Subject: RE: [IBIS] EIA IBIS Open Forum Minutes (05/31/02)
From: Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)
Date: Thu Jun 06 2002 - 12:55:56 PDT
To All:
There is more to be gained if the parser is open-source. As long as this
is not understood by the committee, nothing much will happen. Al and Kim H.
have put that very well in their Emails.
90% of model translations that are done uses a shareware that is getting
old. Once the parser is open-source, various Univs and IBIS community
can provide tools, checkers, validation schemes, display options,
top level GUI etc etc easily and that will further the IBIS cause.
You should ask yourself: Are you really trying to do something for
the IBIS community OR make the IBIS community follow the roadmap your
tool vendors are proposing..
I hope it's the former.
Syed
Cisco Systems, Inc
>From: Matthew Flora <mflora@innoveda.com>
>To: ibis@eda.org
>Subject: RE: [IBIS] EIA IBIS Open Forum Minutes (05/31/02)
>Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:39:01 -0400
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>Hi Al,
>
>> I guess that brings up another risk of keeping the official parser
>> closed-source. There is a risk that an unofficial open-source parser
>> may become more accepted than the official closed-source one.
>
>Making the committee parser open-source does not prevent this from
>happening.
>One could still write their own parser which might become more popular
than
>the original.
>
>> Actually, the current funding model doesn't work. There is more to
>> it than making a parser to a spec. The current model provides no
>> incentive for anyone but a proprietary EDA vendor to take any
>> interest in development. It is particularly offensive to the
>> academic and open source communities.
>
>Offensive or simply uninteresting or too expensive? Why would those
>communities be offended when the parser was not developed for them?
>
>> > ... Stephen Peters concurred, and he also reiterated his belief
>> > that the gatekeeper(s) must be committed to a stable and long
>> > term relationship with the IBIS Open Forum.
>>
>> Perhaps, but you need to consider why some people might have dropped
>> out, or have been dormant. I believe that the gatekeeper(s) must be
>> as impartial as possible, certainly not part of a vendor of
>> proprietary software. How about ... "the gatekeeper(s) must be
>> committed to a stable and long term relationship with open source
>> software and open standards." Even so, this role can be transferred
>> fairly easily.
>
>I doubt it is that black and white. I work for a vendor of proprietary
>software, yet I have requested and made fixes/enhancements to the parser
>simply because I got tired of builders of bad models telling me that the
>model
>wasn't a bad model because the Golden Parser didn't report anything wrong
>with it (e.g. it didn't catch [Ramp]s with infinite slopes).
>
>I don't care what happens to the source so long as some sense of order is
>maintained in its development and distribution. Since the IBIS Open Forum
>has provided the parser, I do feel that a Gatekeeper, if any, should be
>responsible to the committee.
>
>Best regards,
>Matthew Flora
>Innoveda, Inc. (soon to be Mentor Graphics)
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