In practice, I would like to know how simulators such as Hyperlynx account for this C_comp? Does it exclude double-counting of the C_comp when performing rise/fall time domain simulations? Can someone from the tool vendor answer this question? Thanks, Sanjay Mehta Xilinx "Muranyi, Arpad" wrote: > Lee, > > The IBIS model's IV curve which determines its impedance > does not include any C_comp effects. The Vt curves which > are used to turn on and off the IV curves do include the > C_comp effect in their shape, but they do not effect the > DC nature of the IV curves. Therefore we do need to add > a capacitor to account for the capacitive nature of the > drivers (or receivers). As stated in another response, > this is necessary for getting the correct reflections > in the simulations when a wave hits the model. > > Arpad Muranyi > Intel Corporation > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On > Behalf Of lee yang > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:58 PM > To: ibis-users@eda.org > Subject: [IBIS-Users] C_Comp > > Hi, > Since the C_Comp effect is already embedded in the Spice model, hence, > the generation of IBIS model automatically includes the effect of it. I > am wondering, since the C_Comp effect is already included in the IBIS > model, why do we still need to put it in the IBIS file? Why it is so > important? > Thanks a lot. > -Lee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get an advanced look at the new version of MSN Messenger. > http://messenger.msn.com.my/Beta/Default.aspx > > |------------------------------------------------------------------ > |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just > > |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: > | > | help > | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> > | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> > | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> > | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> > | > |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. > | > |IBIS reflector archives exist under: > | > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 > > |------------------------------------------------------------------ > |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org > |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: > | > | help > | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> > | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> > | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> > | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> > | > |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. > | > |IBIS reflector archives exist under: > | > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Wed Mar 2 11:36:35 2005
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