Canes, All of those parameters you mention are informational, that is, they do not directly influence or describe the behavior of the model. They describe at what condition the data was generated, or at what conditions certain timing parameters were obtained. Rest assured that a model generated under a specific set of conditions will work reasonably well under other conditions, but even if you have concerns about that, the IBIS specification does have provisions for providing V-t tables, for example at multiple sets of V_fixture and R_fixture conditions. And if this is still not enough, you can always make multiple IBIS models and use the [Model Selector] keyword to allow the user to switch between them. But you cannot make a (behavioral) model without any load. How would you obtain Vmeas, for example? Or how would the internal algorithm of an IBIS tool determine what the output current was when the V-t curves were generated if there was no V_fixture and R_fixture connected to the output? I hope this helps to clarify your concern. Arpad ============================================================ ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@server.eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of Canes Venatici Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:43 AM To: ibis-users@server.eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS usage doubt Hi all, I have some doubts regarding the usage of IBIS models. In the IBIS model, 1. Ramp measurement is done with a default value of 50ohms (R_load) connected to vref. 2. Rising/Falling waveforms can be simulated/measured with R_/L_/C_fixture/V_fixture. 3. Cref and Rref are used for specifying the way delay was measured by the manufacturer. With the above information incorporated in the IBIS file, if used for simulating the interface will it be correctly representing the I/O? For e.g. with R_/L_/C_fixture/V_fixture/R_load effects included in the waveform data, if I make some external terminations, it is in addition to the R_fixture/R_load and may not correctly represent the system. Instead, why don't we have just the un-loaded I/O buffer modeled in the IBIS, so that the designer who is using IBIS can put appropriate interface and do the simulations. Regards, Canes Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, e-mail majordomo@eda-stds.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or e-mail a request to ibis-request@eda-stds.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Wed Oct 22 08:31:49 2008
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