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ibis-users         Tuesday, December 20 2005         Volume 01 : Number 072




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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:09:30 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

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Doug,

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I am using 2005.03 version of hspice and V-T data.

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Thanks,

Venu

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From: Douglas Burns [mailto:dburns@sisoft.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:39 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); Todd Westerhoff (twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

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Venu,

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What version of HSPICE are you using for your simulations?

Are you using RAMP or VT data when running the IBIS model?

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Doug

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:49 AM
To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Todd,

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Thanks for your inputs.=20

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I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1
ohm resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF)
cases. Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.

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Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.

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Once again thanks for your response.

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Best Reagrds,

Venu

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

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Venu,

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How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?

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Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two
plots are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver
looks like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...

=20

Todd.


Todd Westerhoff
High Speed Design Group Manager
Cisco Systems
1414 Massachusetts Ave
Boxboro, MA 01719
email:twesterh@cisco.com
ph: 978-936-2149
____________________________________________
"Always do right.
 This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

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- - Mark Twain

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Hi Gurus,

I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace
the 5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page
waveform of attached PDF).=20

Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                    ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

Thanks & Best Regards,

Venu

<<ata4n1k_30pf.pdf>> <<ata4n1k_5pf.pdf>>=20


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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am using 2005.03 version of =
hspice and V-T
data.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Venu</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Douglas Burns
[mailto:dburns@sisoft.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
7:39 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What version of =
HSPICE
are you using for your simulations?</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Are you using =
RAMP or VT
data when running the IBIS model?</span></font></p>

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<div>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Doug</span></font=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of
</span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
7:49 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Todd,</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your =
inputs. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have verified =
the
programming options of driver and it&#8217;s fine. Here, I am attaching =
the
correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm resistor =
instead of
transmission line in both load (5pF &amp; 30pF) cases. Still, I am =
seeing a bad
correlation in 30pF case.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please ignore my
previously attached *.PDF.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Once again =
thanks for
your response.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best =
Reagrds,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Venu</span></font=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh)
[mailto:twesterh@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005 5:43
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Venu,</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How long
is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your
IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips to =
charge
the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a programmable =
driver, is
it possible the driver settings for the two plots are different?&nbsp; =
In the
top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks like a much weaker =
output
with a faster slew rate to me ...</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Todd.</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Todd Westerhoff<br>
High Speed Design Group Manager<br>
Cisco Systems<br>
1414 Massachusetts Ave<br>
Boxboro, MA 01719<br>
email:twesterh@cisco.com<br>
ph: 978-936-2149<br>
____________________________________________<br>
&quot;Always do right.<br>
&nbsp;This will gratify some people and astonish the =
rest.&quot;</span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>- Mark =
Twain</span></font></p>

<div>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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</div>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<div style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
1.0in'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
5:38 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] =
hspice vs
IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Hi =
Gurus,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is =
correlating well
with hspice model when I am using a 5pF</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>load followed by a =
transmission
line.</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If I replace the</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5pF load with</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>correlation</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>is bad
(particularly in 2<sup>nd</sup></span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>page waveform of attached =
PDF). </span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Could some one</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comment</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>on this, =
where it
is going wrong?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Your</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comments/inputs are highly
appreciated.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using 5pF =
load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></fon=
t>&nbsp;
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ata4nik_30pf.pdf</span></fon=
t>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_=
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:11:33 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

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Tom Dagostino,

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I am not using any package parasitics in both the simulations.

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Thanks,

Venu

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From: Tom Dagostino [mailto:tom@teraspeed.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:33 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); Todd Westerhoff (twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

=20

Are both simulations using the same package parasitics?

=20

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
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Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:49 AM
To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Todd,

=20

Thanks for your inputs.=20

=20

I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1
ohm resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF)
cases. Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.

=20

Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.

=20

Once again thanks for your response.

=20

Best Reagrds,

Venu

=20

=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

=20

Venu,

=20

How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?

=20

Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two
plots are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver
looks like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...

=20

Todd.


Todd Westerhoff
High Speed Design Group Manager
Cisco Systems
1414 Massachusetts Ave
Boxboro, MA 01719
email:twesterh@cisco.com
ph: 978-936-2149
____________________________________________
"Always do right.
 This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

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- - Mark Twain

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Hi Gurus,

I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace
the 5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page
waveform of attached PDF).=20

Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                    ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

Thanks & Best Regards,

Venu

<<ata4n1k_30pf.pdf>> <<ata4n1k_5pf.pdf>>=20


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both the simulations.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Tom Dagostino
[mailto:tom@teraspeed.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Are both =
simulations
using the same package parasitics?</span></font></p>

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<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
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Teraspeed(R) Labs<br>
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size=3D2><span
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>97008</span></font><font
size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br>
503-430-1065<br>
tom@teraspeed.com<br>
www.teraspeed.com<br>
<br>
Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>121 North =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
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[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of
</span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
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size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Todd,</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your =
inputs. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have verified =
the
programming options of driver and it&#8217;s fine. Here, I am attaching =
the
correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm resistor =
instead of
transmission line in both load (5pF &amp; 30pF) cases. Still, I am =
seeing a bad
correlation in 30pF case.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please ignore my
previously attached *.PDF.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Once again =
thanks for
your response.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best =
Reagrds,</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Venu</span></font=
></p>

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face=3DTahoma><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh)
[mailto:twesterh@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 December 13, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>5:43 PM</span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Venu,</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How long
is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your
IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips to =
charge
the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a programmable =
driver, is
it possible the driver settings for the two plots are different?&nbsp; =
In the
top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks like a much weaker =
output
with a faster slew rate to me ...</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Todd.</span></fon=
t></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Todd Westerhoff<br>
High Speed Design Group Manager<br>
Cisco Systems<br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
  Arial'>1414 Massachusetts Ave</span></font><font size=3D2 =
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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 December 13, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>5:38 AM</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] =
hspice vs
IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Hi =
Gurus,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is =
correlating well
with hspice model when I am using a 5pF</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>load followed by a =
transmission
line.</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If I replace the</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5pF load with</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>correlation</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>is bad
(particularly in 2<sup>nd</sup></span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>page waveform of attached =
PDF). </span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Could some one</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comment</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>on this, =
where it
is going wrong?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Your</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comments/inputs are highly
appreciated.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using 5pF =
load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></fon=
t>&nbsp;
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ata4nik_30pf.pdf</span></fon=
t>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks &amp; Best Regards,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Venu</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_=
30pf.pdf&gt;&gt;
&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_5pf.pdf&gt;&gt; </span></font></p>

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:16:10 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

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Weston,

=20

Thanks for your inputs about hspice simulator control options.=20

=20

I have used the option called 'delmax'. I could not see any improvement
in the correlation.

=20

Thanks & Regards,

Venu.

=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Beal, Weston
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:09 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

=20

Venu,

=20

From your first waveforms it appears that the timestep could be an
issue. It is less apparent from your second set of waveforms, though.
Unfortunately, you can't specify a fixed timestep in Hspice, that I know
of, but you can set a maximum timestep. I don't remember the option off
the top of my head, but I'm sure you can find it in the manual. Set this
to something small enough that both simulations are forced to use nearly
the same timestep and see if the correlation gets a little better.

=20

There are other issues that other experts here have already identified
that are worth looking in to.

=20

Regards,

Weston

=20

=20

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:49 AM
To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Todd,

=20

Thanks for your inputs.=20

=20

I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1
ohm resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF)
cases. Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.

=20

Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.

=20

Once again thanks for your response.

=20

Best Reagrds,

Venu

=20

=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

=20

Venu,

=20

How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?

=20

Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two
plots are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver
looks like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...

=20

Todd.


Todd Westerhoff
High Speed Design Group Manager
Cisco Systems
1414 Massachusetts Ave
Boxboro, MA 01719
email:twesterh@cisco.com
ph: 978-936-2149
____________________________________________
"Always do right.
 This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

=20

- - Mark Twain

=20

=20

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Hi Gurus,

I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace
the 5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page
waveform of attached PDF).=20

Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                    ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

Thanks & Best Regards,

Venu

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your inputs about hspice =
simulator
control options. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have used the option called =
&#8216;delmax&#8217;.
I could not see any improvement in the correlation.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Regards,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Of </span></b>Beal, Weston<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday,
 December 14, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
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size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Venu,</span></fon=
t></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>From your first =
waveforms
it appears that the timestep could be an issue. It is less apparent from =
your
second set of waveforms, though. Unfortunately, you can't specify a =
fixed
timestep in Hspice, that I know of, but you can set a maximum timestep. =
I don't
remember the option off the top of my head, but I'm sure you can find it =
in the
manual. Set this to something small enough that both simulations
are&nbsp;forced to use nearly&nbsp;the same timestep and see if the =
correlation
gets a little better.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>There are other =
issues
that other experts here have already identified that are worth looking =
in to.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
4:49 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Todd,</span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for your =
inputs. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have verified =
the
programming options of driver and it&#8217;s fine. Here, I am attaching =
the
correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm resistor =
instead of
transmission line in both load (5pF &amp; 30pF) cases. Still, I am =
seeing a bad
correlation in 30pF case.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please ignore my
previously attached *.PDF.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Once again =
thanks for
your response.</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
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Reagrds,</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Venu</span></font=
></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh)
[mailto:twesterh@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
5:43 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Venu,</span></fon=
t></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How long
is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your
IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips to =
charge
the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a programmable =
driver, is
it possible the driver settings for the two plots are different?&nbsp; =
In the
top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks like a much weaker =
output
with a faster slew rate to me ...</span></font></p>

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t></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Todd Westerhoff<br>
High Speed Design Group Manager<br>
Cisco Systems<br>
1414 Massachusetts Ave<br>
Boxboro, MA 01719<br>
email:twesterh@cisco.com<br>
ph: 978-936-2149<br>
____________________________________________<br>
&quot;Always do right.<br>
&nbsp;This will gratify some people and astonish the =
rest.&quot;</span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December =
13, 2005
5:38 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] =
hspice vs
IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Hi =
Gurus,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is =
correlating well
with hspice model when I am using a 5pF</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>load followed by a =
transmission line.</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If I
replace the</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>5pF load with</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>correlation</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>is bad
(particularly in 2<sup>nd</sup></span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>page waveform of attached =
PDF). </span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Could some one</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comment</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>on this, =
where it
is going wrong?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Your</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comments/inputs are highly
appreciated.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using 5pF =
load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></fon=
t>&nbsp;
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ata4nik_30pf.pdf</span></fon=
t>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks &amp; Best Regards,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Venu</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_=
30pf.pdf&gt;&gt;
&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_5pf.pdf&gt;&gt; </span></font></p>

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:26:04 -0800
From: "Tom Dagostino" <tom@teraspeed.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

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hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loadsThe likely
problem with this model is the 1000 Ohm R_fixture used in the VT tables.

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
121 North River Drive
Narragansett, RI 02882
401-284-1827

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org]On Behalf Of
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:07 AM
  To: Itzik Peleg; Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org
  Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads


Itzik Peleg, Thanks for your concern. I think there is no such feedback.
Here, I am attaching the IBIS model. Thanks & Regards,Venu



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Itzik Peleg [mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:50 PM
  To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); Todd Westerhoff (twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads



  Hello Venu



  Just to add one more possibility doe's your buffer has a feedback?

  Could you attached the IBIS model, or show the I(V) and V(t) curves?



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  From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:49 PM
  To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads



  Todd,



  Thanks for your inputs.



  I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm
resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF) cases.
Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.



  Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.



  Once again thanks for your response.



  Best Reagrds,

  Venu





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
  To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads



  Venu,



  How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?



  Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two plots
are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks
like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...



  Todd.


  Todd Westerhoff
  High Speed Design Group Manager
  Cisco Systems
  1414 Massachusetts Ave
  Boxboro, MA 01719
  email:twesterh@cisco.com
  ph: 978-936-2149
  ____________________________________________
  "Always do right.
   This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."



  - Mark Twain






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  From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
  Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
  To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
  Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

  Hi Gurus,

  I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace the
5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page waveform of
attached PDF).

  Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

  Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

  Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                      ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

  Thanks & Best Regards,

  Venu

  <<ata4n1k_30pf.pdf>> <<ata4n1k_5pf.pdf>>

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  <DIV class=3DSection1><PRE style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
10pt; COLOR: navy">Thanks for your concern. I think there is no such =
feedback.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Here, I am attaching the IBIS =
model.</SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Courier New" color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Thanks &amp; =
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  Peleg [mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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  14, 2005</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu); Todd=20
  Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [IBIS] RE: =
[IBIS-Users]=20
  hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive=20
  loads</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
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Arial">Hello=20
  Venu</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Just to=20
  add one more possibility doe&#8217;s your buffer has a =
feedback?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Could=20
  you attached the IBIS model, or show the I(V) and V(t)=20
  curves?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] <B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ummalaneni, Venu =
Babu=20
  (Venu)<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>=20
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Tuesday, December 13,=20
  2005</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:49=20
  PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); =

  ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [IBIS] RE: =
[IBIS-Users] hspice=20
  vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive=20
loads</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Todd,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks=20
  for your inputs. </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I have=20
  verified the programming options of driver and it&#8217;s fine. Here, =
I am attaching=20
  the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 ohm =
resistor=20
  instead of transmission line in both load (5pF &amp; 30pF) cases. =
Still, I am=20
  seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Please=20
  ignore my previously attached *.PDF.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Once=20
  again thanks for your response.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Best=20
  Reagrds,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Venu</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
Todd=20
  Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Tuesday, =
December=20
  13, 2005</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">5:43=20
  PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);=20
  ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice vs IBIS=20
  model correlation at different capacitive loads</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Venu,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">How long=20
  is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Your=20
  IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips to =
charge=20
  the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a programmable =
driver,=20
  is it possible the driver settings for the two plots are =
different?&nbsp; In=20
  the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks like a much =
weaker=20
  output with a faster slew rate to me ...</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dblue=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Todd.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Todd =
Westerhoff<BR>High Speed=20
  Design Group Manager<BR>Cisco Systems<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1414 =
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  Ave</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Boxboro</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:15:19 -0800
From: "Fred  Balistreri" <fred@apsimtech.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] First Announcement for Design Con IBIS Summit 2006

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To All:

This is the first Announcement for the DesignCon 2006 IBIS Summit
Meeting held in Santa Clara, California.

Note, because of the interest in Monday tutorial sessions, we have
moved the IBIS Meeting to Thursday on the last 1/2 day of DesignCon.

We are seeking Sponsors for the IBIS meeting to cover the expenses
for a Free lunch and refreshments.

Also note that discounts are offered for all conference packages
through January 13, 2006, and also February 6, 2006 for free
exhibit registration.

Best Regards,
Fred:

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                              IBIS SUMMIT
                             FIRST CALL FOR
                     PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS
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              I B I S   S U M M I T   M E E T I N G

Time/Date:  Thursday, February 9, 2006 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM
            (MOVED FROM MONDAY)

Location:   Santa Clara Convention Center
            Santa Clara, CA

Content:    Presentations and Discussions

Purpose:    Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and
            Ideas.

Sponsors:   Applied Simulation Technology, Cisco Systems, International
            Engineering Cornsortium (DesignCon)

            We are seeking more co-sponsors.  Please contact Bob Ross
            <bob@teraspeed.com>.  The Benefits to sponsors include
            recognition at the meeting and acknowledgement in the Calls
            for Papers and meeting minutes.

            Your financial support strengthens the organization by
            allowing IBIS to focus resources on industry activities
            rather than raising money, and you will receive generous
            thanks for your support.

DesignCon 2006 Conference:

            February 6 - February 9, 2006
            Santa Clara Convention Center
            Santa Clara, CA

            Exhibit registration is Free if you register before
            February 6, 2006, and conference discounts before.
           =20
              http://www.designcon.com/2006/
              http://www.designcon.com/2006/registration/
    =20
     Conference Catalog:

       http://www.designcon.com/2006/pdf/dc06_catalog.pdf

IBIS Booth: Come visit the IBIS Booth to meet attendees and pick up
            IBIS information.


BACKGROUND

DesignCon is the premier annual Silicon Valley event for the electronic
design automation (EDA) and semiconductor industry.  Topics of current
interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DesignCon.

This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting.
Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an electronic
format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Any pending formal
decisions (votes) will be announced at least two weeks prior to the
meeting.


CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and
digital circuit design are invited to participate in the Summit meeting.
If you plan to participate, please register with the information below:

       Name:
       E-mail address:
       Company:
       Telephone:

Send to:
=20
       Fred Balistreri  <fred@apsimtech.com>

Registration deadline is Wednesday, February 1, 2003 to receive the
free lunch.
=20

CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS

We are seeking presentations from individuals who have experiences
of interest to the IBIS modeling community.  In the past, these have
included, but not limited to:

       Demonstrations of modeling techniques=20
       Explanations of behavioral algorithms
       Descriptions of difficulties encountered
       Model correlation
       Modeling building experiences
       Comparisons to other modeling methods
       New techologies for modeling buffers and component
       New technologies for modeling packaging and interconnect
       etc.

Presentations may be addressed to any and all levels of IBIS experience,
from beginning to advanced.

Presentation Format:
 =20
      A conference laptop with LCD projection.  Power Point or Acrobat
      electronic formats are favored and will pre-loaded on the
      Windows-basede meeting laptop prior to the meeting.

Time: Usually 15-30 Minutes

Electronic Archival:

      Presentations will be archived under the IBIS Summits site
      and also must be submitted in time for uploading and copying.
      Final submission deadline is:
 =20
         Wednesday, February 1, 2006

      Otherwise, you should bring 50 copies.

If you plan a presentation, please supply the following information
as soon as possible:

      Tentative Title:
      Presenter:
      E-mail address:
      Company:
      Telephone:

      Estimated Time:
 =20
Send to:

      Bob Ross <bob@teraspeed.com>

AGENDA

The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a FREE
lunch.  The agenda details will be developed as proposals are
received.


LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS

The Hotel and Travel Link provides a conference hotel discount, and
use internet search engines other good lodging deals:

     http://www.designcon.com/2006/conference/hotel_and_travel.html

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To All:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is the first Announcement for the =
DesignCon=20
2006 IBIS Summit<BR>Meeting held in Santa Clara, =
California.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note, because of the interest in Monday =
tutorial=20
sessions, we have<BR>moved the IBIS Meeting to Thursday on the last 1/2 =
day of=20
DesignCon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We are seeking Sponsors for the IBIS =
meeting to=20
cover the expenses<BR>for a Free lunch and refreshments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also note that discounts are offered =
for all=20
conference packages<BR>through January 13, 2006, and also February 6, =
2006 for=20
free<BR>exhibit registration.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fred:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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I B I S&nbsp;&nbsp; S U M M I T&nbsp;&nbsp; M E E T I N G</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Time/Date:&nbsp; Thursday, February 9, 2006 8:00 AM to 5:00=20
PM<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(MOVED=20
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<DIV>Location:&nbsp;&nbsp; Santa Clara Convention=20
Center<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
Santa Clara, CA</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Content:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Presentations and Discussions</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Purpose:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related=20
Information=20
and<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
=20
Ideas.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sponsors:&nbsp;&nbsp; Applied Simulation Technology, Cisco Systems, =

International<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
Engineering Cornsortium (DesignCon)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
We are=20
seeking more co-sponsors.&nbsp; Please contact Bob=20
Ross<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;=20
&lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:bob@teraspeed.com">bob@teraspeed.com</A>&gt;.&nbsp; The=20
Benefits to sponsors=20
include<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
recognition at the meeting and acknowledgement in the=20
Calls<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; for=20
Papers and meeting minutes.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Your=20
financial support strengthens the organization=20
by<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

allowing IBIS to focus resources on industry=20
activities<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
rather than raising money, and you will receive=20
generous<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;=20
thanks for your support.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>DesignCon 2006 Conference:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
February=20
6 - February 9,=20
2006<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Santa=20
Clara Convention=20
Center<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
Santa Clara, CA</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Exhibit=20
registration is Free if you register=20
before<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
February 6, 2006, and conference discounts=20
before.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.designcon.com/2006/">http://www.designcon.com/2006/</A=
><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.designcon.com/2006/registration/">http://www.designcon=
.com/2006/registration/</A><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Conference Catalog:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.designcon.com/2006/pdf/dc06_catalog.pdf">http://www.de=
signcon.com/2006/pdf/dc06_catalog.pdf</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>IBIS Booth: Come visit the IBIS Booth to meet attendees and pick=20
up<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
IBIS=20
information.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>BACKGROUND</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>DesignCon is the premier annual Silicon Valley event for the=20
electronic<BR>design automation (EDA) and semiconductor industry.&nbsp; =
Topics=20
of current<BR>interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at=20
DesignCon.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit=20
Meeting.<BR>Presentations are expected to be available and archived in =
an=20
electronic<BR>format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Any =
pending=20
formal<BR>decisions (votes) will be announced at least two weeks prior =
to=20
the<BR>meeting.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development,=20
and<BR>digital circuit design are invited to participate in the Summit=20
meeting.<BR>If you plan to participate, please register with the =
information=20
below:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Name:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E-mail=20
address:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Company:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Telephone:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Send to:<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fred=20
Balistreri&nbsp; &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:fred@apsimtech.com">fred@apsimtech.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Registration deadline is Wednesday, February 1, 2003 to receive =
the<BR>free=20
lunch.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>We are seeking presentations from individuals who have =
experiences<BR>of=20
interest to the IBIS modeling community.&nbsp; In the past, these=20
have<BR>included, but not limited to:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Demonstrations of modeling =
techniques=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Explanations of behavioral=20
algorithms<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Descriptions of =
difficulties=20
encountered<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Model=20
correlation<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Modeling building=20
experiences<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Comparisons to other =

modeling methods<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; New techologies =
for=20
modeling buffers and component<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
New=20
technologies for modeling packaging and=20
interconnect<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; etc.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Presentations may be addressed to any and all levels of IBIS=20
experience,<BR>from beginning to advanced.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:55:19 -0800
From: "Muranyi, Arpad" <arpad.muranyi@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: [IBIS] split c-comp calculation

Nirav,

Whether you do it in the time domain or frequency domain,
the measurement is still based on current readings, which
means that you change the location of where you measure
the current the same way in the time domain as you do it
in the frequency domain if you want to get split-C_comp.

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:57 AM
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Subject: [IBIS] split c-comp calculation

Hi,

We have read the approach given in cookbook for finding split c-comp
values (c-comp[pullup] and c-comp[pulldown]) using frequency domain
approach. 

I am looking for the approach by which we can get the split c-comp
values using time domain approach. Please suggest or point us how to do
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:54:28 -0800
From: "Abril, Giovanni \(Space Technology\)" <giovanni.abril@ngc.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Hello IBIS experts,

I'm creating a model from HSPICE using S2IBIS2 vers. 2.1 and have a question.

If my buffer is 3.3V i/o, but is 5V tolerant, and am using:

Voltage Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Pulldown Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pullup Ref: 0 0 0
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

I was thinking this should vary my voltages from -5V to 10V for the clamps, but it does not.  It instead varies from -Vcc to 2Vcc as usual. 

Is this how I should be setting this up?  

Thanks,
Gio 

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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:53:10 -0800
From: "Tom Dagostino" <tom@teraspeed.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

I'd change it to:

Voltage Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pulldown Ref: 0 0 0
Pullup Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

Tom Dagostino
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Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
Behalf Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:54 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


Hello IBIS experts,

I'm creating a model from HSPICE using S2IBIS2 vers. 2.1 and have a
question.

If my buffer is 3.3V i/o, but is 5V tolerant, and am using:

Voltage Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Pulldown Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pullup Ref: 0 0 0
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

I was thinking this should vary my voltages from -5V to 10V for the clamps,
but it does not.  It instead varies from -Vcc to 2Vcc as usual.

Is this how I should be setting this up?

Thanks,
Gio

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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:52:36 -0800
From: "Abril, Giovanni \(Space Technology\)" <giovanni.abril@ngc.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Thanks for your response Tom.

The part has a 2.5V core and 3.3V i/o voltage.  Changing the voltage reference, would mean my 3.3V rail gets set to 5V.  Is that how it should be done?  Also, I think s2ibis ignores my rising/falling waveform fixture values (of 3.3, 3.0, 3.6) and sets them to 5.0, 4.5, and 5.5V.

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From: Tom Dagostino [mailto:tom@teraspeed.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:53 PM
To: Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology); ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


I'd change it to:

Voltage Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pulldown Ref: 0 0 0
Pullup Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
121 North River Drive
Narragansett, RI 02882
401-284-1827

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Behalf Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:54 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


Hello IBIS experts,

I'm creating a model from HSPICE using S2IBIS2 vers. 2.1 and have a
question.

If my buffer is 3.3V i/o, but is 5V tolerant, and am using:

Voltage Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Pulldown Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pullup Ref: 0 0 0
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

I was thinking this should vary my voltages from -5V to 10V for the clamps,
but it does not.  It instead varies from -Vcc to 2Vcc as usual.

Is this how I should be setting this up?

Thanks,
Gio

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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:16:54 -0800
From: "Lynne D. Green" <lgreen22@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Hello Abril,

Please consider using s2ibis3, since s2ibis3 fixed many of the algorithm and
coding problems in s2ibis2.

If your core voltage has corners, you will need to determine the best and
worst simulation corners (combinations of Vcc and Vcore).

In s2ibis2 and s2ibis3, you must manually edit the spice files.
* run s2ibis2/s2ibis3 to create the SPICE files, setting voltage range for
- -Vcc to 2*Vtolerant (this sets the range of simulation and model tables)
* connect normal core voltage to the I/O buffer (2.5V) for every file
* connect normal Vcc to the I/O buffer (3.3V) for every file
* run the SPICE simulations
* run the extraction half of s2ibis2/s2ibis3.
The s2ibis2/s2ibis3 documentation describes how to finish running
s2ibis2/s2ibis3 after editing the SPICE files.

If you are planning to do this more than once, you might consider writing a
script.  If you are really lucky, someone will share a script they have
written.

Best regards,
Lynne


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Dr. Lynne Green
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:53 AM
To: tom@teraspeed.com; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Thanks for your response Tom.

The part has a 2.5V core and 3.3V i/o voltage.  Changing the voltage
reference, would mean my 3.3V rail gets set to 5V.  Is that how it should be
done?  Also, I think s2ibis ignores my rising/falling waveform fixture
values (of 3.3, 3.0, 3.6) and sets them to 5.0, 4.5, and 5.5V.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Dagostino [mailto:tom@teraspeed.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:53 PM
To: Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology); ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


I'd change it to:

Voltage Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pulldown Ref: 0 0 0
Pullup Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
121 North River Drive
Narragansett, RI 02882
401-284-1827

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
Behalf Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:54 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


Hello IBIS experts,

I'm creating a model from HSPICE using S2IBIS2 vers. 2.1 and have a
question.

If my buffer is 3.3V i/o, but is 5V tolerant, and am using:

Voltage Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Pulldown Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pullup Ref: 0 0 0
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

I was thinking this should vary my voltages from -5V to 10V for the clamps,
but it does not.  It instead varies from -Vcc to 2Vcc as usual.

Is this how I should be setting this up?

Thanks,
Gio

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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:32:31 -0800
From: "Lynne D. Green" <lgreen22@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Hi, Abril,

For simulation, and for IBIS tables, it is OK to have the range beyond Vcc.
Personally, I would probably set up s2ibis3 to simulate 
from -Vtolerant to +2*Vtolerant.

The important thing is to make sure [Voltage Range] is 3.3V in your IBIS
model, since that sets the voltage for output driver waveforms.  One way
would be to script/edit the final IBIS model to set [Voltage Range] after
extraction. 

Best regards,
Lynne

- -----Original Message-----
From: Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology) [mailto:giovanni.abril@ngc.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:01 AM
To: Lynne D. Green; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Thanks Lynne.

I have a perl script I use to vary the process and core voltage (2.5V); then
I use the iterate command to finish up the model.

How do I set the voltage range from -Vcc to 2*Vtolerant (-3.3 to 10)?

I think I can set the voltage range as Tom suggested, making my sweeps from
- -5V to 10V, and then use a script to edit the 3.3V I/O supply voltage to
3.3, 3.0 or 3.6.  Is this the way to do it?  Or is there another command I
can use to set the voltage range as you describe?

Thanks again,
Giovanni

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lynne D. Green [mailto:lgreen22@mindspring.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:17 PM
To: Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology); ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


Hello Abril,

Please consider using s2ibis3, since s2ibis3 fixed many of the algorithm and
coding problems in s2ibis2.

If your core voltage has corners, you will need to determine the best and
worst simulation corners (combinations of Vcc and Vcore).

In s2ibis2 and s2ibis3, you must manually edit the spice files.
* run s2ibis2/s2ibis3 to create the SPICE files, setting voltage range for
- -Vcc to 2*Vtolerant (this sets the range of simulation and model tables)
* connect normal core voltage to the I/O buffer (2.5V) for every file
* connect normal Vcc to the I/O buffer (3.3V) for every file
* run the SPICE simulations
* run the extraction half of s2ibis2/s2ibis3.
The s2ibis2/s2ibis3 documentation describes how to finish running
s2ibis2/s2ibis3 after editing the SPICE files.

If you are planning to do this more than once, you might consider writing a
script.  If you are really lucky, someone will share a script they have
written.

Best regards,
Lynne


"IBIS training when you need it, where you need it."

Dr. Lynne Green
Green Streak Programs
http://www.greenstreakprograms.com
425-788-0412
lgreen22@mindspring.com

 

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:53 AM
To: tom@teraspeed.com; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant

Thanks for your response Tom.

The part has a 2.5V core and 3.3V i/o voltage.  Changing the voltage
reference, would mean my 3.3V rail gets set to 5V.  Is that how it should be
done?  Also, I think s2ibis ignores my rising/falling waveform fixture
values (of 3.3, 3.0, 3.6) and sets them to 5.0, 4.5, and 5.5V.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Dagostino [mailto:tom@teraspeed.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:53 PM
To: Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology); ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


I'd change it to:

Voltage Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pulldown Ref: 0 0 0
Pullup Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness Lane
Beaverton, OR 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
121 North River Drive
Narragansett, RI 02882
401-284-1827

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On
Behalf Of Abril, Giovanni (Space Technology)
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:54 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] 3.3V I/O, 5V tolerant


Hello IBIS experts,

I'm creating a model from HSPICE using S2IBIS2 vers. 2.1 and have a
question.

If my buffer is 3.3V i/o, but is 5V tolerant, and am using:

Voltage Ref: 3.3 3.0 3.6
Pulldown Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
Pullup Ref: 0 0 0
Power Clamp Ref: 5.0 4.5 5.5
GND Clamp Ref: 0 0 0

I was thinking this should vary my voltages from -5V to 10V for the clamps,
but it does not.  It instead varies from -Vcc to 2Vcc as usual.

Is this how I should be setting this up?

Thanks,
Gio

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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:32:49 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads

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Itzik Peleg and all,
=20
Thank you very much for your help. Please see my answers in line with
your comments.
=20
1. This buffer operation is intended for a load resistance of more than
5k ohm.=20
2. Yes, you are right. I should allow more transient simulation time for
min corner.
However, reported behavior (correlation of hspice vs IBIS) is for typ
corner.
=20
Even I have tried with 50, 100, 500 & 5k ohm terminations for capturing
V-t waveforms. But I could not see any improvement in the correlation. I
am still investigating this issue.
=20
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                 Thanks & Best Regards,
Venu

=20

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From: Itzik Peleg [mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:09 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads

=20

Hello Venu

=20

Here are my comments reviewing your model:

=20

1.       The loading condition is 1k ohm !? isn't this buffer should be
used in 50 ohm environment? If the answer is yes then you should use 50
ohm.=20

2.       It seems like the slow didn't finish the complete transition.
You should allow more time for the V(t) simulation in order that the
response get to steady state (like the maximum case in red). This also
causing the warning that you have when using IBIS check:

**************************************************************

      WARNING - Model ATA4N1K000: The [Rising Waveform]=20

      with [R_fixture]=3D1000 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=3D0V

      has MIN column DC endpoints of  0.00V and  2.78v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages (-0.00V and  2.92V),

      a difference of  0.00% and  4.69%, respectively.

WARNING - Model ATA4N1K000: The [Falling Waveform]=20

      with [R_fixture]=3D1000 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=3D3V

      has MIN column DC endpoints of  0.21V and  3.00v, but

      an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages ( 0.05V and  3.00V),

      a difference of  5.54% and  0.00%, respectively.

      ****************************************************************

3.       Based on the 2 previous points I can think of a buffer for slow
interface that should be used in 50 ohm environment. If this is the case
you should allow the transient simulation more time on 50 ohm.  =20



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Hope this will halp.

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From: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu) [mailto:venubabu@agere.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:07 PM
To: Itzik Peleg; Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads

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Itzik Peleg,
=20
Thanks for your concern. I think there is no such feedback.
=20
Here, I am attaching the IBIS model.
=20
Thanks & Regards,
Venu

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From: Itzik Peleg [mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:50 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); Todd Westerhoff (twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads

=20

Hello Venu

=20

Just to add one more possibility doe's your buffer has a feedback?

Could you attached the IBIS model, or show the I(V) and V(t) curves?

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From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at
different capacitive loads

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Todd,

=20

Thanks for your inputs.=20

=20

I have verified the programming options of driver and it's fine. Here, I
am attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1
ohm resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF & 30pF)
cases. Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.

=20

Please ignore my previously attached *.PDF.

=20

Once again thanks for your response.

=20

Best Reagrds,

Venu

=20

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) [mailto:twesterh@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:43 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

=20

Venu,

=20

How long is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?

=20

Your IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips
to charge the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a
programmable driver, is it possible the driver settings for the two
plots are different?  In the top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver
looks like a much weaker output with a faster slew rate to me ...

=20

Todd.


Todd Westerhoff
High Speed Design Group Manager
Cisco Systems
1414 Massachusetts Ave
Boxboro, MA 01719
email:twesterh@cisco.com
ph: 978-936-2149
____________________________________________
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 This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."

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- - Mark Twain

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 5:38 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different
capacitive loads

Hi Gurus,

I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is correlating well with hspice model
when I am using a 5pF load followed by a transmission line. If I replace
the 5pF load with 30pF correlation is bad (particularly in 2nd page
waveform of attached PDF).=20

Could some one comment on this, where it is going wrong?

Your comments/inputs are highly appreciated.

Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms captured
using 5pF load

                    ata4nik_30pf.pdf - hspice and IBIS model waveforms
captured using 30pF load

Thanks & Best Regards,

Venu

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Roman"'> </span></font></span></font><font
color=3D"#333399" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>This buffer operation is =
intended for a load resistance of more than 5k ohm. =
</span></font></pre><pre
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color=3D"#333399"
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Roman"'> </span></font></span></font><font
color=3D"#333399" face=3DArial><span =
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allow more transient simulation time for min =
corner.</span></font></pre><pre
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>However, =
reported behavior (correlation of hspice vs IBIS) is for typ =
corner.</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 color=3D"#333399" =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>&nbsp;</span><=
/font></pre><pre
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333399'>Even I have =
tried with 50, 100, 500 &amp; 5k ohm terminations for capturing V-t =
waveforms. But I could not see any improvement in the correlation. I am =
still investigating this issue.</span></font></pre><pre
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks &amp; Best =
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[mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS] RE:
[IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

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comments
reviewing your model:</span></font></p>

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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The loading =
condition is
1k ohm !? isn&#8217;t this buffer should be used in 50 ohm environment? =
If the
answer is yes then you should use 50 ohm. </span></font></p>

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color:navy'>2.<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It seems like =
the slow
didn&#8217;t finish the complete transition. You should allow more time =
for the
V(t) simulation in order that the response get to steady state (like the
maximum case in red). This also causing the warning that you have when =
using
IBIS check:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>*****************=
*********************************************</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
WARNING - Model ATA4N1K000: The [Rising Waveform] </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
with [R_fixture]=3D1000 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=3D0V</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
has MIN column DC endpoints of&nbsp; 0.00V and&nbsp; 2.78v, =
but</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables =
yields</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
different voltages (-0.00V and&nbsp; 2.92V),</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
a difference of&nbsp; 0.00% and&nbsp; 4.69%, =
respectively.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WARNING
- - Model ATA4N1K000: The [Falling Waveform] </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
with [R_fixture]=3D1000 Ohms and [V_fixture_min]=3D3V</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
has MIN column DC endpoints of&nbsp; 0.21V and&nbsp; 3.00v, =
but</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables =
yields</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
different voltages ( 0.05V and&nbsp; 3.00V),</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
a difference of&nbsp; 5.54% and&nbsp; 0.00%, =
respectively.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.75in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
****************************************************************</span></=
font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>3.<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Based on the 2 =
previous
points I can think of a buffer for slow interface that should be used in =
50 ohm
environment. If this is the case you should allow the transient =
simulation more
time on 50 ohm. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><img width=3D556
height=3D467 =
src=3D"cid:image001.jpg@01C6058B.6565C800"></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope this will =
halp.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

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<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu) [mailto:venubabu@agere.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday,
 December 15, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>1:07 PM</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Itzik Peleg; Todd =
Westerhoff
(twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS] RE:
[IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<pre style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Itzik =
Peleg,</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Thanks for your concern. I think =
there is no such feedback.</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Here, I am attaching the IBIS =
model.</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Thanks &amp; =
Regards,</span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Venu</span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Itzik Peleg
[mailto:itzikpe@marvell.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday,
 December 14, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>12:50 =
PM</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
Todd Westerhoff (twesterh); ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS] RE:
[IBIS-Users] hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hello
Venu</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just to
add one more possibility doe&#8217;s your buffer has a =
feedback?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Could
you attached the IBIS model, or show the I(V) and V(t) =
curves?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=
nt></p>

<div><pre style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 December 13, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>2:49 PM</span></font><font
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS] RE: =
[IBIS-Users]
hspice vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
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t></p>

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color=3Dnavy
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nt></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks
for your inputs. </span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have
verified the programming options of driver and it&#8217;s fine. Here, I =
am
attaching the correlation waveforms of the simulations by using a 0.1 =
ohm
resistor instead of transmission line in both load (5pF &amp; 30pF) =
cases.
Still, I am seeing a bad correlation in 30pF case.</span></font></p>

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ignore my previously attached *.PDF.</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
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again thanks for your response.</span></font></p>

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Reagrds,</span></font></p>

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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Todd Westerhoff =
(twesterh)
[mailto:twesterh@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 December 13, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>5:43 PM</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ummalaneni, Venu Babu =
(Venu);
ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
hspice
vs IBIS model correlation at different capacitive =
loads</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Venu,</span></fon=
t></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>How long
is the transmission line you're using ... about 1ns?</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Your
IBIS driver in the 30pf case seems to be taking several round-trips to =
charge
the load where the HSpice driver doesn't - if this is a programmable =
driver, is
it possible the driver settings for the two plots are different?&nbsp; =
In the
top plot for the 30pf case, the IBIS driver looks like a much weaker =
output
with a faster slew rate to me ...</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3DArial><span =
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t></p>

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Todd Westerhoff<br>
High Speed Design Group Manager<br>
Cisco Systems<br>
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ph: 978-936-2149<br>
____________________________________________<br>
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Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> owner-ibis-users@eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf
Of </span></b>Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Tuesday,
 December 13, 2005</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font
 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>5:38 AM</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ibis-users@eda.org;
ibis@eda.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] =
hspice vs
IBIS model correlation at different capacitive loads</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Hi =
Gurus,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I have an ATA* IBIS model and it is =
correlating well
with hspice model when I am using a 5pF</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>load followed by a =
transmission
line.</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If I replace the</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5pF load with</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>correlation</span></font>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>is bad
(particularly in 2<sup>nd</sup></span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>page waveform of attached =
PDF). </span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Could some one</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comment</span></font> <font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>on this, =
where it
is going wrong?</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Your</span></font> <font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>comments/inputs are highly
appreciated.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Attachments: ata4nik_5pf.pdf</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using 5pF =
load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></fon=
t>&nbsp;
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>ata4nik_30pf.pdf</span></fon=
t>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&#8211;
hspice</span></font> <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and IBIS model waveforms captured using</span></font> =
<font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>30pF load</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks &amp; Best Regards,</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Venu</span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_=
30pf.pdf&gt;&gt;
&lt;&lt;ata4n1k_5pf.pdf&gt;&gt; </span></font></p>

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