DATE: 4/2/01
SUBJECT: 3/30/01 EIA IBIS Open Forum Meeting Minutes
VOTING MEMBERS AND 2001 PARTICIPANTS LIST:
3Com (& CommWorks) Roy Leventhal*
Agilent (Mark Chang)
Ansoft Corporation (Eric Bracken)
Apple Computer John Figueroa
Applied Simulation Technology Raj Raghuram, Norio Matsui, Fred Balistreri
Avanti (Chen Hongyu)
Brocade Communications Robert Badal
Cadence Design Ian Dodd, Patrick Dos Santos, Heiko Dudek
Cisco Systems Syed Huq, Lungfu Chen
Compaq Peter LaFlamme, Ron Bellomio, Quang Dam,
Bill Ham*
Cypress (Rajesh Manapat)
EMC Corporation Brian Arsenault, Jinhua Chen
Fairchild Semiconductor Adam Tambone
IBM Michael Cohen, Greg Edlund, Wes Martin,
Yeon-Chang Hahm, Bill DeVey, Pravin Patel*
Innoveda (& HyperLynx) Guy de Burgh, John Angulo, Cary Mandel
Intel Corporation Stephen Peters*, Arpad Muranyi*, Dave Lorang,
Michael Mirmak, Qinglun Chen, Will Hobbs
LSI Logic Larry Barnes*
Mentor Graphics Bob Ross*, Tom Dagostino, Chris Reid,
Mike Donnelly, Hazem Hegazy, Tony Dunbar,
Griff Derryberry, Dan Lake, Sherif Hammad,
Mohammed Korany, Weston Beal, Chris Swaim,
Ali Samii, Eric Ronger, Karine Loudet
Micron Technology Randy Wolff, Yong Phan
Mitsubishi (Tam (Tom) Cao)
Molex Incorporated Gus Panella, Brian O'Malley
Motorola (Ron Werner)
National Semiconductor Milt Schwartz*
Nortel Networks Calvin Trowell
North East Systems Associates Edward Sayre
Philips Semiconductor Zack Ciccone, Rob Mataheroe
Quantic EMC (Mike Ventham)
Robinson-Nugent, Inc. (Alexander Barr)
Siemens (& Automotive) AG Bernhard Unger, Helmut Katzier, Katja Koller,
Wolfram Meyer, Eckhard Lenski, Gerald Bannert,
Burkhard Muller, Christian Marot,
Manfred Maurer, Amir Motamedi,
Hans Pichlmaier
Signal Integrity Software Douglas Burns, Barry Katz, Walter Katz
SiQual Scott McMorrow, Rob Hinz, Bernard Voss,
Chris Brewster
Texas Instruments Thomas Fisher, Stephen Nolan, Ramzi Ammar,
Jean Claude Perrin*
Time Domain Analysis Systems Dima Smolyansky, Steve Corey
Tyco Electronics (Russell Moser)
Via Technologies (Weber Chuang)
Zuken (& Incases) John Berrie
OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 2001:
Actel Corporation Silvia Montoya
Acuson Kim Helliwell
AMCC Jeff Smith
ASIS Ltd David Wright
BMW Friedrich Hasinger
Cereva Networks Bob Haller
EADS Airbus Industry Claude Huet
(Aerospatiale)
EFM Ekkehard Miersch, Horle Raines
EIA Cecilia Fleming*
FCI Sercu Stefaan
Foundary Networks Bertram Chan
Framatom Conectors Danny Morlion
Fraunhofer Institute Mariusz Faferko, Peter Kralicek
Reliability and
Integration
Fujitsu Ltd Tadashi Arai, Takeshi Murakami
Heidelberger Druchmaschinen AG Wolfgang Kleinfeldt
Huawei Technologies Rachild Chen
Hyundai Electronics Jongho Kang
Infineon Technologies Christian Sporrer
Intrinsix Corporation Steven Chin
National Institute of Applied Etienne Sicard
Science (INSA)
Nokia Tapani von Ravner, Mika Castren,
Janne Uusitalo
Oak Technology Darmin Jin
Plexus Technology Group Joseph Socha
Sintecs Hans Klos
STMicroelectronics Peter Hirt, Fabrice Boissieres
Sun Adrian Udenze
Xilinx Susan Wu
Independent, Consultant Al Davis*
In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal
members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses.
Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets.
Upcoming Meetings: The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as
follows:
Date Bridge Number Reservation # Passcode
April 20, 2001 (916) 356-9200 2-524674 3881934
All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM Pacific Time. We try to have agendas out
7 days before each Open Forum, and meeting minutes out within 7 days after.
When you call into the meeting, ask for the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Will
Hobbs and give the reservation number and passcode.
NOTE: "AR" = Action Required.
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INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM
Bill Ham is an interconnect architect at Compaq. He has a long term interest
in modeling and has been involved with the t10 committee on SCSI issues and
on the t11 committee on fiber channel issues. Bill is interested in common
methodologies and in launch signals that vary with the data pattern.
MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT
Bob Ross is expecting the final year 2000 financial report per a conversation
with Cecilia Fleming. Also, Bob estimates that we have about 25 paid members
this year. Cecilia plans to mail reminder invoices, and Bob will work with
her regarding some new addresses.
REVIEW OF MINUTES AND AR'S
The March 2, 2001 IBIS Minutes were approved without change.
The March 16, 2001 European IBIS Summit Meeting Minutes were approved with the
following corrections reported by Bob Ross:
The presentation title by Etienne Sicard was corrected to:
EMC MODEL FOR PREDICTION OF PARASITIC EMISSION
and the co-author is corrected to Claude Huet for the presentation by Jean
Claude Perrin:
INTEGRATED CIRCUITS MODELING, ICEM, INTEGRATED CIRCUITS ELECTROMAGNETIC
MODEL, PROPOSAL: IEC62014-3
The corrected version of the minutes will be uploaded.
The ARs will be discussed during the meeting.
MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS
None.
PRESS AND WEB PAGE UPDATES
Bob Ross reported that IBIS and the IBIS Accuracy Report was mentioned in the
March 2001 issue of Printed Circuit Design, "Ensuring Signal Integrity in
Microprocessor Motherboards and Memory" by Dima Smolyansky, pp. 18 - 24.
NEW MODELS AVAILABLE, LIBRARY UPDATE
Roy Leventhal reported that he updated the links of the IBIS Models page and
plans to do some more corrections. Bob Ross stated that anyone who finds any
problems should notify Roy.
OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES
Bob Ross - BUG55 - Control-Z Can be Used as End-of-File
INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS
- IEC 62014-1 (IBIS Version 3.2) - Bob Ross reported that we are waiting for
vote on the FDIS (Final Draft International Standard). It is expected to
close on April 13, 2001. If the vote is successful, then IBIS Version 3.2 can
be published as an official international standard.
- pr EIAJ ED-5302 Standard for I/O Interface Model for Integrated Circuits
(IMIC) - No report.
- IEC 62014-3 (ICEM) Integrated Circuit Electromagnetic Model Proposal
(formerly, IEC 93/67/NP IBIS and EMC Simulation) - Jean Claude Perrin
reported that IEC 62014-3, a technical report is expected to take two to
three months for balloting. In the mean time, the Committee is working on
a Cookbook to provide measurement methods to get the necessary parameters if
they are not provided by semiconductor manufacturers. Jean Claude will send
information by e-mail to Bob Ross. Bob asked Jean Claude if it was OK to
download the document under consideration by IEC and put it on the IBIS FTP
site for review. Jean Claude thought this would be all right. Jean Claude
also stated that he seeks more participation in the Committee.
- JEDEC JC-16 - Modeling and Testing - No report.
- T10, Project 1414-DT - SCSI Signal Modeling (a Technical Committee of the
National Committee for Information Technology (NCITS)) - Larry Barnes
reported that the next meeting will be held April 2-4, 2001 in Massachusetts,
and the following meeting will be in June or July in Connecticut. The SCSI
Signal Modeling (SSM) Technical Report should be closed at that time. A
new version of the document will be uploaded by Monday, April 1, 2001 and
can be found under:
or directly at:
ftp://ftp.t10.org/drafts/ssm/ssm-r03.pdf
It contains references to the IBIS Cookbook and credits Stephen Peters for his
work. Bob Ross indicated that he has made some editorial comments.
Bill Ham initiated a technical discussion, which we conducted at this time
since Larry had to leave early. Bill outlined the technical challenge that
the launch signal strengths depend on the data pattern. Currently there are
two levels (strong and weak), but more levels could be generated.
Larry commented that the SCSI technology calls for differential current source
drivers. Each side might be considered to have two drivers for full strength,
but the second driver switches from a source to a sink if a second successive
bit occurs. A fallback mechanism would describe this effect. The driver
switches direction rather than just turns off (as Bob had suggested in private
e-mail to Larry). The [Driver Schedule] keyword could describe this, but the
SCSI Committee needs this description for typ, min and max conditions.
Al Davis suggested working with the IBIS Futures committee so that a proper
model type could be described. Larry will do this. Stephen Peters will
provide Larry with the meeting information. Bob indicated that we should
still investigate this through the BIRD process and target it for an IBIS
Version 4.0 release. The actual implementation might still be through the
macro language and a Version 4.0 template.
DATE 2001 EUROPEAN IBIS SUMMIT MEETING FEEDBACK
Bob Ross asked for comments. Bob stated that we had a lot of presentations,
but we managed to get the key information presented and still have some
questions and discussions after each one.
Bob thanked Syed Huq for uploading Acrobat .pdf versions of the Power Point
presentations.
Arpad Muranyi commented that the presentations were high quality. Some
interesting new ways to use the IBIS data files were given. Arpad felt that
some advances need to be considered for IBIS-X implementation.
DESIGN AUTOMATION CONFERENCE 2001 IBIS SUMMIT MEETING PLANS
Bob Ross outlined the general plans for the next IBIS Summit Meeting. The
annual meeting is held along with the Design Automation Conference (DAC).
This year it is in Las Vegas, Nevada. The IBIS Summit Meeting will be held
in the Hilton Hotel adjacent to the Las Vegas Convention Center. It is
scheduled for Thursday, June 21, 2001, the day after the trade show portion of
DAC. This meeting is sponsored by the IBIS Open Forum through the dues, and
Bob will ask Guy de Burgh to coordinate the local arrangements.
Bob stated that we hold election of IBIS officers. Elections are open to
anyone, and nominations will be accepted at the meeting. However, Bob would
also like to find out who is interested in serving so we can announce the
candidates several meetings before the DAC IBIS Summit Meeting.
In addition, we will plan to have presentations and discussions. We will
probably have sessions on:
Connector Specification
IBIS-X
IBIS Version 4.0 Issues
Possibly other topics such as enhanced buffer extraction
Roy Leventhal stated that he will probably give a presention at the IBIS
Summit Meeting in September in Massachusetts.
IBIS MODEL REVIEW COMMITTEE DISCUSSION
Bob Ross reported that IBIS models from AMD and UTMC have been sent out by
John Angulo for review.
CONNECTOR PROPOSAL REVIEW
Bob Ross stated that he had planned to start the Connector Specification
review at this meeting, but did not have time to prepare for it. He plans to
have another Connector Working Group Meeting on April 3, 2001 to consider more
cleanup of the document. The first review will now be planned for the next
meeting and expected to focus on the Header section. It should be aligned
with the IBIS-X document header.
Al Davis has started to prototype the Specification, but has uncovered some
technical issues. He will bring them up to the Connector Working Group. Bob
asked for some details off line. Al may discuss this at the Connector
Working Group meeting.
IBIS FUTURES (IBIS-X, API, BIRDxx)
Stephen Peters summarized the discussions of the March 20, 2001 Working Group
meeting. The Working Group is ready to release to the Open Forum the top
level specification. A component section similar to that in IBIS Verison 3.2
has been added, but with some editorial changes to fit better with the IBIS-X
structure.
Stephen reported that the formal documentation of the macro-language still
needs to be done. Also, the library guide needs to be written.
The IBIS Futures Working Group wants to work with the Connector Working Group
to insure the documents are compatible. The next IBIS Futures Working Group
meeting is scheduled for April 3, 2001 and every two weeks thereafter.
BIRD69.1 - GOLDEN WAVEFORMS
Bob Ross suggested withdrawing BIRD69.1 since BIRD70 was issued to cover the
same functions. The BIRD69.1 author, Greg Edlund, favors moving forward with
BIRD70. Bob called for a vote on BIRD69.1
BIRD69.1 was rejected by Unanimous Vote
BIRD70 - GOLDEN WAVEFORMS
Al Davis introduced BIRD70 since Greg Edlund could not attend this meeting.
BIRD70 contains some syntactical revisions to make it fit better with the
IBIS-X macro language. It separates the testing portion of an IBIS model
from the existing model portion used for electrical characterization. BIRD70
(and a future BIRD70.1) propose that the golden waveform information be located
under a [Test Data] and [Test Load] keyword, not under the [Model] keyword as
was proposed in BIRD69.1.
(In BIRD70, the waveforms are still under the [Rising Waveform] and [Falling
Wave] keywords.) Al and Bob Ross commented on a few points and also stated
that some BIRD70.1 changes were already planned. Bob wanted the detailed
discussions to be conducted after BIRD70.1 is issued.
Al commented that he did not like listing default [Test Load] values. Bob
agreed. If the sub-parameter is missing, the defaults should be automatically
set to open for shunt elements, and short for series elements. Transmission
lines without the Td subparameter value would be assumed to be shorted. The
default voltage might be an issue, but BIRD70.1 should provide a solution.
Bob stated that Greg Edlund plans to issue BIRD70.1. Some editorial changes
might be given to Greg beforehand. BIRD70.1 will add a subparameter to name
the Driver model. It will describe the equivalent package model directly, if
used L, C, and R subparameters.
AR - Greg Edlund issue BIRD70.1 with planned revisions and other submitted
changes.
OTHER PENDING BIRDS
Bob Ross commented that the Fallback Submodel BIRD had been discussed earlier
as part of the SCSI t10 report. There is still needed for this BIRD to
describe the dynamic output control functionality.
Two other BIRDs include one proposal for PCI thresholds, and one for
simultaneous Switched Outputs (SSO).
IBISCHK3 BUG TRACKING
Bob Ross stated that Matthew Flora provided fixes to BUG53 and BUG34. The
fixes have been included in a new ibischk3 Version 3.2.7. No other fixes were
done so that the new executable could be released soon. Prior to the new
Version, ibischk3 incorrectly issued Warnings for correct *Open* IBIS models.
Matthew generated new source code and distributed it to the companies that
had purchased source code licenses. Matthew also generated the Windows
executable. Guy de Burgh generated executables for Unix systems. Bob stated
that the new executables are uploaded:
http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/ibischk3/
The older Verison 3.2.5 and Version 3.2.6 executables are archived under this
directory. Bob expects Syed Huq to generate and upload the new executables
for Linux.
- BUG54 - Corners with NA give Bad Test Load Warnings
Because Michael Mirmak could not attend this meeting, and because Bob needed
to consider how to implement BUG54, Bob decided to postpone the discussion
on how to resolve BUG54 until the next meeting. Bob commented that BIRD54
had been modified in response to comments from the March 2, 2001 IBIS
meeting.
- BUG55 - Control-Z Can be Used as End-of-File (new agenda item)
Bob Ross introduced BUG55, authored by Matthew Flora. BUG55 describes a
situation that in older DOS and Windows based file, a control-Z can serve
as an End-of-File character. Sometimes these characters are incorrectly
inserted within a file. If they exist, further ibischk3 processing of the
file is terminated. The resolution is to set a flag to read Windows files in
binary mode. Then incorrect characters such as control-Z can be detected in
in a file in the same manner that they are now detected in Unix operating
systems.
Al Davis had some questions. Bob suggested reviewing BUG55 which is now
uploaded under
http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/bugs/ibischk/
to get a more precise description of the technical details.
Bob classified BUG55 as Annoying, Low, Open. The plan is to fix it, unless
some technical concerns are uncovered.
NEXT MEETING:
The next teleconference meeting will be on Friday, April 20, 2001, from
8:00 AM to 10:00 AM.
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NOTES
IBIS CHAIR: Bob Ross (503) 685-0732, Fax (503) 685-4897
bob_ross@mentor.com
Modeling Engineer, Mentor Graphics
8005 S.W. Boeckman Road, Wilsonville, OR 97070
VICE CHAIR: Stephen Peters (503) 264-4108, Fax: (503) 264-4515
stephen.peters@intel.com
Senior Hardware Engineer, Intel Corporation
M/S JF1-209
2111 NE 25th Ave.
Hillsboro, OR 97124-5961
SECRETARY: Guy de Burgh (805) 988-8250, Fax: (805) 988-8259
gdeburgh@innoveda.com
Senior Manager, Innoveda
1369 Del Norte Rd.
Camarillo, CA 93010-8437
LIBRARIAN: Roy Leventhal (837) 797-2152, Fax: (847) 222-2799
roy_leventhal@3com.com
Senior Engineer, CommWorks Corp. (a wholly owned 3Com subsidiary)
1800 W. Central Rd.
Mt. Prospect, IL 60056-2293
WEBMASTER: Syed Huq (408) 525-3399, Fax: (408) 526-5504
shuq@cisco.com
Manager, Hardware Engineering, Cisco Systems
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
POSTMASTER: John Angulo (425) 869-2320, Fax: (425) 881-1008
jangulo@innoveda.com
Development Engineer, Innoveda
14715 N.E. 95th Street, Suite 200
Redmond, WA 98052
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