IBIS Open Forum Minutes Meeting Date: June 26, 2009 VOTING MEMBERS AND 2009 PARTICIPANTS Actel (Prabhu Mohan) Agilent Technologies Yutao Hu, Fangyi Rao, Saliou Dieye AMD Nam Nguyen Ansoft Corporation Steve Pytel Apple Computer (Matt Herndon) Applied Simulation Technology (Fred Balistreri) ARM V. Muniswara Reddy Cadence Design Systems Terry Jernberg, Ambrish Varma Cisco Systems Luis Boluna, Tram Bui, Bill Chen, Syed Huq*, Mike LaBonte*, Pedo Miran Huyen Pham, AbdulRahman (Abbey) Rafiq, Ashwin Vasudevan, Zhiping Yang Ericsson Anders Ekholm Freescale Jon Burnett, Om Mandhama Green Streak Programs Lynne Green* Hitachi ULSI Systems (Kazuyoshi Shoji) Huawei Technologies Xiaoqing Dong, Chunxing Huang, Guan Tao IBM Adge Hawes* Infineon Technologies AG (Christian Sporrer) Intel Corporation Michael Mirmak*, Jon Powell, Sirisha Prayaga LSI Brian Burdick* Marvell Semiconductor (Itzik Peleg) Mentor Graphics Weston Beal, Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov, Zhen Mu, Arpad Muranyi* Micron Technology Randy Wolff* Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH Eckhard Lenski* Samtec (Corey Kimble) Signal Integrity Software Barry Katz, Walter Katz*, Todd Westerhoff Sigrity Sam Chitwood Synopsys Ted Mido Teraspeed Consulting Group Bob Ross* Texas Instruments Pavani Jella Toshiba (I.S. Corporation) (Yasumasa Kondo) Xilinx [David Banas] ZTE (Ying Xiong) Zuken Michael Schaeder, Ralf Bruening OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2009 AET Mikio Kiyono Bayside Design Stephen Coe, Elliot Nahas Circuit Spectrum Zaven Tashjian CST Antonio Ciccomancini, Martin Schauem Curtiss-Wright Embedded J. Phillips Computing EM Integrity Guy de Burgh Exar Helen Nguyen GEIA (Chris Denham) ICT Solutions Steven Wong IdemWorks Michelangelo Bandinu IO Methodology Li (Kathy) Chen, Lance Wang*, Zhi (Benny) Yan Juniper Kevin Ko Leventhal Design & Roy Leventhal Communications Maxim Integrated Products Ron Olisar Mindspeed Technologies Bobby Alkay NetLogic Microsystems Eric Hsu Politecnico di Torino Igor Stievano Sanmina SCI Vladimir Drivanenko Sedona International Joe Socha Siemens Manfred Maurer Signal Consulting Group Timothy Coyle, Nicole Mitchell Simberian Yuriy Shlepnev Xsigo Systems Robert Badel Independent Ian Dodd In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. UPCOMING MEETINGS The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as follows: Date Telephone Number Meeting ID July 17, 2009 1-866-432-9903, Option #3 205 328 749 All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM US Pacific Time. Meeting agendas are typically distributed seven days before each Open Forum. Minutes are typically distributed within seven days of the corresponding meeting. When calling into the meeting, press 3 to attend the meeting, then follow the prompts to enter the meeting ID. For new, local international dial-in numbers, please reference the bridge numbers provided by Cisco Systems at the following link: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM No new participants. CALL FOR PATENTS Michael Mirmak called for any patents or pending patents related to the IBIS 3.2, IBIS 4.2, IBIS 5.0 or ICM 1.1 specifications. No patents were declared. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Michael Mirmak reported that we are still sorting through invoices for memberships. We need 28-32 memberships to meet our budgetary goals for TechAmerica. We are shy of this number still, but we are sending out new invoices. Please contact the board if you have any troubles with renewals. The membership roles will be cleaned after the DAC summit meeting. Bob Ross noted that we are having problems getting updated financial information from TechAmerica. Our last update was in March. REVIEW OF MINUTES AND ARS Michael Mirmak called for comments regarding the minutes of the June 5, 2009 IBIS Open Forum teleconference. The minutes were approved without changes. WEB PAGE UPDATES Syed Huq reported that an update for Lance Wang on the s2ibis3 support email link will be submitted today. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION Bob Ross reported that everything is working normally, except that we had trouble sending out the DAC IBIS summit invitation. This was due to a new spam rule that is now fixed. MODEL LIBRARY UPDATE No update. PRESS UPDATE None. MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS None. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES None. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS - DASC Michael Mirmak reported that there was a meeting yesterday. The group made minor changes regarding voting privileges. Also, Accellera and The SPIRIT Consortium announced plans to merge. DASC may be holding a meeting at DAC. The DASC file and e-mail archive may be found at: http://www.dasc.org/ - P1735 Encryption Syed Huq reported that group found differences between the P1800 and P1076 LRM language and is investigating. They are also looking at key language control. The IEEE DASC Study Group on Encryption web reflector archives are found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ip-encrypt/hm/ -Conferences The Electrical Performance of Electronic Packaging and Systems (EPEPS 2009) is October 19-21, 2009 at the Embassy Suites in Portland, OR. This is a major meeting for SI people from universities and industry. http://www.epep.org/ The 7th International Workshop on Electromagnetic Compatibility of Integrated Circuits (EMC COMPO 2009) is November 17-20, 2009 in Toulouse, France. http://www.emccompo.org TECHAMERICA STATUS Michael Mirmak reported they are still sorting out their accounting system. The TechAmerica website is fairly complete now, but they are still migrating over some GEIA websites. We will not have a TechAmerica update at DAC due to budgetary reasons. We will plan on this for the DesignCon summit early next year. IEC APPROVAL ACTIVITIES Randy Wolff reported that he has asked for but not yet received any updates from Chris Denham or Victor Berman since the May 7 phone call. Victor and Chris are supposed to collaborate on a dual logo process of approval between TechAmerica and IEC as well as the copyright issue. Victor also is supposed to let Randy know what steps are needed to advance the IBIS specification through the IEC approval process. Bob Ross asked Randy if he had contacted Chris Denham about copyright requirements for the new IBIS logo. Randy has contacted Chris twice with no response yet. SUMMIT STATUS -DAC Planning DAC is scheduled for July 26-31, 2009 in San Francisco. The IBIS summit is scheduled for Tuesday, July 28 in the Westin San Francisco Market Street. Sponsorship is welcome. Elections are also held at this meeting. Let the board know if you are interested in an officer position. The second call for papers went out. John Angulo and Mentor Graphics have helped with the room arrangements and have confirmed that we still have a room reserved. The actual room is to be determined. Send a note to Syed Huq if you are planning to attend or would like to give a presentation. The membership roles will be purged after this meeting. -China Summit Planning Bob Ross reported that he asked Coco Xu to reserve Wednesday, November 4 at the Four Points Hotel in the Pudong district. Co-sponsors include Huawei Technologies, Agilent Technologies, Ansoft, Cadence Design, Cybernet Systems, Intel, Mentor Graphics, SiSoft, Sigrity, Synopsys, ZTE Corporation and others to be determined. -Japan Summit Planning This event will be held at the JEITA headquarters. The meeting will be held either the Friday before or the Friday after the Shanghai meeting. Co- sponsors include Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association (JEITA) and others to be determined. It is unlikely we will host any other Asian events this year, such as in Taiwan. Sponsorship opportunities for all upcoming IBIS summits are available, with sponsors receiving free mentions in the minutes, agenda, and other announcements. Contact the IBIS Board for further details. IBIS QUALITY TASK GROUP Mike LaBonte reported that the group is continuing editorial review of the IBIS 1.1 Quality specification. They are 2/3 of the way through the review. Bob Ross noted they have some consistency items to address. Mike thinks the specification will be released sometime in August. The group is continuing weekly meetings at 8:00 AM PST. The Quality Task Group checklist and other documentation can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/quality_wip/ IBIS MODEL REVIEW TASK GROUP Lynne Green reported that the group has received six files this year. One was from an EDA vendor and was not distributed. Others have been reviewed by the full group. One issue found is model makers confusing ambient temperature with junction temperature. One model had V-t curves with oscillation after the transition, and the actual device did this. This was a new phenomenon. Michael Mirmak asked if the Model Review group is willing to review Touchstone models. Lynne replied that they are, and the reviewers are also willing to review AMS models. ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY MODELING TASK GROUP Arpad Muranyi reported that the group is making progress preparing the IBIS Interconnect SPICE document. They are preparing a presentation to introduce it at the DAC IBIS summit. They have also discussed a clarification BIRD regarding the AMS specification. There is a potential issue with clock tick calculations that could cause problems with eye diagram plotting. They might want to add language to the IBIS specification to clarify it. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/macromodel_wip/ AD HOC TASK GROUPS (INTERCONNECT) Michael Mirmak reported that the group is reviewing proposals regarding treatment of sparse matrices and port and node mapping for inclusion in a future revision of Touchstone. The group needs to write up their ideas more formally now. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda.org/ibis/adhoc/interconnect/ NEW ISSUES None. IBISCHK5 PARSER STATUS Michael Mirmak reported that there have been many comments from the developer. We are expecting a code drop covering the errors/warnings numbering soon. Questions were about how to number messages. For instance, do you give separate numbers for typ/min/max messages related to the same tables? Arpad Muranyi asked if you could add in numbers with sub- numbers. Michael said that was one possibility, but we are trying to preserve as many messages as possible that are already in the parser. Michael noted that there are also questions from the parser developer about parsing an AMI file. For instance, are there limits to line lengths, comment characters and file name lengths? Do all the general syntax rules found in IBIS apply to an AMI file? This may need to be clarified in the AMI section of the IBIS specification. The comment character in AMI is meant to be only the ‘|’ character, but this is not clear in the specification, as the comment character in IBIS can be changed from the default. Walter Katz noted that the line lengths within AMI files should not be limited to 120 characters. Mike LaBonte confirmed that the first line in the tree structure of the AMI file does not have to be the filename. The parser developer comments will be passed to the ATM group for discussion, and the ATM group can then write any necessary BIRDs to address clarifications to the specification. IBISCHK4 BUG STATUS Michael Mirmak plans to work with Tim Coyle to write a BIRD and a BUG related to [Test Data]. This will clarify how [Test Data], [Test Load], [Model], and [Driver Schedule] are supposed to interact. The BUG report list is available at the link below: http://www.eda.org/ibis/bugs/ibischk/ ICMCHK1 BUG STATUS All BUGs have been closed. No new BUGs have been filed. TOUCHSTONE 2.0 STATUS Michael Mirmak noted that a parser call for bids has been out for some time and closes on June 30, 2009. NEW ISSUES Bob Ross asked that we disclose the IBISCHK5 parser bid price. The licensee price remains $2500. The parser development price was $7000. Arpad Muranyi asked if the parser will check AMI files. It will do this, and the parser should include a flag option to parse only an AMI file. This is similar to parsing of .pkg and .ebd files. NEXT MEETING The next IBIS Open Forum teleconference will be held July 17, 2009 from 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM US Pacific Standard Time. ======================================================================== NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Michael Mirmak (916) 356-4261, Fax: (916) 377-3788 michael.mirmak@intel.com Server Platform Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Corporation FM5-239 1900 Prairie City Rd. Folsom, CA 95630 VICE CHAIR: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 shuq@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 SECRETARY: Randy Wolff (208) 363-1764, Fax: (208) 368-3475 rrwolff@micron.com SI Modeling Manager, Micron Technology, Inc. 8000 S. Federal Way Mail Stop: 01-711 Boise, ID 83707-0006 LIBRARIAN: Lance Wang (978) 633-3388 lwang@iometh.com President / CEO, IO Methodology, Inc. PO Box 2099 Acton, MA 01720 WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 huqs@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 POSTMASTER: Bob Ross (503) 246-8048, Fax : (503) 239-4400 bob@teraspeed.com Staff Scientist, Teraspeed Consulting Group 10238 SW Lancaster Road Portland, OR 97219 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the GEIA Legal Guides and GEIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. 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IBIS CURRENT MEMBER VOTING STATUS I/O Buffer Information Specification Committee (IBIS) |Organization |Interest |Standard|April |May 15,|June 5,|June | | |Category |s Ballot|24, 2009|2009 |2009 |26, | | | |Voting | | | |2009 | | | |Status | | | | | |Actel |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Advanced Micro |Producer |Inactive|( | | | | |Devices | | | | | | | |Agilent |User |Inactive| | | | | |Technologies | | | | | | | |Ansoft |User |Inactive| | | | | |Apple Computer |User |Inactive| | | | | |Applied |User |Inactive| | | | | |Simulation | | | | | | | |Technology | | | | | | | |ARM |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Cadence Design |User |Active |( |( |( | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Cisco Systems |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Ericsson |Producer |Active |( | |( | | |Freescale |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Green Streak |General |Inactive| | | |( | |Programs |Interest | | | | | | |Hitachi ULSI |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Systems | | | | | | | |Huawei |User |Inactive| | | | | |IBM |Producer |Active |( |( | |( | |Infineon |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Technologies AG | | | | | | | |Intel Corp. |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |LSI |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Marvell |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Semiconductor | | | | | | | |Mentor Graphics |User |Active |( | |( |( | |Micron |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Technology | | | | | | | |Nokia Siemens |Producer |Active | | |( |( | |Networks | | | | | | | |Samtec |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Signal Integrity|User |Active | |( |( |( | |Software | | | | | | | |Sigrity |User |Inactive| | | | | |Synopsys |User |Inactive| | | | | |Teraspeed |General |Active |( |( |( |( | |Consulting |Interest | | | | | | |Texas |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Instruments | | | | | | | |Toshiba |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Xilinx |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |ZTE |User |Inactive| | | | | |Zuken |User |Inactive| | | | | Criteria for Member in good standing: • Must attend two consecutive meetings to establish voting membership • Membership dues current • Must not miss two consecutive Meetings Interest categories associated with GEIA ballot voting are: • Users - Members that utilize electronic equipment to provide services to an end user. • Producers - Members that supply electronic equipment. • General Interest - Members are neither producers nor users. 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