RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loadsThe likely
problem with this model is the 1000 Ohm R_fixture used in the VT tables.

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  From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org]On Behalf Of
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:07 AM
  To: Itzik Peleg; Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org;
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  Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads


Itzik Peleg, Thanks for your concern. I think there is no such feedback.
Here, I am attaching the IBIS model. Thanks & Regards,Venu



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  From: Itzik Peleg [mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com]
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  Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads



  Hello Venu



  Just to add one more possibility doe's your buffer has a feedback?

  Could you attached the IBIS model, or show the I(V) and V(t) curves?



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  From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:49 PM
  To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads



  Todd,



  Thanks for your inputs.



  I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm
resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF) cases.
Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.



  Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.



  Once again thanks for your response.



  Best Reagrds,

  Venu





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
  To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads



  Venu,



  How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?



  Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two plots
are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks
like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...



  Todd.


  Todd Westerhoff
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  From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
  To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

  Hi Gurus,

  I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace the
5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page waveform of
attached PDF).

  Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

  Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

  Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                      ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

  Thanks & Best Regards,

  Venu

  <<ata4n1k_30pf.pdf>> <<ata4n1k_5pf.pdf>>



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