IBIS Open Forum Minutes Meeting Date: October 9, 2009 VOTING MEMBERS AND 2009 PARTICIPANTS Actel (Prabhu Mohan) Agilent Brian Andresen, Radek Biernacki, Saliou Dieye, Yutao Hu, Fangyi Rao AMD Nam Nguyen Ansoft Corporation Steve Pytel Apple Computer (Matt Herndon) Applied Simulation Technology (Fred Balistreri) ARM V. Muniswara Reddy Cadence Design Systems Terry Jernberg*, Ambrish Varma Cisco Systems Luis Boluna, Tram Bui, Bill Chen, Syed Huq*, Mike LaBonte*, Pedo Miran, Huyen Pham, AbdulRahman (Abbey) Rafiq, Ashwin Vasudevan, Zhiping Yang Ericsson Anders Ekholm* Green Streak Programs Lynne Green Hitachi ULSI Systems (Kazuyoshi Shoji) IBM Adge Hawes Infineon Technologies AG (Christian Sporrer) Intel Corporation Myoung J. Choi, Michael Mirmak*, Vishram Pandit, Jon Powell, Sirisha Prayaga IO Methodology Li (Kathy) Chen, Lance Wang*, Zhi (Benny) Yan LSI Brian Burdick* Mentor Graphics Weston Beal, Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov, Zhen Mu, Arpad Muranyi* Micron Technology Randy Wolff* Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH Eckhard Lenski* Samtec (Corey Kimble) Signal Integrity Software Barry Katz, Walter Katz*, Todd Westerhoff Sigrity Brad Brim, Sam Chitwood Synopsys Ted Mido Teraspeed Consulting Group Bob Ross* Toshiba (Yasumasa Kondo) Xilinx [David Banas] ZTE (Ying Xiong) Zuken Michael Schaeder, Ralf Bruening OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2009 AET Mikio Kiyono Altera Hui Fu Apache Yu Lin ATE Nob Tanak, Kenny Suga Bayside Design Stephen Coe, Elliot Nahas Circuit Spectrum Zaven Tashjian CST Antonio Ciccomancini, Martin Schauem Curtiss-Wright Embedded J. Phillips Computing EM Integrity Guy de Burgh Exar Helen Nguyen Freescale Jon Burnett, Om Mandhama Huawei Technologies Xiaoqing Dong, Chunxing Huang, Guan Tao ICT Solutions Steven Wong IdemWorks Michelangelo Bandinu Juniper Kevin Ko Kineret Design Ricardo Teliuteuesh Leventhal Design & Roy Leventhal Communications Maxim Integrated Products Ron Olisar Mindspeed Technologies Bobby Alkay NetLogic Microsystems Eric Hsu Politecnico di Torino Igor Stievano Sanmina SCI Vladimir Drivanenko Sedona International Joe Socha Siemens Manfred Maurer Signal Consulting Group Timothy Coyle, Nicole Mitchell Simberian Yuriy Shlepnev TechAmerica (GEIA) (Chris Denham) Texas Instruments Pavani Jella Xsigo Systems Robert Badel Independent Ian Dodd In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. 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For new, local international dial-in numbers, please reference the bridge numbers provided by Cisco Systems at the following link: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/conferencing/index.html NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM No new participants. CALL FOR PATENTS Bob Ross called for any patents or pending patents related to the IBIS 3.2, IBIS 4.2, IBIS 5.0 or ICM 1.1 specifications. No patents were declared. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Bob Ross reported that we have 29 paid members. He is waiting for confirmation from TechAmerica on payments of one or two additional memberships. REVIEW OF MINUTES AND ARS Bob Ross called for comments regarding the minutes of the September 18, 2009 IBIS Open Forum teleconference. The minutes were approved without any changes. WEB PAGE UPDATES Syed Huq reported that there were no web page updates this time. He noted that Bob sent him a few minor changes to make yesterday, so he will be making those changes shortly. Bob Ross noted that there was a web outage. Several people noticed and reported it. There was a renewal issue with the eigroup.org domain, and it took a few days to get restored. MAILING LIST ADMINISTRATION Mike LaBonte reported that there were a few drops and additions on the mailing list. Everything is working normally. MODEL LIBRARY UPDATE Anders Ekholm reported that he has updated all the links, and he sent the updated page to TechAmerica. The new page has not been published yet. PRESS UPDATE None. MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS None. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES Bob Ross added ‘DesignCon Planning’ as a separate item from the ‘Other Events’ planning. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL ACTIVITIES - DASC Michael Mirmak reported that the next meeting is October 15. The DASC file and e-mail archive may be found at: http://www.dasc.org/ - P1735 Encryption Syed Huq reported that the October 5 meeting was cancelled. The next meeting is October 19. He noted that several more companies have joined the encryption forum. The IEEE Study Group on Encryption web reflector archives are found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ip-encrypt/hm/ -Conferences The Electrical Performance of Electronic Packaging and Systems (EPEPS 2009) is October 19-21, 2009 at the Embassy Suites in Portland, OR. This is a major meeting for SI people from universities and industry. http://www.epep.org/ The 7th International Workshop on Electromagnetic Compatibility of Integrated Circuits (EMC COMPO 2009) is November 17-20, 2009 in Toulouse, France. http://www.emccompo.org TECHAMERICA STATUS No update. IEC APPROVAL ACTIVITIES Randy Wolff reported that the IEC meeting was September 28-30, 2009. He has not heard any update from Victor Berman, so he will email him to find out the status of IEC approval of the IBIS 4.2 specification. SUMMIT STATUS -China Summit Planning The meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, November 4 at the Four Points Hotel in Shanghai in the Pudong district. Bob Ross reported that another announcement will go out next week. IO Methodology has been added as a co- sponsor. Funds have been transferred into Lance Wang’s account for paying meeting expenses. 12 presentations are scheduled. The formal agenda will go out one week before the meeting. Vendor tables need to be arranged. Co- sponsors include Huawei Technologies, Agilent Technologies, Ansoft, Cadence Design, Cybernet Systems, Intel, IO Methodology, Mentor Graphics, SiSoft, Sigrity, Synopsys and ZTE Corporation. -Japan Summit Planning The meeting is scheduled for Friday, November 6 at the JEITA headquarters from 2:00 PM to 6:00 PM. Bob Ross noted that there have been several signups already. There will be a full program. Vendor tables will be arranged by JEITA. Co-sponsors include Japan Electronics and Information Technology Industries Association (JEITA), ATE (Sigrity Distributor), Cadence, Zuken and others to be determined. -DesignCon Planning Bob Ross sent a contract agreement between IBIS and IEC to officers for review. We need to decide what day to hold the meeting. The most likely choice is Thursday, February 4, 2010. Monday is the second choice, but this is the day for tutorials. Bob is working with Syed Huq to make sure we have a backup meeting room with the hotel in case we can’t get a room in the convention center. Bob questioned whether we want an IBIS booth. The booth is complimentary, but there are a lot of extra fees. -Other Events None. Sponsorship opportunities for all upcoming IBIS summits are available, with sponsors receiving free mentions in the minutes, agenda, and other announcements. Contact the IBIS Board for further details. IBIS QUALITY TASK GROUP Mike LaBonte reported that the group finished reviewing changes to the Quality specification suggested by Randy Wolff and others. He posted an updated version. This included a new check 5.2.14, “[Receiver Thresholds] : Threshold_sensitivity and Ext_ref present and match datasheet, if needed.” Bob Ross noted that there are a couple of presentations related to model quality at the China summit. The Quality Task Group checklist and other documentation can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/quality_wip/ IBIS MODEL REVIEW TASK GROUP No update. ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY MODELING TASK GROUP Arpad Muranyi reported that the group has discussed a better flow diagram for AMI for the IBIS 5.1 specification. They are making progress on this, but he asked for more comments. Next week, there will be a presentation from Vladimir Dmitriev-Zdorov on a proposal for how to make waveforms in the new flow more accurate. The group also needs to squeeze in time to finalize the IBIS ISS documentation. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/macromodel_wip/ AD HOC TASK GROUPS (INTERCONNECT) Michael Mirmak reported that the group meets Wednesdays at 9 AM PT. They are discussing sparse matrix keywords. IBM brought up support for binary file formats, noting a format they use. The group will discuss possible support for this. Task group material can be found at: http://www.eda.org/ibis/adhoc/interconnect/ TOUCHSTONE TSCHK2 PARSER LICENSE Bob Ross noted that at the last meeting, a price of $1000 was proposed for a tschk2 parser license. The current parser is being developed for free, but Bob noted that we can’t assume future development will be free, so we need to bring in some funds for this. Anders Ekholm asked about how to handle payments made for the parser. Bob said he would ask companies to make payments for next year, so we will not lose the funding at the end of the fiscal year. Bob motioned to set a fee of $1000 for a tschk2 parser license. Michael Mirmak seconded the motion. The vote passed with the following vote tally: Cadence yes Cisco yes Ericsson yes Intel yes IO Methodology yes LSI yes Mentor yes Micron yes Nokia yes SiSoft yes Teraspeed yes NEW ISSUES None. IBIS QUALITY SPECIFICATION VERSION 2.0 REVIEW Bob Ross asked for any comments. The document was updated with recent changes after the last Quality Committee meeting. Mike LaBonte discussed Check 5.2.1 that relates to the Vinl and Vinh values found under [Model]. The original wording noted that DC values should be used. This came from an example found in the IBIS specification, even though the description of these parameters makes no mention of use of AC or DC values. Mike changed the text in the Quality specification to remove mention of DC, so the user can choose whether to use AC or DC values for Vinl and Vinh parameters. It is suggested to use values related to the values used in [Model Spec]. Randy Wolff noted that he liked the change, as it allows the user to decide what is most appropriate to use. Randy asked if a BIRD should be written to change the example in the IBIS specification. Bob suggested he write up a BIRD for review. Mike noted that many models include Vinl and Vinh values that have no relation to AC or DC values. He thinks the values should have some useful meaning for tools that don’t support [Model Spec] or [Receiver Thresholds]. The document will be voted on October 30. The document can be downloaded from: http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/quality_wip/iq_ver_2_0.pdf IBISCHK5 PARSER STATUS Michael Mirmak reported that last minute delays are keeping the parser from being released. Compiled versions for Windows and Sun OS are complete, but SuSE Enterprise Server 9 (Linux) is having issues. The parser developer has been notified and is making changes. Michael will send Mike LaBonte the code to try compiling on his Linux system. TSCHK2 PARSER STATUS Michael Mirmak reported that he is continuing to get questions from the developer. The code development is on schedule. Questions have helped to make light of areas of the specification needing clarity. IBISCHK4 BUG STATUS Bob Ross noted that there are no new BUGs to report. The BUG report list is available at the link below: http://www.eda.org/ibis/bugs/ibischk/ ICMCHK1 BUG STATUS All BUGs have been closed. No new BUGs have been filed. NEW ISSUES Bob Ross noted that he will be introducing a new term, TSIRD, as a label for changes related to the Touchstone 2.0 document. NEXT MEETING The next IBIS Open Forum teleconference will be held October 30, 2009 from 8:00 to 10:00 AM US Pacific Standard Time. ======================================================================== NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Bob Ross (503) 246-8048, Fax: (503) 239-4400 bob@teraspeed.com Staff Scientist, Teraspeed Consulting Group 10238 SW Lancaster Road Portland, OR 97219 VICE CHAIR: Lance Wang (978) 633-3388 lwang@iometh.com President / CEO, IO Methodology, Inc. PO Box 2099 Acton, MA 01720 SECRETARY: Randy Wolff (208) 363-1764, Fax: (208) 368-3475 rrwolff@micron.com SI Modeling Manager, Micron Technology, Inc. 8000 S. Federal Way Mail Stop: 01-711 Boise, ID 83707-0006 LIBRARIAN: Anders Ekholm (46) 10 714 27 58, Fax: (46) 8 757 23 40 ibis-librarian@eda.org Digital Modules Design, PDU Base Stations, Ericsson AB BU Network Färögatan 6 164 80 Stockholm, Sweden WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504 huqs@cisco.com Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 POSTMASTER: Mike LaBonte (978) 936-2147 milabont@cisco.com Signal Integrity Engineer, Cisco Systems Mail Stop BXB01/1/ 1414 Massachusetts Ave Boxborough, MA 01719 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the GEIA Legal Guides and GEIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. 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IBIS CURRENT MEMBER VOTING STATUS I/O Buffer Information Specification Committee (IBIS) |Organization |Interest |Standard|August |August |Septemb|October| | |Category |s Ballot|7, 2009 |28, |er 18, |9, 2009| | | |Voting | |2009 |2009 | | | | |Status | | | | | |Actel |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Advanced Micro |Producer |Inactive| |( | | | |Devices | | | | | | | |Agilent |User |Inactive| | | | | |Technologies | | | | | | | |Ansoft |User |Inactive| | | | | |Apple Computer |User |Inactive| | | | | |Applied |User |Inactive| | | | | |Simulation | | | | | | | |Technology | | | | | | | |ARM |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Cadence Design |User |Inactive| |( | |( | |Systems | | | | | | | |Cisco Systems |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Ericsson |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Green Streak |General |Inactive| | | | | |Programs |Interest | | | | | | |Hitachi ULSI |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Systems | | | | | | | |IBM |Producer |Inactive|( | | | | |Infineon |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Technologies AG | | | | | | | |Intel Corp. |Producer |Active | |( |( |( | |IO Methodology |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |LSI |Producer |Active |( | |( |( | |Mentor Graphics |User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Micron |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Technology | | | | | | | |Nokia Siemens |Producer |Active |( |( |( |( | |Networks | | | | | | | |Samtec |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Signal Integrity|User |Active |( |( |( |( | |Software | | | | | | | |Sigrity |User |Inactive| | | | | |Synopsys |User |Inactive| | | | | |Teraspeed |General |Active |( |( |( |( | |Consulting |Interest | | | | | | |Toshiba |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |Xilinx |Producer |Inactive| | | | | |ZTE |User |Inactive| | | | | |Zuken |User |Inactive| | | | | Criteria for Member in good standing: • Must attend two consecutive meetings to establish voting membership • Membership dues current • Must not miss two consecutive Meetings Interest categories associated with GEIA ballot voting are: • Users - Members that utilize electronic equipment to provide services to an end user. • Producers - Members that supply electronic equipment. • General Interest - Members are neither producers nor users. This category includes, but is not limited to, Government, regulatory agencies (state and federal), researchers, other organizations and associations, and/or consumers.