Information] keywords. They also discussed a way of indicating network data and noise data within the file. They are looking at syntax issues with the keywords to improve ease of parsing. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda.org/ibis/adhoc/interconnect/ NEW ISSUES None. BIRD111.1: EXTENDED USAGE OF EXTERNAL SERIES COMPONENTS IN EBDS Bob Ross noted that he has had discussions with Michael Schaeder and Mike LaBonte, but no progress has been made yet. One presentation in the China summit included use of an EBD to model a differential net. Bob thinks the EBD language should support differential nets. He tested the parser and it already supports the BIRD111.1 proposals. IBISCHK5 PARSER STATUS Bob Ross reported that the parser committee is deciding if an IBIS 5.0 parser package would include some parsing of AMI files. There may be a donation of an existing parser from SiSoft for this purpose. The bid packet is in development. David Banas suggested adding to the list of deliverables a list of which sections of the IBIS Quality specification (IQS) are covered by the parser. A model developer needs to know which parts of the IQS are checked by the parser and which parts need to be checked subsequently. Mike LaBonte noted that the Quality task group is eliminating quality checks that duplicate what the parser already covers. With the new IQS checks, level 1 means that the model passes the parser. So, that level of quality is already covered as relates to the parser. The committee is looking at options including pay-as-you-go development to make sure critical items are funded first. IBISCHK4 BUG STATUS Bob Ross said that BUG101 was classified at the last meeting. The Quality committee is considering proposing a parser BUG (enhancement) to add checking of the dV portion of the [Ramp] data. The BUG report list is available at the link below: http://www.eda.org/ibis/bugs/ibischk/ ICMCHK1 BUG STATUS Bob Ross reported that John Angulo did look at the parser upgrade and is inserting test code for the change. A BUG limited the file extension size to 3 characters. John is having issues integrating the tests due to GNU licensing issues, so he may need some additional help. The new parser will be version 1.1.3 when released. Michael Mirmak stressed that there can be no GNU license unless it has a limited GPL license with it, because this affects use of the parser in commercial products. If the official parser can’t be fixed now, the fix could be privately noted to parser purchasers. The code could be released without a regression suite. Michael took the AR to inform parser purchasers of the new code. NEW ISSUES None. NEXT MEETING The next IBIS Open Forum teleconference will be held December 12, 2008 from 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM US Pacific Standard Time. ======================================================================== NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Michael Mirmak (916) 356-4261, Fax: (916) 377-3788 michael.mirmak@intel.com Server Platform Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Corporation FM5-239 1900 Prairie City Rd. Folsom, CA 95630 VICE CHAIR: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 SECRETARY: Randy Wolff (208) 363-1764, Fax: (208) 368-3475 rrwolff@micron.com SI Modeling Manager, Micron Technology, Inc. 8000 S. Federal Way Mail Stop: 01-711 Boise, ID 83707-0006 LIBRARIAN: Lance Wang (978) 633-3388 lwang@iometh.com President / CEO, IO Methodology, Inc. PO Box 2099 Acton, MA 01720 WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 huqs@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 POSTMASTER: Bob Ross (503) 246-8048, Fax : (503) 239-4400 bob@teraspeed.com Staff Scientist, Teraspeed Consulting Group 10238 SW Lancaster Road Portland, OR 97219 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the GEIA Legal Guides and GEIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. 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GEIA STANDARDS BALLOT VOTING STATUS I/O Buffer Information Specification Committee (IBIS) |Organization |Interest |Standard|October |Novembe|Novembe|Novembe| | |Category |s Ballot|31, 2008|r 11, |r 14, |r 21, | | | |Voting | |2008 |2008 |2008 | | | |Status | | | | | |Actel |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Advanced Micro |Producer |Active |( | |( |( | |Devices | | | | | | | |Agilent |User |Inactive| |( | | | |Technologies | | | | | | | |Ansoft |User |Active | |( |( | | |Apple Computer |User |Inactive| | | | | |Applied |User |Inactive| | | | | |Simulation | | | | | | | |Technology | | | | | | | |ARM |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Cadence Design |User |Active | |( |( | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Cisco Systems |User |Active |( |( | |( | |Ericsson |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Freescale |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Green Streak |General |Inactive| | | | | |Programs |Interest | | | | | | |Hitachi ULSI |Producer |Inactive| | |( | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Huawei |User |Inactive| |( | |( | |IBM |Producer |Inactive|( | | |( | |Infineon |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Technologies AG | | | | | | | |Intel Corp. |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |LSI |Producer |Inactive| | | |( | |Marvell |Producer |Inactive| |( | | | |Semiconductor | | | | | | | |Mentor Graphics |User |Active | |( | |( | |Micron |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Technology | | | | | | | |Nokia Siemens |Producer |Active |( |( | |( | |Networks | | | | | | | |Samtec |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Signal Integrity|User |Active | |( | |( | |Software | | | | | | | |Sigrity |User |Inactive| |( | | | |Synopsys |User |Inactive| |( | | | |Teraspeed |General |Active |( |( |( |( | |Consulting |Interest | | | | | | |Texas |Producer |Inactive|( | | | | |Instruments | | | | | | | |Toshiba |Producer |Inactive| | |( | | |Xilinx |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |ZTE |User |Inactive| |( | | | |Zuken |User |Inactive| | |( | | Criteria for Member in good standing: • Must attend two consecutive meetings to establish voting membership • Membership dues current • Must not miss two consecutive Meetings Interest categories associated with GEIA ballot voting are: • Users - Members that utilize electronic equipment to provide services to an end user. • Producers - Members that supply electronic equipment. • General Interest - Members are neither producers nor users. 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