Nam, Your syntax looks fine to me. Capacitor C3 would be to an ideal ground. In fact, all capacitors are connected to an ideal ground, even in the transmission line case, where the capacitance is part of a transmission line that references ideal ground. Regards, Randy Randy Wolff SI Modeling Manager Signal Integrity R&D Group Micron Technology, Inc. ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Nguyen, Duynam Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:25 PM To: ibis@eda.org Cc: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] EBD file syntax Dear expert, I am trying to describe the following situation in an EBD file: a signal net that goes from a die pad to a package pin A9. Physically, this signal net consists of two traces. Each trace is on a different layer and they are connected together by a via which is modeled as a small capacitor of value c3 to ground. The die pad and the package pin are modeled by a series L and a grounded C. My EBD file attempt is depicted as follows [Path Description] SIGNAL_NAME Pin A9 Len = 0 L = l1 C = c1 / Len = length2 L=l2 C = c2 R=r2 / Len = 0 C = c3 / <== Allowed ? Len = length4 L=l4 C = c4 R=r4 / Len = 0 L = l5 C = c5 / Node DIE.5085 I have 2 questions: 1. About the representation of the capacitance c3 in the EBD file, do I violate any EBD file specification by doing this ? Assuming the specification allows it, would the capacitance c3 be interpreted as grounded or in-series ? 2. If the representation of the capacitance c3 as above is not allowed, can I take out the offending line and the rest is still permitted ? In other words, there are still two traces with an electrical discontinuity connecting them as follow: [Path Description] SIGNAL_NAME Pin A9 Len = 0 L = l1 C = c1 / Len = length2 L=l2 C = c2 R=r2 / Len = length4 L=l4 C = c4 R=r4 / Len = 0 L = l5 C = c5 / Node DIE.5085 Thank you much, Nam -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner <http://www.mailscanner.info/> , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, e-mail majordomo@eda-stds.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or e-mail a request to ibis-request@eda-stds.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda-stds.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Wed Aug 22 13:07:57 2007
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