Syed, At today's teleconference, I tried to clarify the suggestion I made for BIRD 95.2 yesterday. The BIRD does not explicitly state that it is not intended for modeling the I/O power distribution network on-die. The actual intent is to document the power node currents and provide an impedance model for the power nodes of the transistor-level buffer model. The goal, as Todd Westerhoff put it, is to substitute an IBIS behavioral description for the transistor-level buffer subcircuit inside whatever power distribution and packaging network you have available. However, the description for the C_p+b, ESR and ESL elements in the second diagram: | C_p+b - Bypass + Parasitic Capacitance | ESR - Equivalent Series Resistance for on-die Decap | ESL - Equivalent Series Inductance for on-die Decap and the presence of these elements apart from the pre-driver circuit might make it hard for a lot of readers to appreciate that these elements are a behavioral model of the decoupling within the driver and pre-driver. Surely, for accurate SSO simulation, we will sometimes have to consider the additional decoupling in the on-die power distribution network. The decoupling here is shared among multiple buffers, and of course it would not make sense to embed it into ZVDDQ elements, which are meant to be replicated at every instance of the buffer, i.e. "scaled" with the size of the SSO simulation. You already made this point in slide 7 of your DesignCon presentation with Vinu and Zhiping. My suggestion is to make this distinction between what we're doing in BIRD 95 and what we leave to other BIRD's or techniques more explicit in the text. Thanks, John Angulo Software Development Engineer Hyperlynx Products Mentor Graphics Corp. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Fri Mar 11 11:07:26 2005
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