Hello All! I hoped for reactions on my last email regarding BIRD97 and the u_th. Since I didn't see any responses I would like to clarify two aspects: A) u_th At the first glance, it seems that the u_th is a sensitive parameter, that vendors don't want to reveal. But if you take the formula for long channel: u_th = u_th0 + gamma*[(2*phi_F + U_SB)**0.5 - (2*phi_F)**0.5] were u_th0, gamma, phi_F und U_SB are unknown parameters which describe the process you can see that it is not possible to derive them from the known u_th. B) Comparison of real and calculated I_inst concrete example: vcc=3.3V, I_pd(3.3V) = 50mA, u_th=1.5V real I_inst(U_inst): U_inst/V |I_inst/mA (I_real) --------------- 3.0 | 42 | 2.7 | 33 | 2.0 | 14 | 1.5 | 0 | 1.0 | 0 | with Pc calculated I_inst(U_inst) at different U_extract: U_inst/V | I_inst/mA (I_pc) U_extract/V |3.0 |2.7 |2.0 |1.5 |1.0 | Pc |0.92|0.81|0.46|0.00|0.00| -------------------------------------- 3.0 | 42 | 37 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 2.7 | 38 | 33 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | 28 | 25 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | 21 | 19 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 14 | 13 | 7 | 0 | 0 | deviation of the calculated I_inst(U_inst) to the real current: U_inst/V | (1 - I_pc/I_real)*100 | U_extract/V | 3.0 | 2.7 | 2.0 | 1.5 | 1.0 | ------------------------------------------- 3.0 | 0% | +12%| +50%|+100%|+100%| 2.7 |-15% | 0%| +42%|+100%|+100%| 2.0 |-100%| -6%| 0%|+100%|+100%| 1.5 | >> | >> | >> | 0%| 0%| 1.0 | >> | >> | >> | 0%| 0%| >> = infinite 1) All percent-values with a negativ sign (-) represent cases were the simulation will show fewer errors than in real. ==> hidden errors 2) All percent-values with a positiv sign (+) represent cases were the simulation will show more errors than in real. ==> useless design effort 3) The table shows, that you get huge current deviations if calculated with the Power_coeff. 4) The formula is not applicable in the region below the value of u_th (infinite or +100%). Katja |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | subscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis <optional e-mail address, if different> | unsubscribe ibis-users <optional e-mail address, if different> | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993Received on Tue Mar 29 12:17:02 2005
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