Re: Malan's comments on BIRD30

Malan and all other BIRD watchers,

Thank you for your comments on BIRD 30, Malan. Here is my response
to your comments.

If I am not mistaken, your comments revolve mainly around the
selection by characteristics problem vs. selection by [Model] name,
which I proposed in the BIRD. I agree with you, I personally would
also like to know the [Model] characteristics when I am prompted to
make a choice between the various [Model]s.

However, this issue didn't occur to me at the time I wrote the BIRD,
because our 20-digit [Model] naming convention is designed to describe
the characteristics of the buffer in a fairly unique way across all of
our products. Providing a selection mechanism by the [Model] name
seemed to be the right thing to do, since our [Model] names are
meaningful in terms of the [Model]'s characteristics. The only
extension to the existing naming convention I had to make with BIRD 30
was to say that one [Model] represents only one mode of a programmable
buffer and each of the modes of a buffer must have a different [Model]
with a unique name. With this principle I did not see any need for
inventing more keywords and sub-parameters to describe the
characteristics of the buffer modes or [Model]s.

The only problem I see here is that not all of the vendors use the
same [Model] naming convention. To solve this problem we might ask
the question: would it be a good idea to standardize a [Model] naming
convention to reflect the characteristics of a [Model]? I see some
problems with that. An engineer might simulate with models from
various vendors. In order to make his work easier, the buffer
characterization has to be meaningful across all of the models he is
using. For example, the famous mA numbers which describe the buffer
strength come to my mind. One vendor calls the PCI buffer 6/12 mA
another calls it 12/21 mA. Yet the I-V curves of these two buffers
are about the same! I don't see that we could influence all vendors
(or IBIS model makers) to use the same kind of characterization
technique.

Until then, we might as well call our [Model]s "blue", "square",
"liquid", "garble" etc... The engineer will have to associate these
names with what he knows about the buffer, just like I have to know
today that a 6/12 is the same thing as a 12/21 mA buffer, a PCI
buffer. He might know that "blue" is a 5 volt buffer, "square" is a
3.3 volt buffer, "garble" is twice as strong as "square" and "liquid"
is faster than "blue". If he doesn't know this, he can look up the
keyword [Voltage Range] in the [Model] to find out which [Model] is a
3.3 volt model, look at the I-V curves to find out which one is
stronger than the other, or look at the [Ramp] keyword to find out
which one is the fastest.

However, a user always wants quick information with the least amount
of work. You are right, the "Classes" sub-parameter would provide
that. My main problem is that most of the time it would merely
duplicate the information which is already present in the data,
therefore it is redundant. Redundancies make things more error prone.
(What would you do as a user, if the [Voltage Range] keyword said it
was a 5.0 volt buffer, but the "Class" sub-parameter would say it was
a 3.3 volt buffer? These kind of mistakes might happen very easily.)
Also, in some cases the IBIS model maker might want to describe the
model in non-engineering terms, such as "use this [Model] for XX
MBytes of DRAMs". In my mind, the best way to give the user quick
information (without redundancy) on [Model] names under the [Model
selector] keyword is to use comments. The user interface of a
simulation tool can display these comments for the convenience of the
user. I know, comments are usually ignored by the simulators and
parsers. This could be an exception which makes sense logically.
Every comment after the [Model] name inside the [Model selector]
keyword could be treated as a "meaningful comment" to be used in a
user interface dialog box.

I don't understand the benefit of the additional [Signal selector]
keyword you suggested. I stated it clearly (I thought), that all pins
using the same Progbuffer name will be grouped by that name automatically.
This is the same as what you are saying:

> In addition to the [Model selector] keyword I have added a [Signal
> selector] keyword. This has syntax that is similar to that of [Model
> selector] but provides a listing of nets that are programmed as a
> set. A name for the net grouping also needs to be provided and a
> default set of characteristics can be specified.

The additional rules you described in the "miscellaneous notes" are
only necessary because of the redundant nature of the additional
[Signal selector] keyword. If there is no redundancy, there is no
need for these rules.

> Some miscellaneous notes: membership in more than one [Signal selector]
> group for a net should be prohibited; also the selection
> specifications MUST yield a unique model selection from each involved
> [Model selector]; I have used signal names for the [Signal selector]
> listing rather than pin names to provide for an easier conversion
> among package types.

There is no need for the sub-parameter "Classes", as I see it. All of
the information is already present in the various sections of the
[Model]. There is no need for duplicate descriptions (redundancy).
An IBIS model is simple enough and human readable, so that an engineer
can easily get this kind of information out of it.

These are my comments. Please let me know if I misunderstood some of
your writings. Sincerely,

Arpad Muranyi
Intel Corporation
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> An optional sub-parameter "Classes" has also been added to
> [Model]. This allows the specification of the programmable state of a
> given model. A set of program classes are listed, i.e., voltage and
> drive strength, and selection criteria values are assigned to them,
> i.e., 5V or 3V and H or L. An open-ended number of classes may be
> specified.
>
> In the example I have intentionally provided that the models of
> Progbuffer1 are programmable for voltage and drive while the models of
> Progbuffer2 are programmable only for voltage. In-spite of this they
> have been grouped into the same [Signal selector] grouping. In a case
> such as this, model selection should occur based upon what information
> is present. If it is specified that 3volt high drive models are to be
> selected for Progsection1 then the 3V H model from Progbuffer1 will be
> used in conjunction with the 3V buffer from Progbuffer2.
>
> I believe that the additional functionality that this would provide is
> probably worth the slightly greater complexity. I will brace myself to
> hear otherwise, however.
**************************Begin Example*****************************
==============================================================================
| Keyword: [Model selector]
| Required: No.
| Description: Used to pick a [Model] from a list of [Model]s for a pin which
| uses a programmable buffer.
| Sub-Params: Default (?required if keyword used?)
| Usage Rules: A programmable buffer must have an individual [Model] section
| for each one of its modes used in the .ibs file. The names of
| these [Models] must be unique and can be listed under the
| [Model selector] keyword and/or pin list. The name of the
| [Model selector] keyword must match the corresponding model
| name listed under the [Pin] keyword and must not contain more
| than 20 characters. A .ibs file must contain enough [Model
| selector] keywords to cover all of the model selector names
| specified under the [Pin] keyword.
|
| The sub-parameter Default is used to point to a default [Model]
| to be used on the pin(s) calling this [Model selector].
|
| The operation of this selection mechanism implies that a group
| of pins which use the same programmable buffer (i.e. model
| selector name) will be switched together from one [Model] to
| another. Therefore, if two groups of pins, for example an
| address bus and a data bus, use the same programmable buffer,
| the user must have the capability to configure them
| independently. One can use two [Model selector] keywords
| with unique names and the same list of [Model] keywords;
| however, the usage of the [Model selector] is not limited to
| these examples. Many other combinations are possible.
|
|
[Pin] signal_name model_name R_pin L_pin C_pin
|
  1 RAS0# Progbuffer1 200.0m 5.0nH 2.0pF
  2 EN1# Input1 NA 6.3nH NA
  3 A0 3-state
  4 D0 Progbuffer2
  5 D1 Progbuffer2 320.0m 3.1nH 2.2pF
  6 D2 Progbuffer2
  7 RD# Input2 310.0m 3.0nH 2.0pF
| .
| .
| .
  18 Vcc3 POWER
|
|
[Model selector] Progbuffer1 | voltage drive
Default ABCD0123456789ABCDE0 | 3V H
                ABCD0123456789ABCDE1 | 3V L
                 ABCD0123456789ABCDE2 | 5V H
                ABCD0123456789ABCDE3 | 5V L
|
[Model selector] Progbuffer2
                WXYZ9876543210WXYZE0 | 3V
Default WXYZ9876543210WXYZE1 | 5V
|
[Signal selector] ProgSection1 Default:voltage=3V;drive=H
                    RAS0#,D0,D1,D2
|
|
|
[Model] ABCD0123456789ABCDE0
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=3V;drive=H | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|
[Model] ABCD0123456789ABCDE1
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=3V;drive=L | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|
[Model] ABCD0123456789ABCDE2
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=5V;drive=H | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|
[Model] ABCD0123456789ABCDE3
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=5V;drive=L | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|
[Model] WXYZ9876543210WXYZE0
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=3V | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|
[Model] WXYZ9876543210WXYZE1
Model_type I/O
Classes voltage=5V | optional parameter
Polarity Non-Inverting
Enable Active-Low
| .
| .
| .
|

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regards,

Malan Rampton
Signal Integrity Group
Compaq Computer Corporation
phone: (713)374-6800
email: rampton@twisto.compaq.com
Received on Tue Aug 15 10:48:17 1995