From owner-ibis Tue Jan 5 11:43:33 1999 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA15255 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-209-79-182-28.vntrcs.pacbell.net [209.79.182.28]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id LAA28908; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:38:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36926A32.C9EDE373@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:38:27 -0800 From: Jon Powell Reply-To: jpowell@viewlogic.com Organization: Viewlogic Consulting Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis@vhdl.org Subject: DesignCON Logo status Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------61FD891D1BCC2618EC5463A4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------61FD891D1BCC2618EC5463A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the latest status sheet on the logos for the Designcon sign. Most everyone is done. If you think your company should be on here and it isn't (or if the status isn't what you think it should be), Please contact me ASAP. Companies that are NOT on this list have not indicated any interest to participate. regards, jon Interest LOGO LOGO GOOD Responsible For Delivery Apsim Yes YES Jon Incases Yes YES Jon Xilinx Yes YES Jon NCSU Yes YES Jon Hyperlynx Yes YES Jon Viewlogic yes YES Jon Cadence YES YES Jon Mentor YES YES Jon Intel NO NA INTEL Altera NO NA ??? HP YES YES Jon Cypress YES YES Jon Compaq YES YES Jon Veribest YES YES Jon National NO NA National (milt Schwartz) Cisco YES NO Syed TI NO NA ??? IBIS YES NO Jon --------------61FD891D1BCC2618EC5463A4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jon Powell Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Jon Powell n: Powell;Jon org: Viewlogic Consulting Services adr: 1369 Del Norte Rd.;;;Camarillo;CA;93010;USA email;internet: jonp@pacbell.net title: Manager High Speed Design Services tel;work: 805 988 8250 tel;fax: 805 988 8259 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------61FD891D1BCC2618EC5463A4-- From owner-ibis Wed Jan 6 16:37:50 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA19400 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id QAA11393; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id QAA00642; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA03300; Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:32:19 PST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:32:19 PST Message-Id: <9901070032.AA03300@bob> To: Milt.Schwartz@nsc.com, scott@vasthorizons.com Subject: Re: IBIS DESIGNCON99 SUMMIT ANNOUNCEMENT Cc: ibis@eda.org, ibis_users@eda.org.org Scott: The time is corrected below to be 8:30 AM to 5 PM Bob Ross Mentor Graphics > To: Milt Schwartz > CC: ibis_users@vhdl.org > Subject: Re: IBIS DESIGNCON99 SUMMIT ANNOUNCEMENT > Milt, > Could you please clarify the time. > Did you mean to indicate: > 8:30 am to 5 pm > or 5pm to 8 pm? > Regards, > Scott > Milt Schwartz wrote: > > To All: > > > > This is the second call for presentations and participation at the > > IBIS Summit Meeting held with DesignCon99. Please notify me > > if you are planning to attend. > > > > Milt Schwartz > > National Semiconductor > > Phone: 408-721-3261 > > Email: schwartz@nsc.com > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > DESIGNCON99 IBIS SUMMIT CALL FOR PARTICIPATION, PRESENTATIONS > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G > > > > Time/Date: 8:30 AM - 5:00 PM, Monday, February 1, 1999 > > > > Location: Santa Clara Convention Center > > & The Westin Santa Clara Hotel (for luncheon buffet) > > Santa Clara, CA > > > > Content: Exchange of ideas on IBIS accuracy, connectors, IMIC, new > > requirements, etc. > > > > Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. > > > > Sponsors: DesignCon99 & National Semiconductor Corporation > > > > IBIS Summit Signup: > > Milt Schwartz > > schwartz@nsc.com > > From owner-ibis Fri Jan 8 13:18:43 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA25009 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:18:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id NAA21995; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id NAA15131; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA05968; Fri, 8 Jan 99 13:13:14 PST Date: Fri, 8 Jan 99 13:13:14 PST Message-Id: <9901082113.AA05968@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS MEETING AGENDA 1/15/99 IBIS Open Forum Meeting Agenda for 1/15/99 Bridge Number Reservation # Passcode (916) 356-9200 4-213768 9879517 All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM Pacific Time. When you call into the meeting, ask for the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Will Hobbs and give the Reservation Number and Passcode. 8:00 Check-In, Intros, Announcements Ross - Intros of New IBIS Participants, Meeting Quorum Ross - Membership Update and Treasurers Report Rusher - Review of Previous Meeting's Minutes (and ARs) Ross - Miscellany/Announcements All - Press & Web Page Updates Huq, All - New Models Available, Library Update Powell, All - Opens for New Issues All 8:15 Administrative and Project Discussions General Administration Ross/Rusher - Minutes & Archives - Membership Renewal - DAC99 Booth International/External Progress - IEC 62014-1 (IBIS Version 2.1) Rusher - pr EIAJ ED-5302 Standard for I/O Interface Model for Integrated Circuits (IMIC) Raghuram/Ross - 93/67/NP IBIS and EMC Simulation Perrin - JEDEC JC-16.2 Modeling and Testing Sessions - IEEE P1537 Data Format Project Peters IBIS (East) Users Group Meetings Haller/Zanella/Edlund DesignCon99 February 1, 1999 Summit Meeting/Booth Ross/Rokusek/Rusher - Meeting - Booth/Logos DATE99 March 9, 1998 IBIS Summit Meeting Ross IBIS Version 3.2 Ratification (Vote) Ross - Discussion - Vote - EIA Standard Preparations IBISCHK3 Version 3.2.2 Ross/Flora/Rokusek - Source, Executables Tektronix IPA510 Software Proposal Discussion Huq Cookbook Status Peters IBIS Model Review Committee Flora New Administrative Issues All 9:30 Technical Discussion New Technical Issues All 9:50 Wrap Up and Next Meetings Plans Peters 9:55 Sign Off From owner-ibis Mon Jan 11 19:45:26 1999 Received: from mail.easystreet.com (easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA00631 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dial-56-069.easystreet.com (dial-35-143.easystreet.com [206.103.35.143]) by mail.easystreet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA25717; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by dial-56-069.easystreet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE3D99.CC187C80@dial-56-069.easystreet.com>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:37:17 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE3D99.CC187C80@dial-56-069.easystreet.com> From: Dima Smolyansky To: "ibis@eda.org" , "si-list@silab.Eng.Sun.COM" Subject: Interconnect modeling from measurements Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:36:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by server.eda.org id TAA00632 Hello: This is a press release that TDA Systems submitted to several electronics trade magazines regarding our IConnect(tm) TDR measurement-based interconnect modeling software. I thought that this group might find it informative in light of recent discussions of IPA-510 product. I apologize in advance if anybody does not find this information useful to them or appropriate for this discussion group. Interconnect Measurement and Modeling Software IConnect(tm) interconnect modeling software dramatically simplifies equivalent circuit model extraction from Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR) measurements. Using data acquired through a GPIB interface to a Tektronix 11801/CSA803 or a Hewlett Packard 54750A/54120 oscilloscope, IConnect(tm) computes the true impedance profile of the Device Under Test (DUT) and extracts impedance, capacitance and inductance values for the device discontinuities. IConnect(tm) automatically generates a SPICE netlist for the DUT, which can be directly used for system level simulations. An integrated interface to PSPICE allows model simulation and verification without leaving the framework of the IConnect(tm) software. The measured and simulated waveforms are compared in the same waveform viewer, where waveform math and filtering can be used for further analysis of discrepancies between the simulation and measurement. To ensure customer success with the IConnect(tm) modeling software, TDA Systems provides assistance with on-site training and consulting on TDR measurements, probing and fixturing solutions. IConnect(tm) runs on Windows NT/98/95 and is available March 15, 1999. US list price: $12,995 per license. Annual maintenance agreements and multi-site discounts are available. For more information, contact Dima Smolyansky at (503) 977-3629, or visit the company web site at www.tdasystems.com. TDA Systems, Inc., Portland, OR (503) 977-3629 Thanks, -Dima ============================ Dima Smolyansky TDA Systems, Inc. 7465 SW Elmwood St. Portland, OR 97223 (503) 977-3629 (503) 245-5684 (fax) dima@tdasystems.com http://www.tdasystems.com The Interconnect Modeling Company(tm) From owner-ibis Tue Jan 12 10:36:17 1999 Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA02930 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id SAA17312; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:31:18 GMT Received: from xtg801.pdx.intel.com (xtg801.pdx.intel.com [134.134.114.35]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13124; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:31:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ichips.intel.com by xtg801.pdx.intel.com (8.8.8/WW2.2 (Jones Farm)) id KAA18310; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:31:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901121831.KAA18310@xtg801.pdx.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "ibis@eda.org" Cc: Dima Smolyansky Subject: Re: Interconnect modeling from measurements In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:36:55 PST." <01BE3D99.CC187C80@dial-56-069.easystreet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:31:16 -0800 From: Stephen Peters Hello Everyone: This is just a friendly reminder that product announcements, including discussions of specific product features and/or product comparisons are not appropriate on either the ibis@eda.org or ibis-users@eda.org reflectors. Reflector discussions should be limited to IBIS technical or use issues only. Please note that the the SI-List reflector is available for product announcements, help wanted ads, and the like. Thanks for your cooperation. Regards, Stephen Peters Intel Corp. Vice Chair, EIA/IBIS Open Forum From owner-ibis Tue Jan 12 11:52:33 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA03159 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id LAA29098; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id LAA16812; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:47:01 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA09258; Tue, 12 Jan 99 11:47:02 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 11:47:02 PST Message-Id: <9901121947.AA09258@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS Version 3.2 Vote To IBIS Members: This is a reminder that we are planning a ratification vote for IBIS Version 3.2 at the Friday, January 15, 1999 teleconference meeting. The voting copy IBIS Version 3.2 Specification is available for downloading at: http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/wip/ver3_2.txt Also a development copy showing the changes is available at http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/wip/ver3.2f.ibs Please review the documents in preparation for the vote. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics From owner-ibis Tue Jan 12 13:30:42 1999 Received: from mail.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA03404 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from tensor ([192.168.148.75]) by mail.hyperlynx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19402 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:25:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990112132739.00a113a0@mail.nwlink.com> X-Sender: mbflora@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:39 -0100 To: ibis@eda.org From: Matthew Flora Subject: Missing V/I tables in models Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I noticed today that the Golden IBIS Parser will not complain if an output buffer contains no V/I tables. I consider such a model rather useless. Am I being naive? If not, then should the parser have generated an error? Regards, Matthew Flora Senior Engineer HyperLynx (425) 869-2320 PH (425) 881-1008 FAX mbflora@hyperlynx.com From owner-ibis Tue Jan 12 18:04:36 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA04105 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id RAA22561; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id RAA12242; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA09550; Tue, 12 Jan 99 17:59:04 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 99 17:59:04 PST Message-Id: <9901130159.AA09550@bob> To: ibis@eda.org, mbflora@hyperlynx.com Subject: Re: Missing V/I tables in models Cc: bob_ross@mentorg.com Matthew: Per our discussion, we received the formal Bug report, and it will be logged as BUG34. Thank you for submitting it and doing some additional checks on it. For general information, the parser defect exists in all versions of IBISCHK. Input and Terminator models do not require any V/I tables. However, the parsers do not check for the existence of tables for the model types that require tables - such as Output models. I plan to add discussion of BUG34 to the agenda at the January 15, 1999 meeting. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:39 -0100 > To: ibis@eda.org > From: Matthew Flora > Subject: Missing V/I tables in models > Hello, > I noticed today that the Golden IBIS Parser will not complain if an output > buffer contains no V/I tables. I consider such a model rather useless. Am I > being naive? If not, then should the parser have generated an error? > Regards, > Matthew Flora > Senior Engineer > HyperLynx > (425) 869-2320 PH > (425) 881-1008 FAX > mbflora@hyperlynx.com From owner-ibis Wed Jan 13 07:04:22 1999 Received: from texmicro.com (texmicro.com [204.95.135.19]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA06107 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from x2.texmicro.com (x2.texmicro.com [204.95.135.151]) by texmicro.com (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21711 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:59:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by x2.texmicro.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:12 -0600 Message-ID: From: Fred Dehkordi To: "'ibis@eda.org'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain unsubscribe From owner-ibis Wed Jan 13 14:41:21 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA07131; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id OAA21638; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id OAA21717; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA10271; Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:35:51 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 99 14:35:51 PST Message-Id: <9901132235.AA10271@bob> To: ibis-users@eda.org, ibis@eda.org, si-list@silab.eng.sun.com Subject: DATE99/IBIS SUMMIT ANNOUNCEMENT To All: Last year we had a very successful European IBIS Summit Meeting. This year we are again holding a meeting along with DATE99 on Tuesday, March 9, 1999. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is open to everyone and will start with a Lunch at Noon to allow some attendees to arrive in Munich that morning. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentations. Best Regards Bob Ross Mentor Graphics E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I R S T A N N O U N C E M E N T Time/Date: 12 PM - 6 PM, Tuesday, March 9, 1999 Location: ASTRON HOTEL/Neue Messe Eggenfeldener Strasse 100 Munich, Germany This is a hotel near the DATE99 Conference Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Sponsors: Mentor Graphics, INCASES DATE99 Show: DATE99 - March 9 - 12, 1999. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day before the DATE99 trade show begins. Location: International Congress Center, Munich, Germany See www.date-conference.com for more information. PCB Symposium: An all day symposium is scheduled Thursday, March 11, 1999, on PCB design issues, on site at DATE99. BACKGROUND Last year we had a very successful European IBIS Summit Meeting. This year we plan to expand the scope to include: Submitted Presentations on IBIS Topics (See below) Information about IBIS Version 3.2 Less formal Ad Hoc Presentations and Discussions IBIS Questions and Answers Below is an invitation to register and also to submit presentations. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, February 26, 1999): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Karine Loudet (karine_loudet@mentor.com) +33 1 40 94 74 54 CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some suggested subjects of interest are: IBIS Model Development Experiences Generating IBIS Models Validating IBIS Models Future IBIS Requirements EMC/EMI IBIS Issues Format of Presentation: Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat. Electronic presentations should be made available by February 26, 1999. Otherwise the presentor will be expected to provide 50 copies for distribution. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to: Bob Ross (bob_ross@mentor.com) AGENDA The meeting will start with a Lunch (supplied) at Noon and then begin with the presentations and discussions at 1 PM. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Bob Ross, Chair, EIA/IBIS Open Forum Mentor Graphics 8005 S.W. Boeckman Road Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 USA (503) 685-0732 bob_ross@mentor.com From owner-ibis Fri Jan 15 11:30:44 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA13055 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id LAA25974; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id LAA28765; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA11878; Fri, 15 Jan 99 11:25:11 PST Date: Fri, 15 Jan 99 11:25:11 PST Message-Id: <9901151925.AA11878@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS Distribution of IPA510 Software To IBIS Members: At the January 15, 1999 IBIS Teleconferencing Meeting we had a split vote on whether or not the IBIS community should distribute the Tektronix IPA510 software executable. The vote was conducted under pressure as we were running out of time. The message is that this is still a controversial topic with many good pro and con arguments. After consulting with Syed Huq, we have decided to put the discussion high on the meeting agenda of the February 19, 1999 IBIS Open Forum Meeting. Now that IBIS Version 3.2 is ratified, we can devote a substantial amount of time to this discussion. Per our policy on formal voting, we are pre-announcing this discussion and vote leading to a final resolution of this issue. This allows all interested parties to plan for this meeting. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 11:27:23 1999 Received: from mage.dt.wdc.com (mage.dt.wdc.com [129.253.40.1]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA22337 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cygnus.dt.wdc.com (root@[172.31.1.2]) by mage.dt.wdc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02003 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dt.wdc.com (jocasta [172.31.10.14]) by cygnus.dt.wdc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18661; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:22:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36A4DB51.FB408D43@dt.wdc.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:21:53 -0800 From: steve johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis@vhdl.org, johnson@dt.wdc.com Subject: Using Ibis models in hspice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. An example would also suffice. To all, I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality controlled using behavioral statements? Thanks in advance. Regards, Steve Johnson From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 14:36:42 1999 Received: from mail.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA22640 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kellee98 ([192.168.148.110]) by mail.hyperlynx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA32373; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:53:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199901192153.NAA32373@mail.hyperlynx.com> X-Sender: kellee@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:53:06 -0800 To: steve johnson , ibis@vhdl.org, johnson@dt.wdc.com From: Kellee Crisafulli Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice In-Reply-To: <36A4DB51.FB408D43@dt.wdc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by server.eda.org id OAA22641 Hi Steve, This is a question for the simulator company you are using and should not appear on this IBIS reflector. Please redirect you question directly to your simulator company. At 11:21 AM 1/19/99 -0800, steve johnson wrote: >To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector >message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. >An example would also suffice. > > >To all, > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality >controlled using behavioral statements? >Thanks in advance. >Regards, Steve Johnson > --------------------------------------------------------- Have a great day.... Kellee Crisafulli at HyperLynx SI,EMC,X-talk and IBIS tools for the Windows platform E-mail: web:   --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 16:34:35 1999 Received: from stortek.stortek.com (stortek.stortek.com [129.80.22.249]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA22934 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hp7013.ecae.stortek.com (root@hp7013.ecae.stortek.com [129.80.190.9]) by stortek.stortek.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05940 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smonroe (smonroe.stortek.com [129.80.65.135]) by hp7013.ecae.stortek.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id RAA14444 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:29:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36A522A3.613D@stortek.COM> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:26:11 -0700 From: "steve_monroe@stortek.COM" Reply-To: steve_monroe@stortek.COM Organization: e e . e c a e X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis@eda.org Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kellee Crisafulli wrote: >Hi Steve, > > This is a question for the simulator company you >are using and should not appear on this IBIS reflector. >Please redirect you question directly to your simulator >company. > I disagree completely. I have been looking forward to someone responding to this question all day. I think that this reflector needs to go beyond what the latest BIRDS are, or whats going on with a trade show. No invective intended toward BIRDS or trade shows. This group is supposedly a group of IBIS experts, which likely have expertise as it relates to the question below. I don't understand how the question posed violates the reflector's purpose. > > At 11:21 AM 1/19/99 -0800, steve johnson wrote: >To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector >message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. >An example would also suffice. > > >To all, > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality >controlled using behavioral statements? >Thanks in advance. >Regards, Steve Johnson -- web: http://ee.ecae/pages/SM/docs/sm_home.html vox: 1.303.673.4938 fax: 1.303.673.2784 pgr: 1.800.217.9371 From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 19:01:01 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA23379; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id SAA11966; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id SAA24980; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:55:28 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA16586; Tue, 19 Jan 99 18:55:25 PST Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 18:55:25 PST Message-Id: <9901200255.AA16586@bob> To: ibis-users@eda.org, ibis@eda.org, steve_monroe@stortek.com Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice Cc: johnson@dt.wdc.com, kellee@hyperlynx.com, si-list@silab.eng.sun.com To Steve Johnson, Kellee, and Steve Monroe and All: Spice implementations of IBIS is a topic of general interest. It has been discussed at meetings and briefly on the IBIS reflectors. Also, several comparison studies with Spice simulations have been discussed at meetings. Vendor specific issues such as HSPICE offerings should be discussed on the Signal Integrity reflector (where the message was also sent) or with the vendor directly. The question related directly to HSPICE, which is one vendor's commercial implementation of Spice. As a general policy, the IBIS reflectors avoid vendor-specific discussions because of EIA guidelines. However, I believe that implementations of IBIS in Spice using behavioral constructs that are commonly available in several Spices is an appropriate topic for ibis-users@eda.org reflector. The formats for tables seem to be unique for different commercial versions of Spice, so the discussion may have to use one vendor's Spice for illustration. However, since the tables can be translated or made equivalent in other versions of Spice, I feel the substance of the discussion is sufficiently generic. I refer to the following documents which are archived for further reference on this issue of behavioral implementation of IBIS in Spice. http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/feb98/unger.zip and the IBIS email reflector archives of October 1997 which shows a prototype implementation. http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/email97/email.oct97 Best Regards, Bob Ross Mentor Graphics Chair., EIA IBIS Open Forum > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:26:11 -0700 > From: "steve_monroe@stortek.COM" > To: ibis@eda.org > Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice > Kellee Crisafulli wrote: > >Hi Steve, > > > > This is a question for the simulator company you > >are using and should not appear on this IBIS reflector. > >Please redirect you question directly to your simulator > >company. > > > I disagree completely. I have been looking forward > to someone responding to this question all day. > I think that this reflector needs to go beyond what > the latest BIRDS are, or whats going on with a trade > show. No invective intended toward BIRDS or trade > shows. > This group is supposedly a group of IBIS experts, which > likely have expertise as it relates to the question > below. > > I don't understand how the question posed violates the > reflector's purpose. > > > > > At 11:21 AM 1/19/99 -0800, steve johnson wrote: > >To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector > >message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. > >An example would also suffice. > > > > > >To all, > > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited > >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of > >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when > >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which > >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the > >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like > >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality > >controlled using behavioral statements? > >Thanks in advance. > >Regards, Steve Johnson > -- > web: http://ee.ecae/pages/SM/docs/sm_home.html > vox: 1.303.673.4938 > fax: 1.303.673.2784 > pgr: 1.800.217.9371 From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 19:02:57 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA23387 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id SAA12047; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:57:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id SAA25094; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:57:25 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA16589; Tue, 19 Jan 99 18:57:24 PST Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 18:57:24 PST Message-Id: <9901200257.AA16589@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: Forwarded: 3rd IBIS/DesignCon99 ANNOUNCEMENT To All: I am forwarding this message to the ibis@eda.org reflector as well, since this is where the official business meetings are announced. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics Date: 19 Jan 1999 17:55:47 -0800 From: Milt Schwartz To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: 3rd IBIS/DesignCon99 ANNOUNCEMENT To All: This is the third call for presentations and participation at the IBIS Summit Meeting held with DesignCon99. We are starting to develop an exciting program of presentations and discussions. The deadline to get presentations to me is Monday, January 25, 1999 if you want me to make copies. Please notify me if you are planning to attend for an accurate luncheon count. Milt Schwartz National Semiconductor Phone: 408-721-3261 Email: schwartz@nsc.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------- DESIGNCON99 IBIS SUMMIT CALL FOR PARTICIPATION, PRESENTATIONS ------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: 8:30 AM - 5:00 PM, Monday, February 1, 1999 Location: Grand Ballroom G Santa Clara Convention Center & The Westin Santa Clara Hotel (for luncheon buffet) Santa Clara, CA Content: Exchange of ideas on IBIS accuracy, connectors, IMIC, new requirements, etc. Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Sponsors: DesignCon99 & National Semiconductor Corporation IBIS Summit Signup: Milt Schwartz schwartz@nsc.com D E S I G N C O N 9 9 M E E T I N G S Time/Date: Monday - Thursday, February 1 - 4, 1999 Exhibition: Tuesday - Wednesday, 12 PM - 7 PM, February 2 - 3, 1999 IBIS Booth: #250, Exhibition Hall - Accuracy Committee Demonstration - IBIS Information - Contact Jon Powell, jonp@qdt.com, for information. URL DesignCon99: http://www.designcon.com Signup Discount: Up to 5 people from IBIS member companies may receive a 10 percent discount to DesignCon99. CALL FOR IBIS SUMMIT PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some planned and expected presentations and discussions so far include: The IBIS Accuracy Specification: Status and Direction Greg Edlund, IBM Practical Use of IBIS Models and Accuracy Studies Fabrizio Zanella, EMC Validation of IBIS Based Two Waveform Models Bernhard Unger, Siemens AG. IMIC Status and Validation Norio Matsui and Raj Raghuram IBIS Version 3.2 Overview Stephen Peters, Intel IBIS Future Needs Discussion Stephen Peters, Intel Extensions to IBIS Input Modeling D.C. Sessions, VLSI Technology IBIS Connector BIRD Summary Kellee Chrisafulli, Hyperlynx Format of Presentation: Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Preferred format is PowerPoint or Word. If you cannot provide an electronic format, then plan to bring 50 copies for distribution at the meeting. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to: Milt Schwartz schwartz@nsc.com Deadline: Monday, January 25, 1999 AGENDA The agenda includes presentations, discussions, refreshments, and a free buffet luncheon for participants. In addition, we will have an opportunity for Ad Hoc presentations and extended discussions. regards, milt Milt Schwartz Interface Applications Phone: 408-721-3261 Fax: 408-721-4785 Mail Stop: A2595 From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 19:09:13 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA23406 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id TAA12335; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id TAA25570; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA16596; Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:03:39 PST Date: Tue, 19 Jan 99 19:03:39 PST Message-Id: <9901200303.AA16596@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS Version 3.2 To All: I have uploaded the IBIS Version 3.2 documents per revisions approved at the January 15, 1999 meeting to http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/ver3.2. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics From owner-ibis Tue Jan 19 19:52:13 1999 Received: from mail.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA23457 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:52:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tensor ([192.168.148.75]) by mail.hyperlynx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01587 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:47:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990119194917.009f47e0@mail.nwlink.com> X-Sender: mbflora@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:49:17 -0100 To: ibis@eda.org From: Matthew Flora Subject: IBIS Open Forum Minutes 15 Jan 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by server.eda.org id TAA23458 DATE: 1/19/99 SUBJECT: 1/15/99 EIA IBIS Open Forum Minutes VOTING MEMBERS AND 1999 PARTICIPANTS LIST: AMP (Martin Freedman) Applied Simulation Technology Raj Raghuram* Cadence Design Mike LaBonte* Cisco Systems Syed Huq* Compaq (Bob Haller), Cypress (Rajesh Manapat) H.A.S. Electronics (Haruny Said) Hewlett Packard (EEsof, etc.) (Karl Kachigan) High Design Technology (Razvan Ene) HyperLynx Matthew Flora* Incases Olaf Rethmeier* Intel Corporation Stephen Peters*, Arpad Muranyi*, Frank Kern*, Martin Chang*, Dave Moxley*, Kerry Nelson*, Jeff Day* LSI Logic (Symbios Logic) (Larry Barnes) Mentor Graphics Bob Ross* Mitsubishi (Tam Cao) Motorola (Ron Werner) National Semiconductor Milt Schwartz* North East Systems Associates (Edward Sayre) NEC (Hiroshi Matsumoto) Quantic EMC (Mike Ventham) Texas Instruments (Jean-Claude Perrin) Thomson-CSF (Jean Lebrun) Viewlogic Chris Rokusek*, (Jon Powell) VeriBest (Ian Dodd) VLSI Technology D.C. Sessions* Zuken-Redac (John Berrie) OTHER PARTICIPANTS IN 1999: Avanti Nik Bannov* EIA Patti Rusher* IBM Greg Edlund*, Michael Cohen* Time Domain Analysis Systems Dima Smolyansky* In the list above, attendees at the meeting are indicated by *. Principal members or other active members who have not attended are in parentheses. Participants who no longer are in the organization are in square brackets. Upcoming Meetings: The bridge numbers for future IBIS teleconferences are as follows: Date Bridge Number Reservation # Passcode Monday, February 1, 1999 IBIS Summit Meeting - No Teleconference February 19, 1999 To Be Determined Tuesday, March 9, 1999 IBIS Summit Meeting - No Teleconference All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM Pacific Time. We try to have agendas out 7 days before each Open Forum and meeting minutes out within 7 days after. When you call into the meeting, ask for the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Will Hobbs and give the reservation number and passcode. NOTE: "AR" = Action Required. -------------------------------- MINUTES ------------------------------------- INTRODUCTIONS AND MEETING QUORUM Jeff Day from Intel introduced himself and stated that he is in technical marketing and is involved in distributing IBIS models. Kerry Nelson, also from Intel, is involved in engineering and is developing IBIS models. Michael Cohen from IBM stated that he called into the January 14, 1999 IBIS User's Group meeting and is involved from a user's perspective. He wants to see that correct IBIS Models are being sent out. He has been encouraged to get involved with the IBIS Open Forum. MEMBERSHIP UPDATE AND TREASURER'S REPORT Patti Rusher stated that the end of the year accounting is still being done. She expects that the IBIS Committee will be $1200 over her budget, but some new members will help make up the difference. Patti stated she will do the 1999 membership invoices by hand and work off line with Bob Ross to check where invoices are being directed since there was a data base corruption problem in 1998. Patti stated that she cannot attend the DesignCon99 IBIS Summit meeting as in the past because of a conflicting meeting. So, Bob recommended that she mail the invoices, once they are checked. Patti is still working on the budget for 1999. Bob stated that the membership fee will remain at $500. (This is low but much of our activity is funded by direct support from members.) REVIEW OF MINUTES AND AR'S No corrections. The ARs will be discussed during the meeting. MISCELLANY/ANNOUNCEMENTS None. PRESS AND WEB PAGE UPDATES Syed Huq noted that the Cisco, Compaq and Viewlogic logos have been updated on the Poster page, and several events have been updated on the Upcoming Events page. Added After the Meeting: Bob Ross reports that an article "Analyzing EMC Behavior" by Peter Wolfers in the January 1999 issue of Printed Circuit Design mentions IBIS as an enabling factor in EMC and EMI prediction. Also added after the meeting: Bob adds that Matthew Flora sent out a note on the IBIS reflectors that the free Visual IBIS Editor from HyperLynx, available from the EIA IBIS Web site, has been updated and is also available at: http://www.hyperlynx.com/vis_ibis.html NEW MODELS AVAILABLE, LIBRARY UPDATE No new models were reported. OPENS FOR NEW ISSUES Bob Ross added these issues: BUG34 - No Error Reported for Missing V/I Table in Output Buffers BUG35 - Model Spec Crash Related to Vinl and Vinh being Specified GENERAL ADMINISTRATION Bob Ross reported that the last minutes for 1998 are archived under http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/minutes/min1998/m121898.txt and it contains the 1998 list of IBIS participants and member companies. The 1999 minutes published here starts tracking the 1999 participation. It retains the Voting Member Companies, but add to the Other Participants list when people call in. Bob noted that there are currently 26 Voting Members. Patti Rusher stated that EIA is again providing a booth at the Design Automation Conference in 1999. The 1998 booth was very successful, and the 1999 booth will be at a very advantageous location with great traffic. Participating organizations are expected to fund the booth at a cost of at least $5000 per organization. Bob asked if this fee could be taken out of our normal incoming funds. Patti stated that this was possible, and she can put it into the IBIS budget. Bob agreed that IBIS will participate in the EIA booth. INTERNATIONAL/EXTERNAL PROGRESS - IEC 62014-1 (IBIS Version 2.1) - Patti Rusher reported that IEC has circulated IBIS Version 2.1 on November 6, 1998. The Committee Draft for Vote (CDV) closes ballot on April 15, 1999. - pr EIAJ ED-5302 Standard for I/O Interface Model for Integrated Circuits (IMIC) - Bob Ross had no report. - IEC 93/67/NP IBIS and EMC Simulation - Bob Ross reports that Jean-Claude Perrin sent email stating that with the help of the EMC Texas Instruments team a first attempt has been made to create an EMC IBIS file based on an IBIS style syntax. Jean-Claude will be discussing this proposal with his UTE (French standard body) team. After this evaluation, he will send the document to the international EMC task force. He is planning to set up an international experts meeting. - JC-16.2 Subcommittee: Modeling and Test - Bob Ross had no report. - IEEE P1537 Electronic Data Format Project (Previously listed as the Standard Component Data Sheet) - Stephen Peters had no further report. IBIS (EAST) USERS GROUP MEETINGS Greg Edlund reported that the IBIS Users group held a meeting on site at North East System Associates (NESA) on Thursday, November 14, 1999. Several people including Greg called in. Greg mentioned that the main topics at the meeting were the IBIS Connector Model status, the IBIS Accuracy Specification status and preparation for the DesignCon99 IBIS Summit meeting. Greg noted that he plans to supply an updated version of the Accuracy Specification document and also some IBIS test board files. Syed Huq stated that there is a accuracy directory on eda.org/pub/ibis for that purpose, and Greg could upload the files. However, Bob stated that he cannot distribute the passwords, so Greg needs to work with Syed or Bob to upload the documents. Greg reported that a suggestion was made at the User Group meeting that meetings be conducted via teleconferencing, similar to the IBIS Open Forum meetings. Greg asked whether EIA would fund the meetings. Bob noted that the EIA IBIS Open Forum meetings are privately funded. After some discussion regarding content of such teleconferencing meetings, Bob suggested that this be discussed further at the IBIS Summit meeting at DesignCon99 as an agenda item. DESIGNCON99 FEBRUARY 1, 1999 SUMMIT MEETING Bob Ross reported that the IBIS Summit meeting is scheduled on Monday, February 1, 1999 and will be held in the Grand Ballroom G. The EIA IBIS Open Forum is an Associate Sponsor of DesignCon99. While, the program is still being formulated, Bob noted these planned and tentative presentations: IBIS Connector BIRD Summary Kellee Crisafulli, HyperLynx The IBIS Accuracy Specification: Status and Direction Greg Edlund, IBM Practical Use of IBIS Models and Accuracy Studies Fabrizio Zanella, EMC IBIS Futures Stephen Peters, Intel Tentative IBIS Version 3.2 Overview Stephen Peters, Intel Extensions to IBIS Input Modeling D.C. Sessions, VLSI Technology Tentative Presentation on IMIC and Accuracy Raj Raghuram, Applied Simulation Technology Arpad Muranyi suggested that future extensions to IBIS be discussed, and Bob noted that Stephen Peters's presentation could be the basis for such as discussion. Milt Schwartz is taking care of lunch arrangements, hosted by National Semiconductor, at a room at the Westin Santa Clara Hotel. Milt reports that he has made reservations for 50 people. So far he has about 25 people signed up. Milt would like people who want National to make copies of their presentations to send them to Milt by Monday, January 25, 1999. He prefers Power Point or Word formats. Bob noted that Milt could make copies of the Accuracy Specification document. Milt plans to send out another reminder to the IBIS reflectors. [Done] Bob wanted the meeting location to be mentioned in this reminder. Bob noted that Jon Powell reported that several companies supplied logos for the Poster at the IBIS booth. Several other companies plan to bring the logos, with Velcro backing to the booth for posting. Greg Edlund noted that the IBIS Users group will staff the demo booth and have equipment. They are taking care of sending the equipment. Bob asked Stephen Peters to send Milt the IBIS Information Sheet used at the Design Automation Conference as a handout at the IBIS booth at DesignCon99. AR - Stephen Peters send Milt Schwartz (schwartz@nsc.com) the IBIS Information Sheet so Milt can make copies for the IBIS booth. Bob also noted that he asked Jon to handle information for an advertisement on IBIS that will appear in the DesignCon99 onsite brochure. Information has been sent to the DesignCon99 organizers where professional graphics artists will format the advertisement. Jon and Bob will get to review a FAX copy. Patti Rusher stated that there is still no signed contract between EIA and the DesignCon99 organizers. The contract needs to be signed, as a matter of policy. Bob will take care of getting the information to everyone. AR - Bob Ross provide Patti Rusher and Glenn Bischoff the contact and phone numbers so that the contract can be formalized. [Done] DATE99 MARCH 9, 1999 SUMMIT MEETING Bob Ross noted that information has been sent out on the IBIS Summit meeting associated with the DATE99 conference in Munich, Germany. Arpad Muranyi asked for clarification of the date. The IBIS meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, March 9, 1999. The date was chosen to avoid conflicting with the trade show portion of DATE99 held Wednesday through Friday. Mentor Graphics and INCASES are co-sponsoring the IBIS Summit Meeting. After some discussions, we decided to start at Noon and provide a flexible format to promote interaction. Bob believes we should draw heavily from the local industrial area in Munich and from DATE99 participants. Several companies are participating in the PCB Symposium on Thursday, March 11, 1999. IBIS VERSION 3.2 RATIFICATION Bob Ross introduced the IBIS Version 3.2 ratification topic by stating that we are open to discussion and editorial changes. Michael Cohen reported that under the Package Model Section, Note 2 needs to be corrected from [Number or Sections] to [Number Of Sections]. Matthew Flora suggested clarification wording concerning that the V/I tables require numerical starting and ending values if there are other numerical values. Matthew did not have the suggested changes since he also discovered a similar problem with V/T tables. Bob stated that he would accept simple editorial clarifications. This could also be a review comment since Matthew did not want to hold up ratification on this point. Bob called on Arpad Muranyi to discuss the interpretation of Package Model [Number Of Sections]. Arpad noted some conflicting language in IBIS Version 3.1 and also noted that the parser reports an error, even when the number of sections stated is greater than those in the package model file. Bob reported on an earlier interpretation by Stephen Peters that stated that the number of sections is the maximum number rather than the exact number of sections. However, Arpad pointed out some contradictory wording in the Specification that stated that the number of sections should be the same for each pin. The Specification stated that sections composed of Len = 0 / sections could be used to equalize the number for each pin. Bob noted that the additional point of confusion was based on whether the sections within a Fork/Endfork branch should be counted. Bob, Arpad, Stephen, Michael, Matthew and others engaged in a discussion on the history and purpose of this keyword. It currently serves the purpose of flagging package model structures that are composed of single line segments versus those composed of coupled matrix sections. After several attempts at wording and deletion of text in the specification, the agreed upon resolution was to adopt a simple interpretation that the number of sections means the maximum number of sections, including those within Fork/Endfork branches for the package. The change in wording is noted below to be included in the document to be ratified. Add the text below at the end of the Usage Rules section of the [Number Of Sections] keyword description: "The maximum number of sections includes sections between the Fork and Endfork subparameters." Under the Usage Rules of the [Pin Numbers] keyword, the paragraph that begins with " A section description ..." is modified. The portion of the last sentence below is deleted: "All package stub descriptions must contain the same number of sections however," but the remainder of the last part of the sentence is retained: "A particular section description can contain no data (i.e. the description is given as 'Len = 0 /')." Bob noted that he would accept off line further simple editorial corrections. With no further discussion, Bob called for a vote to ratify IBIS Version 3.2 with the above changes. IBIS Version 3.2 was approved by unanimous vote. Bob assigned himself the AR to upload the modified document to IBIS ftp site on eda.org. AR - Bob Ross upload the modified IBIS Version 3.2 on http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/ver3.2/ [Done] Bob raised the issue that we are now ready for formal EIA ratification. Patti Rusher asked whether we want EIA ratification or ANSI and EIA ratification. The ANSI process is slightly longer. After some discussion, the point was made that since IBIS Version 2.1 was an ANSI/EIA standard, we should seek ANSI/EIA ratification directly to avoid confusion. Patti stated that most standards organizations are now adopting free, web based distribution methods. Patti mentioned a JEDEC link regarding a document and will forward the information directly to Bob for reference. Bob stated that all of our documents are currently on the Web, and we would favor continuing with this approach. AR - Patti Rusher supply Bob Ross with the sample link. [Done] Patti asked if we wanted to assign IBIS Version 3.2 a new number or make it revision "A" of the exiting document and designated ANSI/EIA-656A. She indicated that different versions of EDIF documents have different numbers, and this has caused confusion. A number of points were discussed. The group favored going with ANSI/EIA-656A to eliminate confusion. D.C. Sessions stated that with ratification, semiconductor vendors now ought to be encouraged to produce Version 3.2 level IBIS models. Bob deferred further discussion on this topic so we could handle other business on the agenda. IBISCHK3 VERSION 3.2.2 Bob Ross stated that because of vacations, the ibischk3, version 3.2.2 was not ready yet. The developer, Atul Agarwal, had indicated that he expected the parser to be ready in a week. Bob had been busy trying to address questions raised by Atul, and he wanted committee input. Bob state that Atul wanted clarification on BUG31 regarding changing the Error messages to Warning messages for V/I tables. Bob responded that this should apply for just [Pulldown] and [Pullup] tables. Arpad Muranyi argued that because of some new technologies, we need to be more flexible. After some more discussion, we agreed to change the Error message to a Warning message for all tables. Bob indicated that he will communicate the revised clarification to Atul - BUG34 - No Error Reported for Missing V/I Table in Output Buffers (New Item) Bob introduced Bug34. He noted that this omission has been in all versions of the ibischk parser starting with version 1.0. We could check for missing tables based on model type. However, this would take some time to discuss and resolve. Bug34 was classified as Annoying, Low, and Open. We would not fix this for the ibischk3, Version 3.2.2 release. - BUG35 - Model Spec Crash Related to Vinl and Vinh being Specified (New Item) Bob classified BUG35 Severe, High, Open, but also noted that Atul had already fixed this problem. Michael Cohen stated that there was a package model parser bug that gave an incorrect n-1 count in the number of sections in a package. Arpad Muranyi and others responded that this was the same problem that Arpad had initially reported above and which motivated the number of sections discussion above. Arpad had noted that regardless of the interpretation, the current ibischk3 version 3.2.1 was giving a wrong answer and needed to be fixed. Bob indicated that the issue was resolved above and Atul will be notified to implement the parser according the above discussion and approved IBIS Version 3.2 document. TEKTRONIX IPA 510 SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION PROPOSAL Bob introduced the subject. At the November 6, 1998 meeting we approved going forward with distributing the executable. However, there was concern, and we raised the issue at the November 20, 1998 meeting. We were time limited and conducted a vote on whether to reject the proposal or to continue the discussion. We voted to continue the discussion. Since we were dealing with IBIS Version 3.2 ratification issues, we did not have adequate time to discuss this issue at a subsequent meeting. Syed Huq understood the vote to mean that we re-approved issuing the executable. Syed reported that the executable will be ready at the end of January. Tektronix asked if the modified agreement had been created and signed. Patti Rusher had stated before this discussion began that EIA Legal would have no problem accepting the conditions of an agreement revised to apply to Tekronix executables only. A discussion was held. Bob stated that he wanted to raise the fundamental issue of whether IBIS and EIA should be doing this. He was concerned that this was a former commercial product that worked only with one vendor's hardware, was not closely related to IBIS (IBIS is not mentioned in the product), and would be a free utility that would undermine potential commercial alternatives. Bob questioned whether this was appropriate for a public domain standards body. Bob also stated that we need to decide so Tektronix can respond. If the decision is negative, then Tekronix can perhaps find a more suitable and dedicated alternative for both the source and executable code distribution. Syed countered that if the utility is offered, the IBIS community is free to distribute it or link to it like it does with other utilities. He stated that IPA 510 package model parameter extraction was being used for extracting the package model values for IBIS model development. Therefore the tool was relevant and useful to the IBIS community. In the limited time, many views were shared. While time was running out at the end of the meeting, Bob called for and conducted a vote regarding whether or not the IBIS Committee should distribute the IPA 510 executable. The Vote was split 4 No to 3 Yes, 1 abstention. Before any further discussion could take place, the meeting was automatically terminated as time ran out. (After the meeting Bob sent a note that since the vote was split indicating that this is still a controversial topic, and was conducted under time pressure, he will schedule full discussion of this topic leading to a vote and resolution at the February 19, 1999 meeting.) COOKBOOK STATUS (Not Discussed) IBIS MODEL REVIEW COMMITTEE DISCUSSION (Not Discussed) The old AR remains. AR - Matthew Flora to issue to the IBIS reflector a short write-up on the IBIS Model Review Committee. OLD TOPIC - BIRD56 - RELAXATION OF THE [Series Pin Mapping] RESTRICTION (Not discussed) The old AR remains. AR - Arpad Muranyi provide an IBIS model example for BIRD56. NEXT MEETING: The next meeting will be an IBIS Summit Meeting at DesignCon99 from 8:30 AM to 5 PM on Monday, February 1, 1999 at the Santa Clara Convention Center, Santa Clara, California in Grand Ballroom G. The following teleconference meeting will be on Friday, February 19, 1999 from 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM. ============================================================================== NOTES IBIS CHAIR: Bob Ross (503) 685-0732, Fax (503) 685-4897 bob_ross@mentorg.com Modeling Engineer, Interconnectix BU of Mentor Graphics 8005 S.W. Boeckman Road, Wilsonville, OR 97070 VICE CHAIR: Stephen Peters (503) 264-4108, Fax: (503) 264-4515 sjpeters@ichips.intel.com Senior Hardware Engineer, Intel Corporation M/S JF1-56 2111 NE 25th Ave. Hillsboro, Oregon 97124-5961 SECRETARY: Matthew Flora (425) 869-2320, Fax: (425) 881-1008 mbflora@hyperlynx.com Senior Engineer, HyperLynx, Inc. 17641 NE 67th Court Redmond, WA 98052 LIBRARIAN: Jon Powell (805) 988-8250, Fax: (805) 988-8259 jonp@qdt.com Senior Scientist, Viewlogic Systems(formerly Quad Design) 1385 Del Norte Rd., Camarillo, CA 93010 This meeting was conducted in accordance with the EIA Legal Guides and EIA Manual of Organization and Procedure. The following e-mail addresses are used: ibis-request@eda.org To join, change, or drop from either the IBIS Open Forum Reflector (ibis@eda.org), the IBIS Users' Group Reflector (ibis-users@eda.org) or both. State your request. ibis-info@eda.org To obtain general information about IBIS, to ask specific questions for individual response, and to inquire about joining the EIA-IBIS Open Forum as a full Member. ibis@eda.org To send a message to the general IBIS Open Forum Reflector. This is used mostly for IBIS Standardization business and future IBIS technical enhancements. Job posting information is not permitted. ibis-users@eda.org To send a message to the IBIS Users' Group Reflector. This is used mostly for IBIS clarification, current modeling issues, and general user concerns. Job posting information is not permitted. ibischk-bug@eda.org To report ibischk2 parser bugs. The Bug Report Form Resides on eda.org in /pub/ibis/bugs/ibischk/bugform.txt along with reported bugs. To report s2ibis, s2ibis2 and s2iplt bugs, use the Bug Report Forms which reside under eda.org in /pub/ibis/bugs/s2ibis/bugs2i.txt, /pub/ibis/bugs/s2ibis2/bugs2i2.txt, & /pub/ibis/bugs/s2iplt/bugsplt.txt respectively. Information on IBIS technical contents, IBIS participants, and actual IBIS models are available on the IBIS Home page found by selecting the Electronic Information Group under: http://www.eia.org Check the pub/ibis directory on eda.org for more information on previous discussions and results. You can get on via FTP anonymous. ============================================================================== From owner-ibis Wed Jan 20 07:40:09 1999 Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA25175 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsmsx28.jf.intel.com (orsmsx28.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.28]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id HAA15206; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by ORSMSX28 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:34:08 -0800 Message-ID: <4575832C8E71D111AC4100A0C96B512702AC07AF@FMSMSX36> From: "Mellitz, Richard" To: "'steve_monroe@stortek.COM'" , ibis@eda.org Subject: RE: Using Ibis models in hspice Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:34:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I tend to agree with Steve. I realize that the some vendors consider how use IBIS IP. It would be real nice if some one could present issues concerning implementations so the user community at large could make tradeoffs between simulator companies. Recently I've worked on doing an IBIS implementation and as neophyte to this have uncovered a whole bunch of issues that I know simulator companies may have solved in different ways. Each method will have it's limitations, assumptions, and applicability. I think the IBIS summit meetings would be a good place to air this. ... Rich -----Original Message----- From: steve_monroe@stortek.COM [mailto:steve_monroe@stortek.COM] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 7:26 PM To: ibis@eda.org Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice Kellee Crisafulli wrote: >Hi Steve, > > This is a question for the simulator company you >are using and should not appear on this IBIS reflector. >Please redirect you question directly to your simulator >company. > I disagree completely. I have been looking forward to someone responding to this question all day. I think that this reflector needs to go beyond what the latest BIRDS are, or whats going on with a trade show. No invective intended toward BIRDS or trade shows. This group is supposedly a group of IBIS experts, which likely have expertise as it relates to the question below. I don't understand how the question posed violates the reflector's purpose. > > At 11:21 AM 1/19/99 -0800, steve johnson wrote: >To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector >message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. >An example would also suffice. > > >To all, > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality >controlled using behavioral statements? >Thanks in advance. >Regards, Steve Johnson -- web: http://ee.ecae/pages/SM/docs/sm_home.html vox: 1.303.673.4938 fax: 1.303.673.2784 pgr: 1.800.217.9371 From owner-ibis Wed Jan 20 08:04:07 1999 Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA25265 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from valencia.rsn.hp.com (valencia.rsn.hp.com [15.99.50.121]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA09707; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from schumach@localhost) by valencia.rsn.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA08816; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:58:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard A. Schumacher" Message-Id: <199901201558.JAA08816@valencia.rsn.hp.com> Subject: Re: Using Ibis models in hspice To: steve_monroe@stortek.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 9:58:54 CST Cc: ibis@eda.org In-Reply-To: <36A522A3.613D@stortek.COM>; from "steve_monroe@stortek.COM" at Jan 19, 99 5:26 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.4] Absolutely! This is the place to discuss all things IBIS, both in design and implementation, warts and all. > I disagree completely. I have been looking forward > to someone responding to this question all day. > > I think that this reflector needs to go beyond what > the latest BIRDS are, or whats going on with a trade > show. No invective intended toward BIRDS or trade > shows. > > This group is supposedly a group of IBIS experts, which > likely have expertise as it relates to the question > below. > > I don't understand how the question posed violates the > reflector's purpose. > > > >To the Ibis experts: I saw a reply in a signal integrity reflector > >message that suggests contacting you. Here's my original request. > >An example would also suffice. > > > > > >To all, > > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited > >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of > >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when > >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which > >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the > >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like > >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality > >controlled using behavioral statements? > >Thanks in advance. From owner-ibis Wed Jan 20 08:23:42 1999 Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA25373 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from orsmsx28.jf.intel.com (orsmsx28.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.28]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA20787; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:26:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901201626.IAA20787@hebe.or.intel.com> Received: by ORSMSX28 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:15:38 -0800 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" To: "\"steve_monroe@stortek.com\" " , "\"Richard A. Schumacher\" " Cc: "\"ibis@eda.org\" " Subject: RE: Using Ibis models in hspice Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:14:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain To answer his original question, yes, it is possible to do IBIS modeling in HSPICE. (I have done this for several years now). You can build such a thing with the already existing controlled sources, or you can wait for the release of H98.4 in which I understand there will be IBIS support. Arpad ============================================================================ === > >To all, > > I'm a new subscriber to this reflector, and I am having only limited > >success with simulating IBIS models using Hspice. I've found alot of > >information about going from Hspice to IBIS, but very little when > >going from IBIS to Hspice. Does anyone have an Hspice file which > >accepts both pullup and pulldown output voltages and currents, the > >clamps, pin capacitance, resistance, and inductance? Also, I'd like > >the output to be able to go to high impedance. Last, is functionality > >controlled using behavioral statements? > >Thanks in advance. From owner-ibis Wed Jan 20 11:32:36 1999 Received: from ole.cdac.com (ole.cdac.com [199.5.216.26]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA25937 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ember.cdac.com (fwuser@cascade.cdac.com [199.5.216.206]) by ole.cdac.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22120 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from quark.cdac.com (quark.cdac.com [10.0.10.112]) by ember.cdac.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA10339 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lynne Green Received: (from lgreen@localhost) by quark.cdac.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA27065 for ibis@eda.org; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901201927.LAA27065@quark.cdac.com> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-ibis Mon Jan 25 15:31:34 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA10270 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id PAA04113; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id PAA15721; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA25877; Mon, 25 Jan 99 15:25:59 PST Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 15:25:59 PST Message-Id: <9901252325.AA25877@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS SUMMIT AGENDA 2/1/99 AGENDA, IBIS SUMMIT MEETING FEBRUARY 1, 1999 Grand Ballroom G Santa Clara Convention Center Santa Clara, California -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00 AM Refreshments 8:30 AM Introductions & Sign In - Sign In - Welcome to Summit - Introductions of Officers, Attendees - IBIS Booth & Placards - Membership - Opens for Issues, Discussion - IBIS Users Teleconference Meeting Discussion 9:00 AM Overview, Review of Summit Agenda Bob Ross, Mentor Graphics 9:15 AM IBIS User's Group Status Ed Sayre, NESA 9:30 AM The IBIS Accuracy Specification: Status and Direction Greg Edlund, IBM 10:00 AM Practical Use of IBIS Models and Accuracy Studies Fabrizio Zanella, EMC 10:30 AM Break 10:45 AM Validation of IBIS Based Two Waveform Models Bernhard Unger, Siemens AG. 11:15 AM Open Discussion - Accuracy Specification and Validation 12:00 PM Lunch (Hosted by National Semiconductor) Westin Hotel 1:00 PM IBIS Version 3.2 Overview Stephen Peters, Intel 1:30 PM IBIS Future Needs Discussion Stephen Peters, Intel 2:00 PM IMIC Status and Validation Norio Matsui and Raj Raghuram 2:30 PM Extensions to IBIS Input Modeling D.C. Sessions, VLSI Technology 3:00 PM Break 3:15 PM IBIS Connector BIRD Summary Kellee Chrisafulli, Hyperlynx 4:15 PM List of New Features 4:30 PM Other Discussions 4:45 PM Concluding Items - Date99 Summit - Next Meeting February 19, 1999 - ?? 5:00 PM END OF MEETING From owner-ibis Thu Jan 28 08:50:18 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA21711; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id IAA25680; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id IAA29139; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA12620; Thu, 28 Jan 99 08:44:35 PST Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 08:44:35 PST Message-Id: <9901281644.AA12620@bob> To: ibis-users@eda.org, ibis@eda.org Subject: IBIS MEETING AND ACCURACY DOCUMENTS To All: For people who have signed up and are planning to attend the IBIS Summit Meeting to be held next week at DesignCon99 on Monday, February 1, 1999, the meeting locations are as follows: The meeting will be held in the Santa Clara Convention Center in Grand Ballroom G. The lunch will be held in the Westin Hotel, Ballroom D. Also, all presenters who have not sent their presentations to Milt Schwartz for copying please plan to bring 50 copies with them to pass out. We will also need electronic copies for archiving. Finally, the latest Accuracy Specification documents have been uploaded on http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/accuracy/. See the readme.txt file for contents. You can also download the documents through anonymous FTP to that location. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics From owner-ibis Fri Jan 29 15:13:33 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA27316 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id PAA03908; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id PAA07407; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA29935; Fri, 29 Jan 99 15:07:53 PST Date: Fri, 29 Jan 99 15:07:53 PST Message-Id: <9901292307.AA29935@bob> To: ibis@eda.org Subject: NEW ibischk3 executables To All: New ibischk3.2.2 executables have been uploaded on http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/ibischk3 These are still preliminary. They include some corrections made by Chris Rokusek (except for the Windows version). Thanks to Chris for supplying these. The older versions are stored in the "old" directories. Bob Ross Mentor Graphics