ibis-users, This concerns driver buf delay in Cadence sigxp, so an experienced user would know the answers. I understand Rref, Cref, Vref are the ref load ckt elements - for a simulator to calculate buf delay. And the delay is measured at Vmeas. Questions... 1. In sigxp Results tab from simulation, does the "Propagation Delay" column already deduct the driver buf delay calculated? 2. What is the exact difference (in Preferences) between getting delays "from library" and "on the fly" ? I haven't seen any calculated buf delays in DML models, which would be gotten "from library". a. how are buf delays gotten from each source, library and on-the-fly ? b. what exactly is the usage difference after that? c. why would one choose one over the other? 3. If a driver model has no ref load ckt, why not just edit one into the ibis (from datasheet)? I could simulate into the ref load & Vref, but it seems more convenient to edit the ibis. What is the Cadence feature to view real world ref load waveforms, model integrity V-t ? Ie: does "falling (or rising) waveform" mean "with ref load" ? Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Bob Ross Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:56 PM To: RODRIGUEZ LECONA RAMIRO Cc: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-info@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Re: Question about Vref Hello Ramiro Lecona: The Vref value is set to the value that the Rref is connected (if it exists) for timing test load calibration, per the circuit specified in the data sheet. Older devices often used 500 ohms connected to ground. With higher speed technologies, 50 ohms might be connected to Vcc/2 per intended operation. For Opne_drain devices, Vref might be some higher voltage such as Vdd. For ECL and PECL, the Vref value is often 2 V below the supply voltage. So the Vref value is set to the value used for timing test load measurements and does vary according to data sheet informaiton. Bob RODRIGUEZ LECONA RAMIRO wrote: > > Hi, I am modeling some buffer and I have the question that follows: > Some vendors specify Vref subparameter as 0V, other as VDD and other > as VDD/2. What's the difference? Why do they use different values to > determine the propagation delay? > Thanks. > > Ramiro Lecona > -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 503-750-6481 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@teraspeed.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Tue Mar 8 16:13:18 2005
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