From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org (ibis-users) To: ibis-users-digest@eda.org Subject: ibis-users V1 #68 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Errors-To: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Precedence: bulk ibis-users Tuesday, December 6 2005 Volume 01 : Number 068 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:52:10 -0300 From: "Raul Moreira" Subject: [IBIS-Users] RES: IBIS MODELs Request This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5DE33.0D9C1B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 _____ =20 De: Raul Moreira [mailto:raul@lesc.ufc.br]=20 Enviada em: segunda-feira, 31 de outubro de 2005 11:32 Para: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Assunto: IBIS MODELs Request =20 Hello, =20 Let me introduce myself, I work for LESC (Computer System Engineering Laboratory) at UFC (Federal University of Cear=E1) in = Brazil.=20 =20 We are designing our first high-speed system (PCB) with Cadence Allegro = SPB 15.5. Therefore, it=92s the first time that we are considering a signal integrity study. =20 As we know, generally the IBIS Models quality is poor. We = trust on the referred Cadence Tool (in according to some published success = cases), but we would like to validate (check) the quality of the IBIS Models = that we need to use to verify our signal integrity requirements.=20 =20 We proceed with the importation of some Ibis files (supplied = by the vendor IC) of some Parts (ICs and Connectors) that we will use in = our design. As result we obtained some Allegro log files, reporting compatibility errors and warnings.=20 =20 Our project schedule is short. So, we don=B4t have time to study IBIS = very well. Could you help us indicating someone to execute a service to = repair the Ibis of the Parts that we have the IBIS (received from the = manufacturer) and another to create the IBIS Files (or Allegro .DML Files) on the = cases that we don=92t have the IBIS (some manufacturers informed us that they = don=92t have, for example, the Hyperstone F2-16X-FU5). =20 Trusting in your help, =20 Raul Moreira =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5DE33.0D9C1B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

De: Raul = Moreira [mailto:raul@lesc.ufc.br]
Enviada em: = segunda-feira, 31 de outubro de 2005 11:32
Para: = 'ibis-users@eda.org'
Assunto: IBIS MODELs = Request

 

Hello,

 

        = ;    Let me introduce myself, I work for LESC (Computer System Engineering Laboratory) at UFC (Federal University of Cear=E1) in Brazil. =

 

We are = designing our first high-speed system = (PCB) with Cadence Allegro SPB 15.5. Therefore, it’s the first time that we = are considering a signal integrity study.

 

        = ;    As we know, generally the IBIS Models quality is poor. We trust on the = referred Cadence Tool (in according to some published success cases), but we = would like to validate (check) the quality of the IBIS Models that we need to use = to verify our signal integrity requirements.

 

        = ;    We proceed with the importation of some Ibis files (supplied by the = vendor IC) of some Parts (ICs and Connectors) that we will use in our design. As = result we obtained some Allegro log files, reporting compatibility errors and = warnings.

 

Our project = schedule is short. So, we don=B4t have time to study IBIS very well. Could you help = us indicating someone to execute a service to repair the Ibis of the Parts = that we have the IBIS (received from the manufacturer) and another to create the IBIS Files (or Allegro = .DML Files) on the cases that we don’t have the IBIS (some = manufacturers informed us that they don’t have, for example, the Hyperstone F2-16X-FU5).

 

Trusting in your = help,

 

        = ;    Raul Moreira

        = ;   

 

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09:13:59 +0100 From: Subject: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi IBIS Experts, I am not so long here on this forum, but I have never seen that somebody has discussed a Multi Chip Package topics. The number of MCP's is growing, but I think there is still no solution how should be MCP's and especially their Packages handled by IBIS. Are there any ideas, cookbooks, procedures, recommendations etc. how to handle them? Sooner or later everybody from us will have to make an IBIS model for one MCP and it would be nice if we all do it on unique way and not by applying our special solutions for which we think that are correct ... Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ Infineon Technologies AG MP PD PDE Room 03.911 Balanstraße 73 D-81541 München Phone: +49 (0)89 234 20108 Fax: +49 (0)89 234 27705 Fax (PC): +49 (0)89 234 955 5305 E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:44:33 -0800 From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi I am not sure if you are familiar with the IBIS EBD(Electrical Board Description) models. Currently DIMM modules that has multiple components on it can be modeled with this EBD modeling scheme. Layout parasitics (uncoupled) along with all the IBIS component models are put together in this EBD format. Externally, users only see the pinout of the DIMM. I believe the MCPs can also be done in a similar fashion. http://eda.org/pub/ibis/ver4.1/ver4_1.pdf (see section8) Regards, Syed Vice-Chair ANSI/EIA-656A Cisco Systems, Inc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:14 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi IBIS Experts, I am not so long here on this forum, but I have never seen that somebody has discussed a Multi Chip Package topics. The number of MCP's is growing, but I think there is still no solution how should be MCP's and especially their Packages handled by IBIS. Are there any ideas, cookbooks, procedures, recommendations etc. how to handle them? Sooner or later everybody from us will have to make an IBIS model for one MCP and it would be nice if we all do it on unique way and not by applying our special solutions for which we think that are correct ... Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ Infineon Technologies AG MP PD PDE Room 03.911 Balanstraße 73 D-81541 München Phone: +49 (0)89 234 20108 Fax: +49 (0)89 234 27705 Fax (PC): +49 (0)89 234 955 5305 E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:19:17 -0800 From: "Lynne D. Green" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi, Radovan and Syed, If coupling is required in the MCP/MCM model, then one could consider an IBIS ICM (InterConnect Model). - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Syed Huq (shuq) Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 8:45 AM To: Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com; ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi I am not sure if you are familiar with the IBIS EBD(Electrical Board Description) models. Currently DIMM modules that has multiple components on it can be modeled with this EBD modeling scheme. Layout parasitics (uncoupled) along with all the IBIS component models are put together in this EBD format. Externally, users only see the pinout of the DIMM. I believe the MCPs can also be done in a similar fashion. http://eda.org/pub/ibis/ver4.1/ver4_1.pdf (see section8) Regards, Syed Vice-Chair ANSI/EIA-656A Cisco Systems, Inc - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:14 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Multi Chip Packages Hi IBIS Experts, I am not so long here on this forum, but I have never seen that somebody has discussed a Multi Chip Package topics. The number of MCP's is growing, but I think there is still no solution how should be MCP's and especially their Packages handled by IBIS. Are there any ideas, cookbooks, procedures, recommendations etc. how to handle them? Sooner or later everybody from us will have to make an IBIS model for one MCP and it would be nice if we all do it on unique way and not by applying our special solutions for which we think that are correct ... Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ Infineon Technologies AG MP PD PDE Room 03.911 Balanstraße 73 D-81541 München Phone: +49 (0)89 234 20108 Fax: +49 (0)89 234 27705 Fax (PC): +49 (0)89 234 955 5305 E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:47:37 -0800 From: Bob Ross Subject: [IBIS-Users] Asian IBIS Summit Fifth Announcement To All: This is the fifth announcement for the Asian IBIS Summit in Shenzhen, China, a major technology center near Hong Kong. The meeting is being held at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, and several IBIS experts are planning to attend. If you are in Asia and planning to attend, please officially let us know to help is with our logistics and reservations. The agenda is full with high quality presentations from the US and Asian countries. The main benefit is to meet IBIS experts and people actively involved with IBIS model development, algorithm development, and usage. Below the latest titles/topics and presenters show the scope the meeting content. The formal agenda will be announced later. - - IBIS and Behavioral Modeling Mirmak, Michael (Intel Corporation (USA) - - Using IBIS for SI Analysis Wang, Lance* and Zhong, ZhangMin** (Cadence Design Systems, *USA and **China) - - Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology Experiences with IBIS Models Zheng, Qi (Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology, China) - - JEITA EDA - WG Activity and Study of Interconnect Model Watanabe, Takeshi (NEC Electronics Corporation, Japan) - - Three Facets of IBIS: Interface, Behavior and Measurement Dodd, Ian* and Li, Henry** (Mentor Graphics Corporation, *USA and **China) - - IBIS and Power Delivery Systems Jiang, XiangZhong, Li, JinJun, and Zhang, ShengLi (Huawei Technologies, China) - - Power Delivery System, Signal Return Path and SSO Analysis Guidelines Chen, Raymond Y. and Chitwood, Sam (Sigrity, USA) - - Splitting the C_comp for Power Integrity Simulations Yang, Zhiping (Apple Computer, USA) - - Macro Model and Multi-GHz System Simulation Zhu, ShunLin (ZTE Corporation, China) - - IBIS Models for DDR2 Analysis Katz, Barry (Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft), USA) - - Practical Measurement vs. Simulation Correlation with DDR2 667 Interface Shoji, Kazuyoshi (Hitachi ULSI Systems, Japan) - - Simulation with IBIS in Tight Timing Budget System Sui, ShiJu (ZTE Corporation, China) - - Improving IBIS ECL Algorithms Ross, Bob (Teraspeed Consulting Group, USA) Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group Lance Wang Cadence Design Systems - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ASIAN IBIS SUMMIT FIFTH CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/ASIAN_IBIS_SUMMIT_CHINESE.pdf http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/ASIAN_IBIS_SUMMIT_CH_TRA-2.pdf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A S I A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: Tuesday December 6, 2005, 8:00 AM to 5:30 PM Meeting starts at 9:00 AM Location: Crowne Plaza Hotel Shenzhen 9026 Shennan Rd, OCT Shenzhen, 518053 CHINA Tel: 86-755-26936888 Fax: 86-755-26936999 E-mail: cpsz@cpsz.com http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hd/SZXNS Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Primary Sponsor: Huawei Technologies Co-sponsors (in alphabetical order): Cadence Design Systems, Mentor Graphics Corporation, Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft), and Sigrity Contact us for details regarding sponsorship. Cost: FREE, including refreshments and buffet lunch Vendors: Some vendors will have information tables outside the meeting room BACKGROUND Shenzhen, next to Hong Kong, is a special economic zone in the Peoples Republic of China with many high technology companies and many development and sales offices of foreign companies. Many sites of interest are near the conference hotel. Like the European IBIS Summit, our objective is to reach out internationally to communicate with the local experts and to learn of regional concerns. CONFERENCE LANGUAGE The conference language is English, but we will plan for technical translation as needed in a manner to be determined. So presenters can optionally deliver in Chinese as long as an English version of the material is available. IBIS SUMMIT This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting. Presentations will be archived in an electronic format on our Summits site, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. However, no formal decisions requiring votes will be planned. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below: Name: E-mail address: Company: Top-level Web Link: Country: Telephone: Comments: (Such as assistance for the travel requirements at the end) Send to BOTH: Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group bob@teraspeed.com Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems lwang@cadence.com SIGNUP DEADLINE: November 25, 2005 AGENDA 8:15 - 9:00 Sign in, casual conversation, vendor tables 9:00 - 12:00 Presentations 12:00 - 13:30 Free buffet lunch, vendor tables 13:30 - 17:30 Presentations 17:30 - 18:30 Casual conversations, vendor tables The following companies are planning presentations: China: Huawei Technologies, ZTE Corporation, Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology Japan: NEC Electronics Corportion (on JEITA), Hitachi ULSI Systems USA Cadence Design Systems, Cisco Systems, Intel Corporation, Mentor Graphics Corporation, Signal Intergrity Software (SiSoft), Sigrity, and Teraspeed Consulting Group LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS AND TRAVEL RULES Hotels in all price ranges can be found through internet searches. A link to the conference hotel, Crown Plaza Hotel Shenzhen, is: http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hd/SZXNS Comply with your travel rules, such as indicated in the link below to China and Shenzhen. Work with your travel agent. Notify us as a sign-up comment if you need assistance. Visas, if needed, should fall in the visit/business category: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa.htm - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 401-284-1827 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@teraspeed.com Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:19:16 -0800 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] BIRD 100: Allow Analog-Only *-AMS Model Terminals This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E62B.A4E0607E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Please find enclosed BIRD100, Allow Analog-Only *-AMS Model Terminals, from Ian Dodd of Mentor Graphics Corp. and Arpad Muranyi of Intel Corp. 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When calling into the meeting, provide the bridge number and passcode at the automated prompts. If asked by an operator, please request to join the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Michael Mirmak. For international numbers, please contact Michael Mirmak. 8:00 Check-In, Intros, Announcements Mirmak - Intros of New IBIS Participants, Meeting Quorum Mirmak - Call for Patents Mirmak - Membership Update and Treasurer's Report Mirmak - Review of Previous Meeting's Minutes (and ARs) Mirmak October 28, 2005 Open Forum Minutes - Web Page Updates Huq - Mailing List Administration Ross - Library Update Wang - Announcements, Opens for New Issues All 8:15 Project Discussions and Subcommittee Reports International/External Progress - TC93/TC47 Updates Ross EIA, ANSI Approval Activities Wolff - ICM 1.1 Standardization as GEIA-STD-0001 - Cookbook as GEIA Engineering Bulletin? Summit Status All - Asian IBIS Summit (Dec. 6) - DesignCon Summit (Feb. 6) - DATE (Mar. 10) Task Group Reports - Quality Haller - Model Review Green - Futures Mirmak - Cookbook Mirmak - Macromodeling Library Muranyi New Issues All 8:45 Technical Discussion BIRD97.2: Gate Modulation Effect Muranyi BIRD98: Gate Modulation Effect (table format) Muranyi BIRD100: Allow Analog-Only *-AMS Model Terminal Dodd/Muranyi Options for Next IBIS Version Discussion Mirmak - Including Pending & Draft BIRDs IBISCHK4 BUG Status All ICMCHK1 BUG Status All New Technical Issues All 9:50 Wrap Up and Next Meeting Plans Mirmak - December 16, 2005 IBIS Open Forum (tentative) - January 6, 2006 IBIS Open Forum (tentative) 9:55 Sign Off |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:16:15 -0300 From: "Raul Moreira" Subject: [IBIS-Users] Gigabit Ethernet This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5EA9F.38DDB240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 It is my high-speed design. =20 I would to know if anyone could help me about how to route differential pairs of a Gigabit Ethernet Interface. About PCB routing = rules, from Ethernet controller to Ethernet connector. I designed a co-layer solution with Realtek RTL8100C (Fast Ethernet controller) and RTL8110SB (Gigabit Ethernet Controller). =20 I don=B4t have the Ethernet Controller IBIS file (the = Ethernet interface pins are not included on the IBIS supplied by Realtek). But, I took a SPICE model from Connector datasheet (pulse Jack). =20 I work with Allegro SPB15.5 with SI tools. =20 Trusting in your help, =20 Raul Moreira =20 HW & SI Engineer =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5EA9F.38DDB240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 It is my = high-speed design.

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I would to = know if anyone could help me about how to route differential pairs of a Gigabit Ethernet Interface. = About PCB routing rules, from Ethernet controller to Ethernet connector. I = designed a co-layer solution with Realtek RTL8100C (Fast Ethernet controller) and RTL8110SB (Gigabit Ethernet Controller).

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I don=B4t = have the Ethernet Controller IBIS file (the Ethernet interface pins are not included on the IBIS supplied = by Realtek). But, I took a SPICE model from Connector datasheet (pulse = Jack).

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I work with = Allegro SPB15.5 with SI tools.

 

Trusting in your = help,

 

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5EA9F.38DDB240-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:06:24 -0800 From: Bob Ross Subject: [IBIS-Users] Asian IBIS Summit Sixth Announcement To All: This is the sixth and final announcement for the Asian IBIS Summit in Shenzhen, China, a major technology center near Hong Kong. The meeting is being held at the Crowne Plaza Hotel, and several IBIS experts are planning to attend. If you are in Asia and planning to attend, please officially let us know to help is with our logistics and reservations. The agenda is full with high quality presentations from the US and Asian countries. The main benefit is to meet IBIS experts and people actively involved with IBIS model development, algorithm development, and usage. Below the latest titles/topics and presenters show the scope the meeting content. The formal agenda will be announced later. - - IBIS and Behavioral Modeling Mirmak, Michael (Intel Corporation (USA) - - Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology Experiences with IBIS Models Zheng, Qi (Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology, China) - - Simulation with IBIS in Tight Timing Budget System Sui, ShiJu (ZTE Corporation, China) - - Three Facets of IBIS: Interface, Behavior and Measurement Dodd, Ian* and Li, Henry** (Mentor Graphics Corporation, *USA and **China) - - JEITA EDA - WG Activity and Study of Interconnect Model Watanabe, Takeshi (NEC Electronics Corporation, Japan) - - IBIS and Power Delivery Systems Jiang, XiangZhong, Li, JinJun, and Zhang, ShengLi (Huawei Technologies, China) - - Power Delivery System, Signal Return Path and SSO Analysis Guidelines Chen, Raymond Y. and Chitwood, Sam (Sigrity, USA) - - Splitting the C_comp for Power Integrity Simulations Yang, Zhiping (Apple Computer, USA) - - Using IBIS for SI Analysis Wang, Lance* and Zhong, ZhangMin** (Cadence Design Systems, *USA and **China) - - Macro Model and Multi-GHz System Simulation Zhu, ShunLin (ZTE Corporation, China) - - IBIS Models for DDR2 Analysis Katz, Barry (Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft), USA) - - Practical Measurement vs. Simulation Correlation with DDR2 667 Interface Shoji, Kazuyoshi (Hitachi ULSI Systems, Japan) - - Improving IBIS ECL Algorithms Ross, Bob (Teraspeed Consulting Group, USA) Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group Lance Wang Cadence Design Systems - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ASIAN IBIS SUMMIT SIXTH CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/ASIAN_IBIS_SUMMIT_CHINESE.pdf http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/ASIAN_IBIS_SUMMIT_CH_TRA-2.pdf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A S I A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G Time/Date: Tuesday December 6, 2005, 8:00 AM to 5:30 PM Meeting starts at 9:00 AM Location: Crowne Plaza Hotel Shenzhen 9026 Shennan Rd, OCT Shenzhen, 518053 CHINA Tel: 86-755-26936888 Fax: 86-755-26936999 E-mail: cpsz@cpsz.com http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hd/SZXNS Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Primary Sponsor: Huawei Technologies Co-sponsors (in alphabetical order): Cadence Design Systems, Mentor Graphics Corporation, Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft), and Sigrity Cost: FREE, including refreshments and buffet lunch Vendors: Some vendors will have information tables outside the meeting room BACKGROUND Shenzhen, next to Hong Kong, is a special economic zone in the Peoples Republic of China with many high technology companies and many development and sales offices of foreign companies. Many sites of interest are near the conference hotel. Like the European IBIS Summit, our objective is to reach out internationally to communicate with the local experts and to learn of regional concerns. CONFERENCE LANGUAGE The conference language is English, but we will plan for technical translation as needed in a manner to be determined. So presenters can optionally deliver in Chinese as long as an English version of the material is available. IBIS SUMMIT This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting. Presentations will be archived in an electronic format on our Summits site, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. However, no formal decisions requiring votes will be planned. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below: Name: E-mail address: Company: Top-level Web Link: Country: Telephone: Comments: (Such as assistance for the travel requirements at the end) Send to BOTH: Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group bob@teraspeed.com Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems lwang@cadence.com SIGNUP DEADLINE: November 25, 2005 AGENDA 8:15 - 9:00 Sign in, casual conversation, vendor tables 9:00 - 12:00 Presentations 12:00 - 13:30 Free buffet lunch, vendor tables 13:30 - 17:30 Presentations 17:30 - 18:30 Casual conversations, vendor tables The following companies are planning presentations: China: Huawei Technologies, ZTE Corporation, Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology Japan: NEC Electronics Corportion (on JEITA), Hitachi ULSI Systems USA Apple Computer, Cadence Design Systems, Intel Corporation, Mentor Graphics Corporation, Signal Intergrity Software (SiSoft), Sigrity, and Teraspeed Consulting Group LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS AND TRAVEL RULES Hotels in all price ranges can be found through internet searches. 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Visas, if needed, should fall in the visit/business category: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/embassy/visa.htm - ----------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 401-284-1827 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@teraspeed.com Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:56:35 -0800 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] Presentation material for Nov. 18, 2005 IBIS Open Forum teleconference The agenda for the November 18, 2005 IBIS Open Forum teleconference includes a discussion of pending IBIS BIRDs and future specification options. The presentation material for this discussion has been posted to the Futures Task Group website. You can download and view this material through the link below: http://www.eda.org/ibis/futures/ibis-future-plans-111705.pdf - - Michael Mirmak Intel Corp. Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:41:31 +0100 From: Subject: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Hi IBIS experts, I have a question considering using [Pin Mapping] for input models. Question would be: how many entries should be for input buffer in for [Pin Mapping] keyword? Specification says: "Each line must contain either three, five or six entries." (Btw., in specification there is no example for input buffer) Format of command is: [Pin Mapping] pulldown_ref pullup_ref gnd_clamp_ref power_clamp_ref ext_ref So if I write for example: A1 GND VCC There are only 3 entries, but according to format specification second and third entry are used for pulldown reference and pullup reference respective, what is a nonsense in this case, because input buffers have only power and ground clamps and no pull-up and pull down references. If I write something like: A1 NC NC GND VCC This according to my opinion makes more sense, but still I have to use NC for pull-up and pull down references. What I was able to find as an example on Internet had always 5 entries, like: A1 GND VCC GND VCC For me this is senseless, because, as said before, one input buffer has only power and ground clamps. So, can somebody write me what is a proper format for input buffer in [Pin Mapping] ? Thanks, Radovan Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ Infineon Technologies AG MP PD PDE Room 03.911 Balanstraße 73 D-81541 München Phone: +49 (0)89 234 20108 Fax: +49 (0)89 234 27705 Fax (PC): +49 (0)89 234 955 5305 E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:36:51 -0800 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Radovan, The IBIS specification says that you should use NC. | Each line must contain either three, five or six entries. | Use the reserved word NC where an entry is required but a bus | connection is not made (see below). NC for the pulldown and pullup references doesn't mean that the buffer model has them, you just are not connecting them. It means that you are not making a connection to those rails for whatever reason, which in your case is that they don't exist for your input model. Arpad =============================================== - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:42 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Hi IBIS experts, I have a question considering using [Pin Mapping] for input models. Question would be: how many entries should be for input buffer in for [Pin Mapping] keyword? Specification says: "Each line must contain either three, five or six entries." (Btw., in specification there is no example for input buffer) Format of command is: [Pin Mapping] pulldown_ref pullup_ref gnd_clamp_ref power_clamp_ref ext_ref So if I write for example: A1 GND VCC There are only 3 entries, but according to format specification second and third entry are used for pulldown reference and pullup reference respective, what is a nonsense in this case, because input buffers have only power and ground clamps and no pull-up and pull down references. If I write something like: A1 NC NC GND VCC This according to my opinion makes more sense, but still I have to use NC for pull-up and pull down references. What I was able to find as an example on Internet had always 5 entries, like: A1 GND VCC GND VCC For me this is senseless, because, as said before, one input buffer has only power and ground clamps. So, can somebody write me what is a proper format for input buffer in [Pin Mapping] ? Thanks, Radovan Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gru?en / S postovanjem Radovan Vuletic Infineon Technologies AG MP PD PDE Room 03.911 Balanstra?e 73 D-81541 Munchen Phone: +49 (0)89 234 20108 Fax: +49 (0)89 234 27705 Fax (PC): +49 (0)89 234 955 5305 E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:34:11 +0100 From: Ralf Bruening Subject: [IBIS-Users] [SI-LIST] European IBIS Summit At DATe 2006 - First Call for Paper/Call for Participation To All: We have been holding successful European IBIS Summit Meetings for the past seven years. Next year we are again holding a meeting along with DATe 06 on Friday, March 10, 2006. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments are planned. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentation proposals. Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design ZUKEN EMC Technology Center - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I R S T C A L L F O R P A R T I C I P A T I O N Time/Date: 9:00 AM - 2:00 PM, Friday, March 10, 2006 Location: Meeting room @ ICM Messe Munich (Munich ICM Congress Center) Munich, Germany (where DATE 2006 is being held). Free DATE 2006 exhibition registration for room entry, see URL below. Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas Sponsors: Tentative so far, not committed: Zuken, Mentor Graphics, Cadence Design Systems/Flowcad, Siemens. If your company would be interested in sponsoring this event, please contact or Ralf Bruening under . Benefits to sponsors include formal recognition at the meeting and mention in the Calls for Papers and meeting minutes. Your financial support strengthens the organization by allowing IBIS to focus resources on industry activities rather than raising money, and you will receive generous thanks for your support. DATE 2006 Conference: March 06-10, 2006. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day after the DATE 2005 exhibition ends. Location: ICM International Congress Center, Munich, Germany DATE URL: http://www.date-conference.com Background: DATE (Design, Automation, and Test in Europe) is the only European event dedicated to electronic system design and test. Topics of current interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DATE. This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting. Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least two weeks prior to the meeting. Topics and presentations may include (list is open for further contributions): - Submitted Presentations on IBIS Topics (See below) - Information about the most recent IBIS Developments - Less formal Ad Hoc Presentations and Discussions - IBIS and Modelling Questions and Answers The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments are planned. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentation proposals. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, Febrary 24th, 2006): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some suggested subjects of interest are: - IBIS Model Development Experiences - Company IBIS Standards and Requirements - Generating and Validating IBIS Models - Future IBIS Requirements - Modelling of dedicated technology issues (i.e. connectors, very high speed interfaces) - EMC/EMI and Power Integrity IBIS Issues - Experiences using IBIS in the PCB Design process Format of Presentation: LCD or Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat PDF. Electronic presentations should be made available by February the 25th, 2005. Otherwise the presentor will be expected to provide 30 copies for distribution. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to both: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) AGENDA The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a luncheon (which will be provided). This will be developed as presentation proposals are received. LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. 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Next year we are again holding a meeting along with DATe 06 on Friday, March 10, 2006. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments are planned. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentation proposals. Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design ZUKEN EMC Technology Center - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I R S T C A L L F O R P A R T I C I P A T I O N Time/Date: 9:00 AM - 2:00 PM, Friday, March 10, 2006 Location: Meeting room @ ICM Messe Munich (Munich ICM Congress Center) Munich, Germany (where DATE 2006 is being held). Free DATE 2006 exhibition registration for room entry, see URL below. Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas Sponsors: Tentative so far, not committed: Zuken, Mentor Graphics, Cadence Design Systems/Flowcad, Siemens. If your company would be interested in sponsoring this event, please contact or Ralf Bruening under . Benefits to sponsors include formal recognition at the meeting and mention in the Calls for Papers and meeting minutes. Your financial support strengthens the organization by allowing IBIS to focus resources on industry activities rather than raising money, and you will receive generous thanks for your support. DATE 2006 Conference: March 06-10, 2006. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day after the DATE 2005 exhibition ends. Location: ICM International Congress Center, Munich, Germany DATE URL: http://www.date-conference.com Background: DATE (Design, Automation, and Test in Europe) is the only European event dedicated to electronic system design and test. Topics of current interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DATE. This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting. Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least two weeks prior to the meeting. Topics and presentations may include (list is open for further contributions): - Submitted Presentations on IBIS Topics (See below) - Information about the most recent IBIS Developments - Less formal Ad Hoc Presentations and Discussions - IBIS and Modelling Questions and Answers The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments are planned. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentation proposals. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, Febrary 24th, 2006): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some suggested subjects of interest are: - IBIS Model Development Experiences - Company IBIS Standards and Requirements - Generating and Validating IBIS Models - Future IBIS Requirements - Modelling of dedicated technology issues (i.e. connectors, very high speed interfaces) - EMC/EMI and Power Integrity IBIS Issues - Experiences using IBIS in the PCB Design process Format of Presentation: LCD or Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat PDF. Electronic presentations should be made available by February the 25th, 2005. Otherwise the presentor will be expected to provide 30 copies for distribution. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to both: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) AGENDA The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a luncheon (which will be provided). This will be developed as presentation proposals are received. LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. Looking forward to meeting you at DATe 2006 in Munich Ralf Bruening _____________________________________________ Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design/Partner & Solution Business Zuken EMC Technology Center Vattmannstr.3 33100 Paderborn Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 5251 150 600 (direct -621) Fax: ++49 (0) 5251 150 700 Cellular: +49 170 4228512 (alternative: +49 172 9070675) Email: ralf.bruening@zuken.de Web: www.zuken.com _____________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:16:37 +0100 From: Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Hi Arpad, many thanks for answer! I would say that IBIS specs are not 100% clear on that place, because for input buffers there should not be any connection required, because it has only power and ground clamps. Perhaps for next IBIS version in specs could be written one example for input buffer so questions like this my could be avoided. Many thanks, Radovan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:37 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Radovan, The IBIS specification says that you should use NC. | Each line must contain either three, five or six entries. | Use the reserved word NC where an entry is required but a bus | connection is not made (see below). NC for the pulldown and pullup references doesn't mean that the buffer model has them, you just are not connecting them. It means that you are not making a connection to those rails for whatever reason, which in your case is that they don't exist for your input model. Arpad =============================================== - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:42 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] [Pin Mapping] for input models Hi IBIS experts, I have a question considering using [Pin Mapping] for input models. Question would be: how many entries should be for input buffer in for [Pin Mapping] keyword? Specification says: "Each line must contain either three, five or six entries." (Btw., in specification there is no example for input buffer) Format of command is: [Pin Mapping] pulldown_ref pullup_ref gnd_clamp_ref power_clamp_ref ext_ref So if I write for example: A1 GND VCC There are only 3 entries, but according to format specification second and third entry are used for pulldown reference and pullup reference respective, what is a nonsense in this case, because input buffers have only power and ground clamps and no pull-up and pull down references. If I write something like: A1 NC NC GND VCC This according to my opinion makes more sense, but still I have to use NC for pull-up and pull down references. What I was able to find as an example on Internet had always 5 entries, like: A1 GND VCC GND VCC For me this is senseless, because, as said before, one input buffer has only power and ground clamps. So, can somebody write me what is a proper format for input buffer in [Pin Mapping] ? 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We have a large number of people signed up, but have room for a few more attendees. Bob http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/agenda.pdf - ------------------------------------------------------------------ A S I A N I B I S S U M M I T I N F O R M A T I O N Time/Date: 8:00 - 17:30, Tuesday, December 6, 2005 Location: Crowne Plaza Hotel Shenzhen 9026 Shennan Rd, OCT Shenzhen, 518053 CHINA Tel: 86-755-26936888 Fax: 86-755-26936999 E-mail: cpsz@cpsz.com http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hd/SZXNS Room: Crowne Plaza Ballroom #2, First Floor Registration: FREE, send to both addresses below: Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group bob@teraspeed.com Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems lwang@cadence.com Sponsors: Huawei Technologies (Primary) Cadence Design Systems, Mentor Graphics Corporation, Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft) and Sigrity - ------------------------------------------------------------------ I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G A G E N D A 8:15 REFRESHMENTS & SIGN IN - Vendor Tables Open 9:00 Introductions and Program Overview - Welcome, Jiang, XiangZhong, (Huawei Technologies, China) - Welcome to Summit, Mirmak, Michael (Intel Corporation, USA) - Welcoming Comments, Invited Chinese Leader/Speaker (China) 9:30 IBIS and Behavioral Modeling Mirmak, Michael (Intel Corporation, USA) 9:45 Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology Experiences with IBIS Models Zheng, Qi (Fiberhome Telecommunications Technology, China) 10:15 BREAK (Refreshments) 10:30 Simulation with IBIS in Tight Timing Budget Systems Sui, ShiJu, (ZTE Corporation, China) 11:00 Three Facets of IBIS: Interface, Behavior and Measurement Dodd, Ian* and Li, Henry** (Mentor Graphics Corporation, *USA and **China) 11:30 JEITA EDA - WG Activity and Study of Interconnect Model Watanabe, Takeshi* and Ito, Atsuji**, (*NEC Electronics Corporation, Japan and **Panasonic, Japan) 12:00 FREE BUFFET LUNCH (Hosted by Sponsors) - Vendor Tables 12:00 - 12:45 Press Conference for IBIS Officers and Sponsors 13:30 IBIS and Power Delivery Systems Jiang, XiangZhong, Li, JinJun, and Zhang, ShengLi (Huawei Technologies, China) 14:00 Power Delivery System, Signal Return Path and SSO Analysis Guidelines Chen, Raymond Y. and Chitwood, Sam (Sigrity, USA) 14:30 Splitting the C_comp for Power Integrity Simulations Yang, Zhiping (Apple Computer, USA) 15:00 Using IBIS for SI Analysis Wang, Lance* and Zhong, ZhangMin** (Cadence Design Systems, *USA and **China) 15:30 BREAK (Refreshments) 15:45 Macro Model and Multi-GHz System Simulation Zhu, ShunLin (ZTE Corporation, China) 16:15 IBIS Models for DDR2 Analysis Katz, Barry (Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft), USA) 16:40 Practical Measurement vs. Simulation Correlation with DDR2 667 Interface Shoji, Kazuyoshi (Hitachi ULSI Systems Co., Japan) 17:05 Improving IBIS ECL Algorithms Ross, Bob (Teraspeed Consulting Group, USA) 17:20 Concluding Items 17:30 END OF IBIS SUMMIT MEETING - Final Vendor Tables and Teardown - ------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 401-284-1827 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@teraspeed.com Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:57:41 -0800 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] BIRD100.1: Allow Pure Analog *-AMS Models This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F79C.2E970A6F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The enclosed revised BIRD, Allow Pure Analog *-AMS Models, is distributed on behalf of Ian Dodd of Mentor Graphics Corp. and Arpad Muranyi of Intel Corp. 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Do we have any parser that is independent of cellname and library name length. Regards Akhilesh |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:46:14 -0800 From: "Tom Dagostino" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Do we have any parser that is independent of cellname and library name length Try reading the specification. You can find it at the IBIS home page. Tom Dagostino Teraspeed(R) Labs 13610 SW Harness Lane Beaverton, OR 97008 503-430-1065 tom@teraspeed.com www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of Akhilesh CHANDRA Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:15 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org Cc: Akhilesh CHANDRA Subject: [IBIS-Users] Do we have any parser that is independent of cellname and library name length Hello Friends, Can any one told me what is the max. cell name and library name that a golden parser can read without any error. Do we have any parser that is independent of cellname and library name length. 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