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stacked product. Can I create a IBIS model for a Stack Multi-Chip Product by joining up those 2 IBIS models for FLASH and SRAM? RDGS YYLAU |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:25:02 -0700 From: Syed Huq Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS Summit First Call of Papers - DAC June14th, 2005, Anaheim CA - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS SUMMIT FIRST CALL FOR PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: Tuesday June 14, 2005, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM Location: Anahein Marriott 700 West Convention Way Anaheim, California 92802-3483 Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. 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The following individuals have signed up to present at the summit (presentation titles are tentative). - IBIS Chair's Report, Michael Mirmak, Intel - Multi-Gigabit SerDes Analysis using IBISv4.1/VHDL-AMS, Syed Huq, Cisco Systems, Inc LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:27:46 +0530 From: "Vivek Kumar Sundriyal" Subject: [IBIS-Users] effect of clamping diodes Hi all , I understand that the V/I curves that are generated in an IBIS model, should not have the effect of the clampng diodes. Can anyone tell me how are is this effect handled in generating the V/I curves in s2ibis2 ? Thanks in advance, Vivek |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 01:26:50 +0000 From: "lau yy" Subject: [IBIS-Users] C_comp value Dear ALL, I am now generating a IBIS model using ver 2.1. I face a problem. In the .s2i file, I have this model [Model] IO18 [Model type] I/O . . . [C_comp] 13.328pF 12.868pF 14.168pF After I generate it, it shows WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp TYP value 1.3328e+13pF out of expected range (0pF, 1000pF) WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp MAX value 1.2868e+13pF out of expected range (0pF, 1000pF) How can I solve this problem? thanks Rdgs YYLAU |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:06:11 -0700 From: "lgreen" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] C_comp value Are you using the old s2ibis2, or the newer s2ibis3? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of lau yy Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:27 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] C_comp value Dear ALL, I am now generating a IBIS model using ver 2.1. I face a problem. In the .s2i file, I have this model [Model] IO18 [Model type] I/O . . . [C_comp] 13.328pF 12.868pF 14.168pF After I generate it, it shows WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp TYP value 1.3328e+13pF out of expected range (0pF, 1000pF) WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp MAX value 1.2868e+13pF out of expected range (0pF, 1000pF) How can I solve this problem? thanks Rdgs YYLAU |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:12:50 -0700 From: Syed Huq Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] C_comp value Well you have just encountered a minor bug in s2ibis2. You will notice that in the .ibs file, there are spaces between the value and the unit C_comp 13.3280 pF 12.8680 pF 14.1680 pF Delete the space so it looks like this: C_comp 13.3280pF 12.8680pF 14.1680pF ..and the you are done. - - Syed On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 18:26, lau yy wrote: > Dear ALL, > > > I am now generating a IBIS model using ver 2.1. > > I face a problem. > > In the .s2i file, I have this model > [Model] IO18 > [Model type] I/O > . > . > . > [C_comp] 13.328pF 12.868pF 14.168pF > > After I generate it, it shows > WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp TYP value 1.3328e+13pF out of expected range > (0pF, 1000pF) > WARNING - Model 'IO18': C_comp MAX value 1.2868e+13pF out of expected range > (0pF, 1000pF) > > How can I solve this problem? > > > thanks > > > Rdgs > YYLAU > > > |------------------------------------------------------------------ > |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org > |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: > | > | help > | subscribe ibis > | subscribe ibis-users > | unsubscribe ibis > | unsubscribe ibis-users > | > |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. > | > |IBIS reflector archives exist under: > | > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:23:48 +0000 From: "lau yy" Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem

Dear ALL,

I already solve the previous problem. That just a small bug in IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine.

Here, I got another questions.

Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and [PULLDOWN] will have 0 current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below.

  -1.8000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

  -1.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   .

   .

   .

   1.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   1.8000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   1.9000       14.6800uA           14.9900uA           14.2500uA

   2.0000       15.7200uA           16.0200uA           15.2900uA

 

And why this errors will occur?

ERROR - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform]

      with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=0V

      has MIN column DC endpoints of  0.00V and  0.00v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages (-0.90V and  0.00V),

      a difference of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively.

ERROR - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform]

      with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V

      has MAX column DC endpoints of  0.00V and  0.00v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields        

      different voltages (-0.90V and  0.00V),

 

Thanks

 

 

 

rdgs

yylau

|------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:29:34 -0700 From: "Tom Dagostino" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01C55250.680BC3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks like your enable control is in the wrong state. Tom Dagostino Teraspeed Labs 13610 SW Harness Lane Beaverton, OR 97008 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com tom@teraspeed.com Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827 Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of lau yy Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:24 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem Dear ALL, I already solve the previous problem. That just a small bug in IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine. Here, I got another questions. Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and [PULLDOWN] will have 0 current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below. -1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A . . . 1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A 1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A 1.9000 14.6800uA 14.9900uA 14.2500uA 2.0000 15.7200uA 16.0200uA 15.2900uA And why this errors will occur? ERROR - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=0V has MIN column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V), a difference of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively. ERROR - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform] with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V), Thanks rdgs yylau |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 - ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01C55250.680BC3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This=20 looks like your enable control is in the wrong = state.
 

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed Labs
13610 SW Harness=20 Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
http://www.teraspeed.com     = ;     
tom@teraspeed.com

Teraspeed=20 Consulting Group LLC    
121 North River=20 Drive           &n= bsp; 
Narragansett,=20 RI=20 02882           &n= bsp;
401-284-1827

Teraspeed=20 is the registered service mark of
Teraspeed Consulting Group = LLC =20

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-ibis-users@eda.org=20 [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of lau = yy
Sent:=20 Friday, May 06, 2005 3:24 PM
To:=20 ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and = PULL-DOWN=20 problem

Dear ALL,

I already solve the previous problem. That just a small = bug in=20 IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine.

Here, I got another questions.

Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and = [PULLDOWN] will=20 have 0 current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below.

 =20 -1.8000      =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A

  -1.7000      =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A

   .

   .

   .

   1.7000      =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A

   1.8000      =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A           &n= bsp; =20 0.000A

   1.9000      =20 14.6800uA          =20 14.9900uA          =20 14.2500uA

   2.0000      =20 15.7200uA          =20 16.0200uA          =20 15.2900uA

 

And why this errors will occur?

ERROR=20 - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform]

      with = [R_fixture]=3D70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=3D0V

      has = MIN column=20 DC endpoints of  0.00V = and  0.00v, = but

      an = equivalent=20 load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      = different=20 voltages (-0.90V and =20 0.00V),

     =20 a difference=20 of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively.

ERROR=20 - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform]

      with = [R_fixture]=3D70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0V

      has = MAX column=20 DC endpoints of  0.00V = and  0.00v, = but

      an = equivalent=20 load applied to the model's I-V tables yields        =20

     =20 different voltages (-0.90V and  = 0.00V),

 

Thanks

 

 

 

rdgs

yylau

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For a particular HSTL i/f running at 125MHz, I get serious convergence problem for some nets. I presume this is an issue with the IBIS models (the driver IBIS model to be precise) The driver IBIS model in this case is a Broadcom model - - BCM5414. An IBIS check on this model gives warnings about the AC rising points not within 2% of (x V, y V) on VI curves. How do I get rid of the convergence problem ? Thanks Ratheesh __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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I changed the connection and it worked. So this could be because of some wrong connections. regards, Mithlesh Tom Dagostino wrote: > This looks like your enable control is in the wrong state. > > > Tom Dagostino > Teraspeed Labs > 13610 SW Harness Lane > Beaverton, OR 97008 > 503-430-1065 > http://www.teraspeed.com > tom@teraspeed.com > > Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC > 121 North River Drive > Narragansett, RI 02882 > 401-284-1827 > > Teraspeed is the registered service mark of > Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On > Behalf Of lau yy > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:24 PM > To: ibis-users@eda.org > Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem > > Dear ALL, > > I already solve the previous problem. That just a small bug in > IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine. > > Here, I got another questions. > > Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and [PULLDOWN] will have 0 > current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below. > > -1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A > > -1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A > > . > > . > > . > > 1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A > > 1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A > > 1.9000 14.6800uA 14.9900uA 14.2500uA > > 2.0000 15.7200uA 16.0200uA 15.2900uA > > > > And why this errors will occur? > > ERROR - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform] > > with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=0V > > has MIN column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but > > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields > > different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V), > > a difference of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively. > > ERROR - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform] > > with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V > > has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but > > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables > yields > > different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V), > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > rdgs > > yylau > > |------------------------------------------------------------------ > |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org > |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | > help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | > unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to > ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | > http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | > http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | > http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 > - -- - ---" "----------------------------" "--. Mithlesh Shrivas (Core-id:R64034)....... Design Engineer......................... Freescale Semiconductor India Pvt. Ltd.. Express Trade Towers.................... Floor Nos. 5, 6 & 7, Plot# 15 & 16...... Sector- 16A, Noida- 201301 U.P. (India). Mobile: +91-9811824928.................. Office: +91-120-539-6149 (extn)........ - ---------------------------------------- ___________________ POPI Classification: =================== Unless specified this is a General Business Information. [ ] Freescale Internal Use Only [ ] Freescale Confidential Proprietary "Analog circuit design is like chess -just because you know how the pieces move doesn't mean you know how to play the game." --PATRICK M. LAHEY - --------------090700060101050909010400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I had a similar kind of problem.I found that my esd_boost signal was connected to vdd (core supply) rather ovdd (IO supply). I changed the connection and it worked.  So this
could be because of some wrong connections.

regards,
Mithlesh


Tom Dagostino wrote:
This looks like your enable control is in the wrong state.
 

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed Labs
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of lau yy
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:24 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem

Dear ALL,

I already solve the previous problem. That just a small bug in IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine.

Here, I got another questions.

Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and [PULLDOWN] will have 0 current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below.

  -1.8000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

  -1.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   .

   .

   .

   1.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   1.8000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A

   1.9000       14.6800uA           14.9900uA           14.2500uA

   2.0000       15.7200uA           16.0200uA           15.2900uA

 

And why this errors will occur?

ERROR - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform]

      with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=0V

      has MIN column DC endpoints of  0.00V and  0.00v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages (-0.90V and  0.00V),

      a difference of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively.

ERROR - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform]

      with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V

      has MAX column DC endpoints of  0.00V and  0.00v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields        

      different voltages (-0.90V and  0.00V),

 

Thanks

 

 

 

rdgs

yylau

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>From: Mithlesh Shrivas <mithlesh.shrivas@freescale.com>
>To: tom@teraspeed.com
>CC: lau yy <tok47@hotmail.com>, ibis-users@eda.org
>Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem
>Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:36:03 +0530
>
>Hi,
>I had a similar kind of problem.I found that my esd_boost signal was
>connected to vdd (core supply) rather ovdd (IO supply). I changed
>the connection and it worked. So this
>could be because of some wrong connections.
>
>regards,
>Mithlesh
>
>
>Tom Dagostino wrote:
>
>>This looks like your enable control is in the wrong state.
>>
>>
>>Tom Dagostino
>>Teraspeed Labs
>>13610 SW Harness Lane
>>Beaverton, OR 97008
>>503-430-1065
>>http://www.teraspeed.com <http://www.teraspeed.com/>
>>tom@teraspeed.com
>>
>>Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive
>>Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827
>>
>>Teraspeed is the registered service mark of
>>Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org
>>[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
>> Behalf Of lau yy
>> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:24 PM
>> To: ibis-users@eda.org
>> Subject: [IBIS-Users] PULL-UP and PULL-DOWN problem
>>
>> Dear ALL,
>>
>> I already solve the previous problem. That just a small bug in
>> IBIS. I just need to correct it manually and it will be fine.
>>
>> Here, I got another questions.
>>
>> Do anyone know what will cause [PULLUP] and [PULLDOWN] will
>>have 0
>> current flow from -1.8v to 1.8v? I shared my datas below.
>>
>> - -1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A
>>
>> -1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A
>>
>> .
>>
>> .
>>
>> .
>>
>> 1.7000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A
>>
>> 1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A
>>
>> 1.9000 14.6800uA 14.9900uA
>>14.2500uA
>>
>> 2.0000 15.7200uA 16.0200uA
>>15.2900uA
>>
>>
>>
>> And why this errors will occur?
>>
>> ERROR - Model IO31: The [Rising Waveform]
>>
>> with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=0V
>>
>> has MIN column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but
>>
>> an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables
>>yields
>>
>> different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V),
>>
>> a difference of -100.04% and 66.57%, respectively.
>>
>> ERROR - Model IO31: The [Falling Waveform]
>>
>> with [R_fixture]=70 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V
>>
>> has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 0.00v, but
>>
>> an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables
>> yields
>>
>> different voltages (-0.90V and 0.00V),
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> rdgs
>>
>> yylau
>>
>>
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But if the extent of the non-monotonic behavior is too bad, then you must have a re-look at it. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I do not want wrong knowledge spread across the forum. Thanks , Vivek seshadri.kirankuma r@wipro.com To: ibis-users@eda.org, owner-ibis-users@eda.org, Sent by: si-list-bounce@freelists.org owner-ibis-users@e cc: da.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models 05/09/05 11:32 AM Hi Experts, I am working in IBIS model generation. And i found all models i generate usually having monotonicity problem in IV data,means eventhough it is free from all other errors and warnings it will be having one or two monotonicity warnings.I need yours valuable sugestion in this regard. I would be happy if anybody give me an idea for solving this.And i want to know the wide reasons for occurance of this. Thanks for your Support Best Regards Kiran Kumar Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:59:00 -0400 From: "Andrew Ingraham" Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models Non-monotonic warnings are common from the Pullup and Pulldown tables in I/O models. They are warnings, not errors, and they can usually be ignored (after looking at them to make sure there is nothing actually wrong). They commonly happen because of the way Pullup and Pulldown tables are made. Pullup and Pulldown tables are made by subtracting the clamp currents (measured with the I/O buffer tri-stated) from the drive currents (measured with the I/O buffers enabled). Where the clamp currents are significant, the subtraction becomes a small difference between two large numbers, and can be non-monotonic. Also, on many buffers the enabled and tri-stated curves converge towards one another at larger voltages where the clamp current is quite large, meaning that the pullup or pulldown transistor is not contributing any additional current not already going into the clamp. So the Pullup or Pulldown table becomes non-monotonic. This isn't really a problem for simulation, because the simulator should ONLY be working with the summed currents (Pullup or Pulldown plus Clamps), and THOSE currents should be monotonic. But the IBIS checker doesn't (and can't easily) sum the tables together before checking for non-monotonicity, so the result is all those warnings you are seeing. As long as the clamp currents, and the total currents, are monotonic, your device model should be OK. The other likely way to get non-monotonic tables, is if you are constructing an IBIS model from measurements. Noise in the measurements can result in weakly non-monotonic behavior. You can smooth out the data to avoid this. Regards, Andy |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:49:54 -0700 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models The IBIS checker will check summed curves if you make your IBIS file version 4.0 or higher. All you need to do is change the [IBIS Ver] value to 4.0 in your IBIS file and run the parser again, and you should get a lot fewer (or no) non-monotonic warnings that way. Arpad ====================================================== - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Ingraham Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:59 AM To: seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models ... ... ... This isn't really a problem for simulation, because the simulator should ONLY be working with the summed currents (Pullup or Pulldown plus Clamps), and THOSE currents should be monotonic. But the IBIS checker doesn't (and can't easily) sum the tables together before checking for non-monotonicity, so the result is all those warnings you are seeing. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:51:56 -0700 From: "lgreen" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C55474.5AFA2690 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0030_01C55474.5AFA2690" - ------=_NextPart_001_0030_01C55474.5AFA2690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Kiran, Please feel free to send one of your models to the IBIS Model Review Committee. Please put "IBIS Model Review Committee" in the body, allowing it to be distributed to the committee members. The model should be sent as an attachment. Further information can be found at http://www.eigroup.org/ibis/support.htm. Best regards, Lynne Green, IBIS Model Review Committee Chair _____ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 11:02 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org; owner-ibis-users@eda.org; si-list-bounce@freelists.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Monotonicity problem in IBIS models Hi Experts, I am working in IBIS model generation. And i found all models i generate usually having monotonicity problem in IV data,means eventhough it is free from all other errors and warnings it will be having one or two monotonicity warnings.I need yours valuable sugestion in this regard. I would be happy if anybody give me an idea for solving this.And i want to know the wide reasons for occurance of this. 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Hello, Kiran,
 
Please feel free to send one of your models to the IBIS = Model=20 Review Committee.
 
Please put "IBIS Model Review Committee" in the body, = allowing it=20 to be distributed to the committee members.  The model should be = sent as an=20 attachment.
 
Further information can be found at http://www.eigroup.org/i= bis/support.htm.
 
Best=20 regards,
Lynne=20 Green,  IBIS Model Review Committee = Chair

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Hi Experts,
    I am = working in=20 IBIS model generation. And i found all models i generate usually=20  having monotonicity problem in IV data,means eventhough it is free from all other = errors and=20 warnings it will be  having one or two
    = monotonicity=20 warnings.I need yours valuable sugestion in this = regard.
 
     I = would be=20 happy if  anybody give me an idea for solving this.And i want to = know the=20 wide reasons for occurance of  this.
 
Thanks for your = Support
 
Best Regards
Kiran Kumar
 
 
 
 

 



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ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:26:16 -0700 From: "Ray Anderson" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file David The package model values you cite in the [Package] section are the global min/max/nominal values for the package without respect to any particular pin and apply all the silicon models in the .ibs file. It tells you what the corner cases are for the longest and shortest traces but not what the package parasitics are for any particular pin. You could have separate package models with per pin RLC values defined for each particular silicon model (if that made sense in your application). Typically if you have different size die in a particular package size then you would have different per-pin RLC data. This per-pin data can be included either in the .ibs file or in an external .pkg file. - -Ray Raymond Anderson Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer Product Technology Department Advanced Package R&D Xilinx Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of CW - Doran David Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:09 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file Below is a model for IVDS receiver containing a package model which I'm not sure makes sense to include. In general, we have not included package in the ibis models because packages differ from project to project. If I include the package model in IBIS, I worry that it makes the model specific to one design. However, it seems that the package model is only under the component section and is only for that component, not for the LVDS models "LV16TR1P" and "LV16TR1N". So perhaps it's OK to keep the package model inside this LVDS buffer since it's really associated with a component "DDP3" rather than my LVDS models. Please let me know ant comments or suggestions how this is generally handled - whether or not to include package model in all IBIS models. Thanks! |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:31:57 -0700 From: "Tom Dagostino" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file Doran The package parasitics are associated with the component, not the input buffers. In this case the input buffers will receive their signals through the package model. One comment on the model. Your max ground clamp looks out of place. The min and typ have good diode characteristics but the max does not have a knee in the curve. Tom Dagostino Teraspeed Labs 13610 SW Harness Lane Beaverton, OR 97008 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com tom@teraspeed.com Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827 Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of CW - Doran David Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:09 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file Below is a model for IVDS receiver containing a package model which I'm not sure makes sense to include. In general, we have not included package in the ibis models because packages differ from project to project. If I include the package model in IBIS, I worry that it makes the model specific to one design. However, it seems that the package model is only under the component section and is only for that component, not for the LVDS models "LV16TR1P" and "LV16TR1N". So perhaps it's OK to keep the package model inside this LVDS buffer since it's really associated with a component "DDP3" rather than my LVDS models. Please let me know ant comments or suggestions how this is generally handled - whether or not to include package model in all IBIS models. Thanks! |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:43:52 -0700 From: "lgreen" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file Hello, Doran, One set of component package parameters is required in the IBIS file. If you are using "default" values, you should include a comment to that effect. An alternative is to include package parameters for each package that might be used. There are two ways to do this - comment out all except one of the package models, or use the [Alternate Package Models] keyword. The first alternative is portable across more SI tools. - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of CW - Doran David Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:09 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] question on including package models in IBIS file Below is a model for IVDS receiver containing a package model which I'm not sure makes sense to include. In general, we have not included package in the ibis models because packages differ from project to project. If I include the package model in IBIS, I worry that it makes the model specific to one design. However, it seems that the package model is only under the component section and is only for that component, not for the LVDS models "LV16TR1P" and "LV16TR1N". So perhaps it's OK to keep the package model inside this LVDS buffer since it's really associated with a component "DDP3" rather than my LVDS models. Please let me know ant comments or suggestions how this is generally handled - - whether or not to include package model in all IBIS models. Thanks! |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:04:31 -0400 From: "Lance Wang" Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: [IBIS] BIRD95.5: Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS Dear Syed et al, Your IBIS BIRD 95 proposal is one step forward towards a solution in which we can leverage IBIS in SSN and PI analyses. We appreciate the efforts of you and others who have contributed to this BIRD, and hope that we can all reap its benefits in the future. However, at this point in time, there are still some concerns/questions we have on the current proposal and would like to get these addressed before casting a supporting vote: 1. BIRD 95 focuses only on ONE pin at this time. We understand this is the "traditional" way IBIS looks at the problem. But, while we agree the BIRD appears to solve the challenge of modeling ONE buffer into ONE load, the degradation effects of MANY buffers switching is not accounted for (and may even be pre-empted by forcing the I/T characteristic of ONE buffer). 2. We also found that the "composite current" in BIRD 95 is likely under-specified right now (i.e., not enough data) to do the analysis accurately due to the strong dependency of the crowbar/pre-drive current on the specific load seen (Sam Chitwood had a presentation in DesignCon West 2005 mentioned this as well. Page 12, http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/jan05/chitwood.pdf). We do think this is an important piece that needs to be sorted out, especially if we intend to deal with SSN and PI at the system level, which we believe is the right approach. To take the next step forward, we ask you to give out your SPICE reference circuit to the public as Intel did when IBIS was originally proposed. Thus, the rest of us can better understand your perspective/assumptions. Donald Telian asked for this publicly at DesignCon West 2005. And we all happily heard Sergio's positive response. This is why I had suggested moving the Voting out for couple of weeks at least on this BIRD. Extending the vote out will allow us collectively to address the issues raised above by Cadence as well as others in the IBIS community. Should you decide to continue with the voting this Friday, Cadence will have to vote NO, since we think we can collectively come up with an improved proposal that addresses the goals and objectives for SSN and PI. We are working on extending this IBIS 95.5 proposal to address the issues I raised above. We will share our ideas, proposal and reference data/circuits when it is ready. Thank you, and let's take IBIS forward together! Lance Wang Cadence Design Systems, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Syed Huq Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:38 PM To: ibis; ibis-users Subject: [IBIS] BIRD95.5: Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS To All: BIRD95.5 clarifies some node connections per some comments received at the IBIS meeting on April 22, 2005 and privately from John Angulo to add and clarify the "power reference terminal". Also some of the text is revised to focus on the internal terminals. Some change areas are noted by |***** lines and in the ANALYSIS ... section. BIRD95.5 will be up for vote in the Fri May 13 IBIS Teleconference. Syed Huq - -- Cisco Systems, Inc Acting Chair - EIA IBIS Forum |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:30:40 -0700 From: Syed Huq Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: [IBIS] BIRD95.5: Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS Lance, We had covered most of these in the Teleconf today. Here is a brief response for those who could not join. See in-line: - - Syed On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 13:04, Lance Wang wrote: > Dear Syed et al, > Your IBIS BIRD 95 proposal is one step forward towards a solution in > which we can leverage IBIS in SSN and PI analyses. We appreciate the > efforts of you and others who have contributed to this BIRD, and hope > that we can all reap its benefits in the future. > > However, at this point in time, there are still some concerns/questions > we have on the current proposal and would like to get these addressed > before casting a supporting vote: > > 1. BIRD 95 focuses only on ONE pin at this time. We understand this > is the "traditional" way IBIS looks at the problem. But, while we agree > the BIRD appears to solve the challenge of modeling ONE buffer into ONE > load, the degradation effects of MANY buffers switching is not accounted > for (and may even be pre-empted by forcing the I/T characteristic of ONE > buffer). > 2. We also found that the "composite current" in BIRD 95 is likely > under-specified right now (i.e., not enough data) to do the analysis > accurately due to the strong dependency of the crowbar/pre-drive current > on the specific load seen (Sam Chitwood had a presentation in DesignCon > West 2005 mentioned this as well. Page 12, > http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/jan05/chitwood.pdf). We do think > this is an important piece that needs to be sorted out, especially if we > intend to deal with SSN and PI at the system level, which we believe is > the right approach. > Your concerns are duly noted. We are always open to hearing valuable comments from the Industry. For item#1, we feel the current solution does produce acceptable results. We look forward to hearing more from you as to your approach/solution to the addressed problem. For item#2, it is always a challenge on how EDA vendors implement the usage of multiple tables/loads within their tools. Maybe a cookbook type of recommendation is needed to address your concern. Hopefully you can share what you have done related to loading effects etc. Again, we look forward to more engagement so we can understand if a separate BIRD should address this or does the current BIRD95.5 need to address this. It is always better to break down a complex problem into smaller pieces such that we can solve it easier. BIRD95.1 started targeting a larger problem, eventually we scaled it down to BIRD95.5 along with BIRD97.1(Gate Modulation Effect by Arpad) without compromising accuracy. > To take the next step forward, we ask you to give out your SPICE > reference circuit to the public as Intel did when IBIS was originally > proposed. Thus, the rest of us can better understand your > perspective/assumptions. Donald Telian asked for this publicly at > DesignCon West 2005. And we all happily heard Sergio's positive > response. > We are always eager to share data, results, methodology (refer to last DesignCon summit presentation) to help the community understand what we have been doing related to this BIRD. Since we are not a semiconductor house, the models we use are obtained under NDA from our suppliers. So we cannot fulfill your wish at this moment. Since you are doing similar studies at your end, maybe you can share your models and we will be happy to re-simulate and share all data. As per Arpad's generous offer of the models from his class, we will look at those and do our simulations. As long as the models have pre-driver ckts, we should be fine. > This is why I had suggested moving the Voting out for couple of weeks at > least on this BIRD. Extending the vote out will allow us collectively to > address the issues raised above by Cadence as well as others in the IBIS > community. Should you decide to continue with the voting this Friday, > Cadence will have to vote NO, since we think we can collectively come up > with an improved proposal that addresses the goals and objectives for > SSN and PI. > We are not in any rush. Since you need a couple of weeks, we look forward to hearing more from you. We will re-schedule the vote for a latter date. Our next technical discussion in on May19th, look forward to talking to you more. > We are working on extending this IBIS 95.5 proposal to address the > issues I raised above. We will share our ideas, proposal and reference > data/circuits when it is ready. > > Thank you, and let's take IBIS forward together! > > Lance Wang > Cadence Design Systems, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Syed > Huq > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:38 PM > To: ibis; ibis-users > Subject: [IBIS] BIRD95.5: Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS > > To All: > > BIRD95.5 clarifies some node connections per some comments received > at the IBIS meeting on April 22, 2005 and privately from John Angulo > to add and clarify the "power reference terminal". Also some of the > text is revised to focus on the internal terminals. > > Some change areas are noted by |***** lines and in the ANALYSIS ... > section. > > BIRD95.5 will be up for vote in the Fri May 13 IBIS Teleconference. > > Syed Huq |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:07:02 -0700 From: Syed Huq Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS Summit Second Call for Papers - DAC June14th, 2005, Anaheim CA - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS SUMMIT SECOND CALL FOR PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: Tuesday June 14, 2005, 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM Location: Anahein Marriott 700 West Convention Way Anaheim, California 92802-3483 Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Sponsors: IBIS Open Forum If your company would be interested in sponsoring this event, please contact Syed Huq . Sponsorship is available for the room, lunch, and coffee breaks. DAC: June 13-17, 2005 Anaheim Convention Center Anaheim, California FREE Exhibit Pass is available on Monday only. See for more information. BACKGROUND The Design Automation Conference (DAC) is the premier Electronic Design Automation (EDA) and silicon solution event. DAC features over 50 technical sessions covering the latest in design methodologies and EDA tool developments in addition to an exhibit floor, with combined booth and demo suites, showcasing over 200 of the leading EDA, silicon and IP providers. Topics of current interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DAC. This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting. Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least two weeks prior to the meeting. The annual election of officers will be held. Nominations can be sent to Syed Huq or made at the meeting. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below: Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Syed Huq at Cisco Systems, Inc (shuq@cisco.com) CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Format of Presentation: LCD Projection with Windows laptop. Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat. Electronic presentations should be made available by June 7, 2004 for uploading and copying to the presentation laptop. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to: Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com) AGENDA The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a luncheon (which will be provided). This will be developed as presentation proposals are received. The following individuals have signed up to present at the summit (presentation titles are tentative). - IBIS Chair's Report, Michael Mirmak, Intel - Multi-Gigabit SerDes Analysis using IBISv4.1/VHDL-AMS, Syed Huq/Ian Dodd, Cisco Systems, Inc & Mentor Graphics - TBD(OMC Project), Sumit Dasgupta, Si2 - TBD, Arpad Muranyi, Intel - Things you can learn from V-I curves, Todd Westerhoff, Cisco Systems, Inc LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | 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http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 15:51:57 +0530 From: "Vivek Kumar Sundriyal" Subject: [IBIS-Users] problem with the rising and falling waveforms Hi , On running the IBISCHK4 on a generated IBIS model, I get the following error : ERROR - Model K3B07LG24Q7_QQ60: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 3.46v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages ( 0.00V and 4.23V), a difference of 0.03% and 18.33%, respectively. ERROR - Model K3B07LG24Q7_QQ60: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3.6V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.11V and 3.60v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages ( 0.11V and 4.40V), a difference of 0.04% and 18.69%, respectively. Can anyone guide me on the cause of this error ? And how can I get over with it ? Thanks , Vivek |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:08:04 -0700 From: "Arnab Hazarika" Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] problem with the rising and falling waveforms Hi vivek, This problem occurs because the simulation time provided is less for the buffer model generation You got this error ERROR - Model K3B07LG24Q7_QQ60: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 3.46v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages ( 0.00V and 4.23V), a difference of 0.03% and 18.33%, respectively. Now check the The [Falling Waveform] with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V for the MAX column you will find the end point to be 4.23V. Now for model syntax checker mismatch is there because the rising and falling should be continuous for the whole wave.This happens because transient analysis for the rising waveform could not attain the value to make the curve continuous . So to solve the problem increase the simulation time Hope this solves your problem. Best Regards Arnab Hazarika - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vivek Kumar Sundriyal" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:21 AM Subject: [IBIS-Users] problem with the rising and falling waveforms > > Hi , > > On running the IBISCHK4 on a generated IBIS model, I get the following error : > > ERROR - Model K3B07LG24Q7_QQ60: The [Rising Waveform] > with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=0V > has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.00V and 3.46v, but > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields > different voltages ( 0.00V and 4.23V), > a difference of 0.03% and 18.33%, respectively. > ERROR - Model K3B07LG24Q7_QQ60: The [Rising Waveform] > with [R_fixture]=100 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3.6V > has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.11V and 3.60v, but > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields > different voltages ( 0.11V and 4.40V), > a difference of 0.04% and 18.69%, respectively. > > > Can anyone guide me on the cause of this error ? And how can I get over with it > ? > > Thanks , > > Vivek > > > > |------------------------------------------------------------------ > |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org > |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: > | > | help > | subscribe ibis > | subscribe ibis-users > | unsubscribe ibis > | unsubscribe ibis-users > | > |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. > | > |IBIS reflector archives exist under: > | > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent > | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 06:05:55 -0700 From: Kingen Rickey-u1018 Subject: [IBIS-Users] S2ibis2 Model File Problem Hello IBIS users, I am getting the following error when I run s2ibis2 using the [Model File] key word. My primary ioclkop.ckt is a blank file so that the [Model File] files have the netlist and lib calls for the typ, best case, and worst case. s2ibis2.linux v2_6-Beta -- North Carolina State University/Motorola s2ibis2.linux: Reading input file ioclkop...done. s2ibis2.linux: Analyzing component IOCLKOP for MPC860P . s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input putout.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input pdtout.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input rutout.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input rdtout.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input a00out.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Starting MCSPICE job with input x00out.spi. s2ibis2.linux: Unable to open file ioclkop.ckt for reading. s2ibis2.linux: No such file or directory s2ibis2.linux: Error in analysis for pin out. s2ibis2.linux: Opening file ioclkop.ibs for writing...done. My ioclkop.s2i file has the following keywords in it. [Spice file] ioclkop.ckt [Model] clk [Model type] OUTPUT [Polarity] Non-Inverting [Model file] ioclkop.typ ioclkop.min ioclkop.max [Vmeas] 1.20V [Cref] 50.0pF |[Rref] 50 [Vref] 0V [Rising waveform] 50 3.3 3.0 3.6 NA NA NA NA NA |[Rising waveform] 50 0 0 0 NA NA NA NA NA |[Falling waveform] 50 3.3 3.0 3.6 NA NA NA NA NA [Falling waveform] 50 0 0 0 NA NA NA NA NA Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Rick Kingen Freescale Semiconductor |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ End of ibis-users V1 #58 ************************