From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org (ibis-users) To: ibis-users-digest@eda.org Subject: ibis-users V1 #44 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Errors-To: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Precedence: bulk ibis-users Saturday, September 11 2004 Volume 01 : Number 044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:03:37 -0400 From: "Ambrish Varma" Subject: [IBIS-Users] 'in' pin in output buffers Hi All, I have an output model that does not have an input pin in the [pin] description, only the 'out' pin along with vdd and gnd. How do the simulators handle this? Specifically, HSPICE. Can I simulate a buffer circuit using this model? Thanks and Regards, Ambrish K Varma akvarma@ncsu.edu North Carolina State University ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:29:30 -0700 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] IIRD4 - Removal of Extraneous Argument for [End ICM Section] Keyword This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4866E.493281F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The enclosed IIRD, Removal of Extraneous Argument for [End ICM Section] Keyword, is posted on behalf of Kelly Green. 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quoted-printable The enclosed IIRD, Removal of Recommended Line Limits, is posted on behalf of Kelly Green. 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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C486E2.2A2791EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The enclosed BIRD, Multiple A_to_D Subparameters Clarification, is posted on behalf of Bob Ross of Teraspeed Consulting Group. 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SUMMIT SECOND CALL FOR PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: Tuesday, October 04, 2004, 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM Location: North East Systems Associates 5 Lan Drive Westford, MA 01886 Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. 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   I wanted to know how the VI table= is=0D generated in the IBIS file. Is the VI data generated by subtracting the both= the power=0D clamp and ground clamp currents from the pull up current? I= wanted to=0D have clarity on how exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up=0D data.
 
 
Please answer the same
 
Thanks=0D and Regards,
Radhika
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Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and ground > clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have clarity on how > exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments > to this message are intended > for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or > privileged information. 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2VDDS range)- (Ground Clamp current with buffer disabled and input is high with sweep from -VDDS to +VDDS) Same way for Pull down Total Pull down Current = Pull down current with input low and buffer enabled(sweep from -VDDS to 2VDDS) - (Power clamp current with buffer disabled and input is low with sweep voltage from VDDS to 2VDDS range)- (Ground Clamp current with buffer disabled and input low with sweep from - -VDDS to +VDDS) Is the s2ibis2 script handling it the same way? Regards, Radhika - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:46 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and > ground clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have > clarity on how exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any > attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at > Wipro or Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:32:41 -0700 From: "Lynne Green" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Ambrish, Did you mean to say: Pullup = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp Pulldown = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:16 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and ground > clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have clarity on how > exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments > to this message are intended > for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or > privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or > Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:04:40 -0700 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification In order to clarify this, one must state the usage of the words clearly. What does "pullup" mean? Is it the pullup table in the IBIS [Model], or the measured IV curve that was obtained when the driver was driving high? In the first case it would be the total - clamps, in the second case it is the total. Arpad ======================================================= - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Lynne Green Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM To: akvarma@ncsu.edu; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Ambrish, Did you mean to say: Pullup = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp Pulldown = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:16 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and ground > clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have clarity on how > exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments > to this message are intended > for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or > privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or > Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:35:45 -0400 From: "Ambrish Varma" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Here's how the VI curves are obtained: If the driver has an enable input, a sweep is performed with the driver disbled. (This gives the performance of whatever clamping structures may be present.) This curve is then subtracted from the curve obtained with the output enabled, resulting in a curve that models the performance of only the driver (i.e. it excludes the contributions made by the clamp structures). The voltage range over which the subtraction is performed is different for each curve: for a pullup curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the power clamp curve, while for a pulldown curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the ground clamp curve. My apologies for any confusion that my response generated. - -Ambrish. Ambrish K Varma akvarma@ncsu.edu North Carolina State University ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285 - -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Green [mailto:lgreen22@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:33 PM To: akvarma@ncsu.edu; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Ambrish, Did you mean to say: Pullup = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp Pulldown = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:16 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and ground > clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have clarity on how > exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments > to this message are intended > for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or > privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or > Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:16:47 -0700 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Ambrish, Your description for the subtraction voltage range being different for each curve doesn't seem to be completely right. Let me explain it through an example for the pulldown GND clamp case. But first a question: Over what range are you getting the IV curves for the clamps? Are you doing it over -Vcc to 2Vcc or the reduced range the IBIS spec defines: -Vcc to 0 for the GND clamp and -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative) for the POWER clamp? Now the example. When you sweep a 3-stated buffer from -Vcc to 0, you get its GND clamp. When you sweep the same buffer driving low over -Vcc to 2Vcc, you will get the channel current over the entire range, plus the GND clamp current in the -Vcc to 0 range and the POWER clamp current in the Vcc to 2Vcc (GND relative) range. If did your subtraction only in the -Vcc to 0 range, the resulting curve will still include the POWER clamp in the Vcc to 2Vcc range. You would still have to do something to get rid of that. You could say that you will use the Vcc relative sweep of the 3-stated buffer over the range of -Vcc to Vcc which includes the POWER clamp, turn it over to make it GND relative and subtract it from the curve in the 0 to Vcc range. This should give you the channel current alone for the pulldown. You could, however, simplify this a lot by just sweeping the 3-stated buffer the same range as the driving buffer. In this case a GND relative sweep from -Vcc to 2Vcc will include the GND clamp on the left side and the POWER clamp (in a GND relative way) on the right side. You can then just take this entire 3-stated data and subtract it from the entire driving data, and you will get the same difference curve as above, but with a lot less work... The same can be done for the pullup too. Just sweep the 3-stated buffer Vcc relative over the entire range, sweep the buffer driving high over the same range, subtract the curves over the whole range and you got the pullup channel current for the entire range. After this you can chop off the unwanted sections from the 3-stated curves to eliminate the double counting of the clamps in them, i.e. reduce the range of the GND clamp data to -Vcc to 0, and the POWER clamp data to -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative). While we are on this subject, I would also like to mention that there are some issues with the ranges the IBIS spec specifies for the clamps when there is on die termination in the buffer, especially when it is connected to GND. The range of -Vcc to 0 in the GND clamp table will not include the ODT in the GND clamp, but the range of -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative) will put the ODT into the POWER clamp table. This is not making sense, because if the ODT is connected to GND, than it should be in the GND clamp table so that if someone has a non ideal GND around the IBIS model and there is GND bounce, the GND clamp IV curve should also bounce the ODT along. For this reason I have an algorithm that keeps the entire range for both clamp tables, but numerically eliminates the double counting of the clamps and ODT. You can read the algorithm in my IBIS modeling class which is also posted on teh IBIS web site. Arpad ==================================================================== - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Ambrish Varma Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:36 AM To: lgreen22@mindspring.com; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Here's how the VI curves are obtained: If the driver has an enable input, a sweep is performed with the driver disbled. (This gives the performance of whatever clamping structures may be present.) This curve is then subtracted from the curve obtained with the output enabled, resulting in a curve that models the performance of only the driver (i.e. it excludes the contributions made by the clamp structures). The voltage range over which the subtraction is performed is different for each curve: for a pullup curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the power clamp curve, while for a pulldown curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the ground clamp curve. My apologies for any confusion that my response generated. - -Ambrish. Ambrish K Varma akvarma@ncsu.edu North Carolina State University ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285 - -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Green [mailto:lgreen22@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:33 PM To: akvarma@ncsu.edu; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Ambrish, Did you mean to say: Pullup = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp Pulldown = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:16 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and ground > clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have clarity on how > exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments > to this message are intended > for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or > privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or > Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:02:34 +0530 From: Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Arpad, The s2ibis2 actually does what Ambarish had mentioned. It subtracts the Power clamp current from the Pullup currents before placing the data in the [Pullup] tables. So what can be noticed from the s2ibis2 generated IBIS models is that from Vcc to 2Vcc the [Pullup] data has subtracted Power_clamp, whereas the remaining (-Vcc to 0) the currents are same as extracted from the enabled 3-state buffer. Interestingly the I/O Buffer Modelling Cookbook, prepared by the IBIS open forum, has the following description (IBIS Forum I/O Buffer Modeling Cookbook, Rev 2.0.X, Page 19) : Pulldown Enter into the [Pulldown] table the I/V data gathered while the output or I/O buffer was in the logic low state. Pulldown data must cover the range of -Vcc to Vcc *2. If the buffer is a 3-state device then first subtract the ground clamp current from the pulldown current then enter the result into the [Pulldown] table. - -----------(Similarly under the Pullup section)--------- Pullup Enter into the [Pullup] table the data gathered while the output or I/O buffer was in the logic high state. Again, if the buffer is a 3-state device then first subtract the power clamp current from the pullup current then enter the result into the [Pullup] table. Regards, Birendra - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:47 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Ambrish, Your description for the subtraction voltage range being different for each curve doesn't seem to be completely right. Let me explain it through an example for the pulldown GND clamp case. But first a question: Over what range are you getting the IV curves for the clamps? Are you doing it over -Vcc to 2Vcc or the reduced range the IBIS spec defines: -Vcc to 0 for the GND clamp and -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative) for the POWER clamp? Now the example. When you sweep a 3-stated buffer from -Vcc to 0, you get its GND clamp. When you sweep the same buffer driving low over -Vcc to 2Vcc, you will get the channel current over the entire range, plus the GND clamp current in the -Vcc to 0 range and the POWER clamp current in the Vcc to 2Vcc (GND relative) range. If did your subtraction only in the -Vcc to 0 range, the resulting curve will still include the POWER clamp in the Vcc to 2Vcc range. You would still have to do something to get rid of that. You could say that you will use the Vcc relative sweep of the 3-stated buffer over the range of -Vcc to Vcc which includes the POWER clamp, turn it over to make it GND relative and subtract it from the curve in the 0 to Vcc range. This should give you the channel current alone for the pulldown. You could, however, simplify this a lot by just sweeping the 3-stated buffer the same range as the driving buffer. In this case a GND relative sweep from -Vcc to 2Vcc will include the GND clamp on the left side and the POWER clamp (in a GND relative way) on the right side. You can then just take this entire 3-stated data and subtract it from the entire driving data, and you will get the same difference curve as above, but with a lot less work... The same can be done for the pullup too. Just sweep the 3-stated buffer Vcc relative over the entire range, sweep the buffer driving high over the same range, subtract the curves over the whole range and you got the pullup channel current for the entire range. After this you can chop off the unwanted sections from the 3-stated curves to eliminate the double counting of the clamps in them, i.e. reduce the range of the GND clamp data to -Vcc to 0, and the POWER clamp data to -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative). While we are on this subject, I would also like to mention that there are some issues with the ranges the IBIS spec specifies for the clamps when there is on die termination in the buffer, especially when it is connected to GND. The range of -Vcc to 0 in the GND clamp table will not include the ODT in the GND clamp, but the range of -Vcc to Vcc (Vcc relative) will put the ODT into the POWER clamp table. This is not making sense, because if the ODT is connected to GND, than it should be in the GND clamp table so that if someone has a non ideal GND around the IBIS model and there is GND bounce, the GND clamp IV curve should also bounce the ODT along. For this reason I have an algorithm that keeps the entire range for both clamp tables, but numerically eliminates the double counting of the clamps and ODT. You can read the algorithm in my IBIS modeling class which is also posted on teh IBIS web site. Arpad ==================================================================== - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Ambrish Varma Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:36 AM To: lgreen22@mindspring.com; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Here's how the VI curves are obtained: If the driver has an enable input, a sweep is performed with the driver disbled. (This gives the performance of whatever clamping structures may be present.) This curve is then subtracted from the curve obtained with the output enabled, resulting in a curve that models the performance of only the driver (i.e. it excludes the contributions made by the clamp structures). The voltage range over which the subtraction is performed is different for each curve: for a pullup curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the power clamp curve, while for a pulldown curve, the subtraction is performed over the voltage range defined by the ground clamp curve. My apologies for any confusion that my response generated. -Ambrish. Ambrish K Varma akvarma@ncsu.edu North Carolina State University ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285 - -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Green [mailto:lgreen22@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:33 PM To: akvarma@ncsu.edu; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Ambrish, Did you mean to say: Pullup = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp Pulldown = total_current - power_clamp - gnd_clamp - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of akvarma@ncsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:16 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Need clarification Hi, Both the pull-up and pull-down VI curves subtract the power and ground clamp curves respectively to obtain the VI table in s2ibis2 and s2ibis3. This is done only for models with enable inputs. Hope that helps. - -Ambrish. - --Ambrish K Varma North Carolina State University. > > Hi, > > I wanted to know how the VI table is generated in the IBIS file. Is > the VI data generated by subtracting the both the power clamp and > ground clamp currents from the pull up current? I wanted to have > clarity on how exactly s2ibis script is generating the pull up data. > > > Please answer the same > > Thanks and Regards, > Radhika > > > > > Confidentiality Notice > > The information contained in this electronic message and any > attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the > addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at > Wipro or Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. 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