From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org (ibis-users) To: ibis-users-digest@eda.org Subject: ibis-users V1 #80 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Errors-To: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Precedence: bulk ibis-users Monday, March 20 2006 Volume 01 : Number 080 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:32:50 +0530 From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Arpad and Lynne, Yes, I am looking for the former pointers only. However, later pointers are also useful for me. I need former pointers because I want to have a look at the piece-wise stitching of multi-lingual models in IBIS. Thank you very much your response. Best Regards, Venu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:10 PM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Venu, The files Lynne is referring to may not be what you are looking for. Do you want to see a .IBS file which points to some *-AMS files using the [External Model] or [External Circuit] keywords, or are you looking for the *-AMS models themselves? I have been working mostly on the latter, because the former is really not that big of a deal to write. So the presentations and files you will find from me on that web site are mostly the *-AMS models. Arpad ================================================================= - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Lynne D. Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:30 AM To: 'Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)'; 'ibis-users'; 'ibis' Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Hello, Venu, One could look at some of the recent IBIS Summit papers by Arpad Muranyi. http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/index-byauthor.htm Best regards, Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu) Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:50 AM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Hi All, Could some one give me pointers where can I get some example v4.1 multi-lingual IBIS models? Thanks for your help. Best Regards, Venu - ----------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:42:40 -0800 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Venu, I would suggest that you look at the examples under the keywords [External Model] and [External Circuit] in the IBIS specification. There is really not all that much to using these keywords... Arpad ===================================================== - -----Original Message----- From: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu) [mailto:venubabu@agere.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:03 AM To: Muranyi, Arpad; ibis-users; ibis Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Arpad and Lynne, Yes, I am looking for the former pointers only. However, later pointers are also useful for me. I need former pointers because I want to have a look at the piece-wise stitching of multi-lingual models in IBIS. Thank you very much your response. Best Regards, Venu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:10 PM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Venu, The files Lynne is referring to may not be what you are looking for. Do you want to see a .IBS file which points to some *-AMS files using the [External Model] or [External Circuit] keywords, or are you looking for the *-AMS models themselves? I have been working mostly on the latter, because the former is really not that big of a deal to write. So the presentations and files you will find from me on that web site are mostly the *-AMS models. Arpad ================================================================= - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Lynne D. Green Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:30 AM To: 'Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu)'; 'ibis-users'; 'ibis' Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Hello, Venu, One could look at some of the recent IBIS Summit papers by Arpad Muranyi. http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/summits/index-byauthor.htm Best regards, Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu) Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:50 AM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: [IBIS-Users] Need example IBISv4.1 multi-lingual model Hi All, Could some one give me pointers where can I get some example v4.1 multi-lingual IBIS models? Thanks for your help. Best Regards, Venu - ----------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:21:28 -0800 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] ICM 1.1 approved as an ANSI standard! The IBIS Open Forum is pleased to announce that the IBIS Interconnect Modeling Specification (ICM), version 1.1 has been standardized through the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), as of January 18, 2006. Confirmation from ANSI can be viewed through http://public.ansi.org/ansionline/Documents/Standards%20Action/SAV3703.p df. Official copies of the new standard, ANSI/GEIA STD-0001-2006, are available through ANSI (http://www.ansi.org), GEIA (http://www.geia.org) and other document distribution services. - - Michael Mirmak Intel Corp. Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum http://www.eigroup.org/ibis/ http://www.eda.org/ibis/ |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:44:17 -0800 From: Bob Ross Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] Problem in falling Waveform Hello Bindu: 1. You set up both rising waveforms to Vcc and both falling waveforms to ground. You probably meant to set up each to both Vcc and ground 2. Your falling waveform in both cases is correct. It just ends at Vcc, but starts at a reasonable voltage. Bob Nekkondi, Hima wrote: > Hi, > > > > > > I have developed the ibis models using s2ibis2. > > In .ibis modeling faliing wave from for typ case > values are zeros(0). > > > > I am attaching the my .ibs file . > > > > Can any one tell me why it is comming like that. > > > > > > Regards, > > Bindu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > |************************************************************************ > | IBIS file nppdpu.ibs created by s2ibis2 version 1.1 > | North Carolina State University Electronics Research Laboratory 1995 > |************************************************************************ > | > [IBIS ver] 2.1 > [File name] test.ibs > [File Rev] 0 > [Date] Friday,Jan 11, 2005 > [Source] File originated at Qualcomm > | > |************************************************************************ > | Component dora65 > |************************************************************************ > | > [Component] > [Manufacturer] > [Package] > | variable typ min max > R_pkg 0.000 0.000 0.000 > L_pkg 0.000H 0.000H 0.000H > C_pkg 0.000F 0.000F 0.000F > | > [Pin] signal_name model_name R_pin L_pin C_pin > 1 out nppdpu > | 2 in dummy > | 3 enable dummy > 4 VDD POWER > 5 VSS GND > | > |************************************************************************ > | Model nppdpu > |************************************************************************ > | > [Model] nppdpu > Model_type I/O > Polarity Non-Inverting > Enable Active-High > Vinl = 0.91V > Vinh = 1.69V > C_comp 5.00pF 5.00pF 5.00pF > | > | > [Temperature Range] 40.00 0.12k -40.00 > [Voltage Range] 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > [Pulldown] > | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) > | > -2.60 -4.00mA -3.00mA -4.00mA > -2.40 -4.00mA -4.00mA -3.00mA > -2.20 -3.00mA -3.00mA -4.00mA > -2.00 -4.00mA -3.00mA -4.00mA > -1.80 -4.00mA -3.00mA -4.00mA > -1.60 -4.00mA -3.00mA -3.00mA > -1.40 -4.00mA -3.00mA -4.00mA > -1.20 -3.40mA -2.90mA -4.10mA > -1.00 -4.80mA -2.80mA -14.80mA > -0.80 -18.98mA -6.20mA -31.58mA > -0.70 -20.88mA -11.65mA -29.97mA > -0.60 -19.43mA -13.71mA -27.84mA > -0.50 -17.22mA -12.36mA -24.81mA > -0.40 -14.16mA -10.14mA -20.45mA > -0.30 -10.76mA -7.66mA -15.62mA > -0.20 -7.24mA -5.12mA -10.60mA > -0.10 -3.66mA -2.57mA -5.40mA > 0.00 6.00pA 50.00pA 0.50pA > 0.10 3.59mA 2.49mA 5.34mA > 0.20 6.95mA 4.82mA 10.34mA > 0.30 10.08mA 6.99mA 15.01mA > 0.40 12.98mA 9.00mA 19.33mA > 0.50 15.66mA 10.84mA 23.31mA > 0.60 18.10mA 12.52mA 26.95mA > 0.70 20.31mA 14.04mA 30.24mA > 0.80 22.29mA 15.40mA 33.18mA > 0.90 24.05mA 16.59mA 35.77mA > 1.00 25.57mA 17.63mA 38.01mA > 1.10 26.86mA 18.51mA 39.88mA > 1.20 27.93mA 19.23mA 41.37mA > 1.30 28.76mA 19.80mA 42.40mA > 1.40 29.34mA 20.22mA 43.01mA > 1.50 29.70mA 20.50mA 43.39mA > 1.60 29.94mA 20.68mA 43.65mA > 1.70 30.12mA 20.82mA 43.86mA > 1.80 30.27mA 20.93mA 44.04mA > 1.90 30.40mA 21.03mA 44.21mA > 2.00 30.51mA 21.11mA 44.35mA > 2.10 30.62mA 21.19mA 44.49mA > 2.20 30.72mA 21.26mA 44.62mA > 2.30 30.81mA 21.33mA 44.75mA > 2.40 30.90mA 21.39mA 44.87mA > 2.50 30.98mA 21.45mA 44.98mA > 2.60 31.07mA 21.51mA 45.10mA > 2.70 31.15mA 21.57mA 45.21mA > 2.80 31.23mA 21.65mA 45.32mA > 2.90 31.31mA 21.89mA 45.43mA > 3.00 31.50mA 22.87mA 45.54mA > 3.10 32.37mA 27.12mA 45.69mA > 3.20 34.42mA 59.61mA 46.53mA > 3.30 38.66mA 0.18A 49.03mA > 3.40 71.56mA 0.36A 52.93mA > 3.50 0.21A 0.57A 58.24mA > 3.60 0.43A 0.78A 92.44mA > 3.70 0.68A 0.99A 0.27A > 3.80 0.93A 1.21A 0.56A > 4.00 1.43A 1.64A 1.18A > 4.20 1.95A 2.08A 1.82A > 4.40 2.47A 2.52A 2.46A > 4.60 2.99A 2.96A 3.11A > 4.80 3.51A 3.40A 3.76A > 5.00 4.03A 3.85A 4.41A > 5.20 4.56A 4.29A 5.06A > > > | > [Pullup] > | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) > | > -2.60 5.00mA 5.00mA 5.00mA > -2.40 5.00mA 6.00mA 5.00mA > -2.20 5.00mA 5.00mA 5.00mA > -2.00 4.00mA 5.00mA 5.00mA > -1.80 5.00mA 4.00mA 5.00mA > -1.60 5.00mA 4.00mA 5.00mA > -1.40 5.00mA 4.00mA 5.00mA > -1.20 4.40mA 4.00mA 4.90mA > -1.00 5.10mA 3.90mA 13.60mA > -0.80 17.60mA 7.00mA 28.32mA > -0.70 19.28mA 12.16mA 27.45mA > -0.60 18.12mA 13.59mA 25.73mA > -0.50 16.15mA 12.27mA 22.91mA > -0.40 13.30mA 10.13mA 18.75mA > -0.30 9.94mA 7.57mA 14.04mA > -0.20 6.56mA 4.97mA 9.32mA > -0.10 3.25mA 2.44mA 4.65mA > 0.00 0.73nA 0.46nA 1.21nA > 0.10 -3.14mA -2.34mA -4.54mA > 0.20 -6.15mA -4.56mA -8.89mA > 0.30 -9.01mA -6.67mA -13.06mA > 0.40 -11.73mA -8.66mA -17.04mA > 0.50 -14.30mA -10.54mA -20.82mA > 0.60 -16.73mA -12.30mA -24.40mA > 0.70 -19.01mA -13.93mA -27.78mA > 0.80 -21.13mA -15.45mA -30.95mA > 0.90 -23.10mA -16.85mA -33.90mA > 1.00 -24.92mA -18.13mA -36.64mA > 1.10 -26.57mA -19.29mA -39.14mA > 1.20 -28.06mA -20.32mA -41.42mA > 1.30 -29.40mA -21.23mA -43.47mA > 1.40 -30.57mA -22.03mA -45.27mA > 1.50 -31.57mA -22.70mA -46.83mA > 1.60 -32.42mA -23.26mA -48.12mA > 1.70 -33.09mA -23.69mA -49.10mA > 1.80 -33.59mA -24.02mA -49.77mA > 1.90 -33.94mA -24.25mA -50.22mA > 2.00 -34.20mA -24.43mA -50.56mA > 2.10 -34.40mA -24.57mA -50.84mA > 2.20 -34.58mA -24.69mA -51.09mA > 2.30 -34.74mA -24.80mA -51.32mA > 2.40 -34.88mA -24.90mA -51.54mA > 2.50 -35.03mA -24.99mA -51.75mA > 2.60 -35.16mA -25.09mA -51.95mA > 2.70 -35.29mA -25.18mA -52.15mA > 2.80 -35.42mA -25.27mA -52.34mA > 2.90 -35.55mA -25.41mA -52.53mA > 3.00 -35.71mA -25.99mA -52.72mA > 3.10 -36.22mA -29.32mA -52.92mA > 3.20 -37.73mA -57.94mA -53.52mA > 3.30 -40.91mA -0.16A -55.53mA > 3.40 -68.99mA -0.32A -58.50mA > 3.50 -0.20A -0.51A -62.12mA > 3.60 -0.40A -0.70A -90.57mA > 3.70 -0.62A -0.89A -0.26A > 3.80 -0.85A -1.09A -0.52A > 4.00 -1.31A -1.48A -1.10A > 4.20 -1.79A -1.89A -1.69A > 4.40 -2.27A -2.29A -2.29A > 4.60 -2.75A -2.69A -2.89A > 4.80 -3.23A -3.10A -3.50A > 5.00 -3.71A -3.50A -4.10A > 5.20 -4.20A -3.91A -4.71A > > | > [GND_clamp] > | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) > | > -2.60 -4.16A -3.68A -4.96A > -2.50 -3.92A -3.48A -4.65A > -2.40 -3.68A -3.27A -4.35A > -2.30 -3.43A -3.07A -4.05A > -2.20 -3.19A -2.87A -3.75A > -2.10 -2.95A -2.67A -3.44A > -2.00 -2.71A -2.46A -3.14A > -1.90 -2.47A -2.26A -2.84A > -1.80 -2.23A -2.06A -2.54A > -1.70 -1.99A -1.86A -2.24A > -1.60 -1.75A -1.66A -1.94A > -1.50 -1.52A -1.46A -1.64A > -1.40 -1.28A -1.26A -1.34A > -1.30 -1.04A -1.06A -1.05A > -1.20 -0.81A -0.87A -0.76A > -1.10 -0.58A -0.67A -0.47A > -1.00 -0.36A -0.48A -0.21A > -0.90 -0.16A -0.30A -37.42mA > -0.80 -33.34mA -0.14A -8.52mA > -0.70 -4.92mA -32.65mA -5.06mA > -0.60 -1.83mA -3.85mA -2.28mA > -0.50 -0.44mA -0.56mA -0.43mA > -0.40 -35.77uA -65.86uA -14.59uA > -0.30 -1.78uA -5.89uA -0.24uA > -0.20 -74.54nA -0.50uA -3.11nA > -0.10 -6.77nA -84.68nA -0.21nA > 0.00 -4.01nA -51.52nA -0.16nA > 0.10 -3.54nA -45.71nA -0.15nA > 0.20 -3.17nA -41.90nA -0.13nA > 0.30 -2.84nA -38.37nA -0.12nA > 0.40 -2.54nA -35.07nA -0.11nA > 0.50 -2.26nA -31.99nA -94.81pA > 0.60 -2.00nA -29.11nA -82.76pA > 0.70 -1.77nA -26.42nA -71.05pA > 0.80 -1.55nA -23.90nA -59.46pA > 0.90 -1.36nA -21.53nA -48.20pA > 1.00 -1.17nA -19.30nA -37.06pA > 1.10 -1.00nA -17.20nA -26.38pA > 1.20 -0.85nA -15.21nA -15.01pA > 1.30 -0.70nA -13.32nA -4.55pA > 1.40 -0.56nA -11.53nA 6.37pA > 1.50 -0.43nA -9.81nA 16.83pA > 1.60 -0.31nA -8.18nA 27.74pA > 1.70 -0.19nA -6.60nA 38.20pA > 1.80 -74.35pA -5.09nA 48.66pA > 1.90 35.24pA -3.62nA 59.12pA > 2.00 0.14nA -2.19nA 69.58pA > 2.10 0.25nA -0.80nA 80.95pA > 2.20 0.35nA 0.57nA 90.49pA > 2.30 0.45nA 1.94nA 0.10nA > 2.40 0.55nA 3.43nA 0.11nA > 2.50 0.66nA 12.42nA 0.12nA > 2.60 1.03nA 0.14uA 0.13nA > | > [POWER_clamp] > | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) > | > -2.60 4.52A 4.05A 5.34A > -2.50 4.26A 3.82A 5.01A > -2.40 4.00A 3.60A 4.69A > -2.30 3.74A 3.38A 4.36A > -2.20 3.48A 3.16A 4.04A > -2.10 3.22A 2.94A 3.71A > -2.00 2.96A 2.72A 3.39A > -1.90 2.70A 2.50A 3.06A > -1.80 2.44A 2.28A 2.74A > -1.70 2.18A 2.06A 2.42A > -1.60 1.92A 1.84A 2.10A > -1.50 1.66A 1.62A 1.77A > -1.40 1.40A 1.40A 1.45A > -1.30 1.15A 1.18A 1.14A > -1.20 0.90A 0.97A 0.82A > -1.10 0.64A 0.76A 0.51A > -1.00 0.40A 0.55A 0.23A > -0.90 0.18A 0.34A 46.82mA > -0.80 40.35mA 0.16A 12.17mA > -0.70 7.10mA 38.06mA 6.97mA > -0.60 2.91mA 5.38mA 3.19mA > -0.50 0.93mA 1.15mA 0.79mA > -0.40 0.12mA 0.21mA 42.48uA > -0.30 6.86uA 22.77uA 0.70uA > -0.20 0.28uA 1.90uA 7.27nA > -0.10 9.91nA 0.14uA 0.22nA > 0.00 1.03nA 12.42nA 0.14nA > | > [Ramp] > | variable typ min max > dV/dt_r 0.84/0.29n 0.66/0.43n 1.05/0.17n > dV/dt_f 0.84/0.26n 0.61/0.36n 1.08/0.14n > R_load = 50.00 > | > [Rising Waveform] > R_fixture = 50.00 > V_fixture = 0.000 > V_fixture_min = 0.000 > V_fixture_max = 0.000 > | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) > | > 0.000S 0.000V 1.13uV 0.000V > 1.000e-10S 0.24uV 1.34uV 15.80nV > 0.20nS 20.27uV 0.68uV -3.25mV > 0.30nS -5.24mV -0.21mV -18.25mV > 0.40nS -13.35mV -3.69mV -17.94mV > 0.50nS -15.08mV -9.60mV 45.02mV > 0.60nS -12.47mV -12.45mV 0.48V > 0.70nS -10.53mV -12.50mV 0.98V > 0.80nS 11.64mV -10.55mV 1.49V > 0.90nS 0.20V -6.82mV 1.67V > 1.00nS 0.53V -7.37mV 1.72V > 1.10nS 0.85V 4.94mV 1.73V > 1.20nS 1.09V 95.80mV 1.75V > 1.30nS 1.23V 0.26V 1.75V > 1.40nS 1.32V 0.48V 1.75V > 1.50nS 1.36V 0.65V 1.75V > 1.60nS 1.37V 0.74V 1.75V > 1.70nS 1.38V 0.86V 1.76V > 1.80nS 1.39V 0.94V 1.76V > 1.90nS 1.39V 0.99V 1.76V > 2.00nS 1.40V 1.04V 1.76V > 2.10nS 1.40V 1.06V 1.76V > 2.20nS 1.40V 1.08V 1.76V > 2.30nS 1.40V 1.08V 1.76V > 2.40nS 1.40V 1.09V 1.76V > 2.50nS 1.40V 1.09V 1.76V > 2.60nS 1.40V 1.09V 1.76V > 2.70nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 2.80nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 2.90nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.00nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.10nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.20nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.30nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.40nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.50nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.60nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.70nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.80nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 3.90nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.00nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.10nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.20nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.30nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.40nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.50nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.60nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.70nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.80nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 4.90nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 5.00nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > | > [Rising Waveform] > R_fixture = 50.00 > V_fixture = 2.60 > V_fixture_min = 2.50 > V_fixture_max = 2.70 > | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) > | > 0.000S 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 1.000e-10S 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 0.20nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 0.30nS 1.24V 1.48V 1.47V > 0.40nS 1.49V 1.50V 2.31V > 0.50nS 2.00V 1.66V 2.58V > 0.60nS 2.37V 1.93V 2.66V > 0.70nS 2.49V 2.15V 2.67V > 0.80nS 2.55V 2.34V 2.68V > 0.90nS 2.57V 2.43V 2.69V > 1.00nS 2.58V 2.47V 2.69V > 1.10nS 2.58V 2.48V 2.70V > 1.20nS 2.59V 2.48V 2.70V > 1.30nS 2.59V 2.48V 2.70V > 1.40nS 2.59V 2.48V 2.70V > 1.50nS 2.59V 2.49V 2.70V > 1.60nS 2.60V 2.49V 2.70V > 1.70nS 2.60V 2.49V 2.70V > 1.80nS 2.60V 2.49V 2.70V > 1.90nS 2.60V 2.49V 2.70V > 2.00nS 2.60V 2.49V 2.70V > 2.10nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.20nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.30nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.40nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.50nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.60nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.70nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.80nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 2.90nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.00nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.10nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.20nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.30nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.40nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.50nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.60nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.70nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.80nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 3.90nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.00nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.10nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.20nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.30nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.40nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.50nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.60nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.70nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.80nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 4.90nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 5.00nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > | > [Falling Waveform] > R_fixture = 50.00 > V_fixture = 2.60 > V_fixture_min = 2.50 > V_fixture_max = 2.70 > | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) > | > 0.000S 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 1.000e-10S 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 0.20nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.70V > 0.30nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.71V > 0.40nS 2.60V 2.50V 2.75V > 0.50nS 2.62V 2.50V 2.44V > 0.60nS 2.64V 2.50V 1.62V > 0.70nS 2.64V 2.51V 1.22V > 0.80nS 2.49V 2.53V 0.98V > 0.90nS 2.11V 2.53V 0.92V > 1.00nS 1.75V 2.52V 0.91V > 1.10nS 1.50V 2.43V 0.91V > 1.20nS 1.34V 2.23V 0.91V > 1.30nS 1.28V 2.01V 0.91V > 1.40nS 1.23V 1.80V 0.91V > 1.50nS 1.21V 1.68V 0.91V > 1.60nS 1.21V 1.63V 0.91V > 1.70nS 1.21V 1.58V 0.91V > 1.80nS 1.20V 1.52V 0.91V > 1.90nS 1.20V 1.51V 0.91V > 2.00nS 1.20V 1.50V 0.91V > 2.10nS 1.20V 1.49V 0.91V > 2.20nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.30nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.40nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.50nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.60nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.70nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.80nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 2.90nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.00nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.10nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.20nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.30nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.40nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.50nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.60nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.70nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.80nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 3.90nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.00nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.10nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.20nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.30nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.40nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.50nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.60nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.70nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.80nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 4.90nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > 5.00nS 1.20V 1.48V 0.91V > | > [Falling Waveform] > R_fixture = 50.00 > V_fixture = 0.000 > V_fixture_min = 0.000 > V_fixture_max = 0.000 > | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) > | > 0.000S 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 1.000e-10S 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 0.20nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 0.30nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.75V > 0.40nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.46V > 0.50nS 1.34V 1.10V 0.48V > 0.60nS 0.99V 1.10V 16.57mV > 0.70nS 0.57V 1.05V 8.52mV > 0.80nS 0.19V 0.82V 3.69mV > 0.90nS 38.36mV 0.47V 1.25mV > 1.00nS 10.13mV 0.22V 0.58mV > 1.10nS 5.79mV 83.39mV 0.31mV > 1.20nS 3.24mV 28.42mV 70.19uV > 1.30nS 1.92mV 12.43mV -25.86uV > 1.40nS 1.05mV 6.07mV -8.28uV > 1.50nS 0.46mV 4.12mV 1.35uV > 1.60nS 0.31mV 3.26mV 1.15uV > 1.70nS 0.20mV 2.14mV 0.89uV > 1.80nS 0.12mV 1.47mV 0.36uV > 1.90nS 40.61uV 0.95mV -0.36uV > 2.00nS 20.80uV 0.53mV -0.84uV > 2.10nS 9.65uV 0.33mV 25.60nV > 2.20nS 8.54uV 0.16mV 0.80uV > 2.30nS 6.82uV 0.12mV 0.38uV > 2.40nS 3.11uV 84.03uV -0.20uV > 2.50nS 0.66uV 58.42uV -0.73uV > 2.60nS 0.65uV 34.80uV -0.13uV > 2.70nS 0.49uV 21.58uV 0.65uV > 2.80nS 0.000V 11.23uV 0.19uV > 2.90nS 0.000V 8.01uV -0.34uV > 3.00nS 0.000V 5.51uV -0.66uV > 3.10nS 0.000V 2.70uV -0.11uV > 3.20nS 0.000V 3.20uV 0.58uV > 3.30nS 0.000V 4.28uV 0.52uV > 3.40nS 0.000V 5.78uV -0.15uV > 3.50nS 0.000V 3.97uV -0.61uV > 3.60nS 0.000V -0.40uV -87.11nV > 3.70nS 0.000V 0.78uV 0.59uV > 3.80nS 0.000V 0.73uV 0.18uV > 3.90nS 0.000V 1.94uV -0.28uV > 4.00nS 0.000V 1.23uV -0.56uV > 4.10nS 0.000V 1.27uV -72.38nV > 4.20nS 0.000V 1.34uV 0.53uV > 4.30nS 0.000V 1.40uV 0.47uV > 4.40nS 0.000V 1.36uV -0.11uV > 4.50nS 0.000V 1.29uV -0.52uV > 4.60nS 0.000V 1.28uV -60.32nV > 4.70nS 0.000V 1.32uV 0.51uV > 4.80nS 0.000V 1.36uV 0.32uV > 4.90nS 0.000V 1.35uV -0.38uV > 5.00nS 0.000V 1.34uV -1.673e-20V > | > | End [Model] nppdpu > | > | End [Component] > | > [End] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [Falling Waveform] > R_fixture = 50.00 > V_fixture = 0.000 > V_fixture_min = 0.000 > V_fixture_max = 0.000 > | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) > | > 0.000S 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 1.000e-10S 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 0.20nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.76V > 0.30nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.75V > 0.40nS 1.40V 1.10V 1.46V > 0.50nS 1.34V 1.10V 0.48V > 0.60nS 0.99V 1.10V 16.57mV > 0.70nS 0.57V 1.05V 8.52mV > 0.80nS 0.19V 0.82V 3.69mV > 0.90nS 38.36mV 0.47V 1.25mV > 1.00nS 10.13mV 0.22V 0.58mV > 1.10nS 5.79mV 83.39mV 0.31mV > 1.20nS 3.24mV 28.42mV 70.19uV > 1.30nS 1.92mV 12.43mV -25.86uV > 1.40nS 1.05mV 6.07mV -8.28uV > 1.50nS 0.46mV 4.12mV 1.35uV > 1.60nS 0.31mV 3.26mV 1.15uV > 1.70nS 0.20mV 2.14mV 0.89uV > 1.80nS 0.12mV 1.47mV 0.36uV > 1.90nS 40.61uV 0.95mV -0.36uV > 2.00nS 20.80uV 0.53mV -0.84uV > 2.10nS 9.65uV 0.33mV 25.60nV > 2.20nS 8.54uV 0.16mV 0.80uV > 2.30nS 6.82uV 0.12mV 0.38uV > 2.40nS 3.11uV 84.03uV -0.20uV > 2.50nS 0.66uV 58.42uV -0.73uV > 2.60nS 0.65uV 34.80uV -0.13uV > 2.70nS 0.49uV 21.58uV 0.65uV > 2.80nS 0.000V 11.23uV 0.19uV > 2.90nS 0.000V 8.01uV -0.34uV > 3.00nS 0.000V 5.51uV -0.66uV > 3.10nS 0.000V 2.70uV -0.11uV > 3.20nS 0.000V 3.20uV 0.58uV > 3.30nS 0.000V 4.28uV 0.52uV > 3.40nS 0.000V 5.78uV -0.15uV > 3.50nS 0.000V 3.97uV -0.61uV > 3.60nS 0.000V -0.40uV -87.11nV > 3.70nS 0.000V 0.78uV 0.59uV > 3.80nS 0.000V 0.73uV 0.18uV > 3.90nS 0.000V 1.94uV -0.28uV > 4.00nS 0.000V 1.23uV -0.56uV > 4.10nS 0.000V 1.27uV -72.38nV > 4.20nS 0.000V 1.34uV 0.53uV > 4.30nS 0.000V 1.40uV 0.47uV > 4.40nS 0.000V 1.36uV -0.11uV > 4.50nS 0.000V 1.29uV -0.52uV > 4.60nS 0.000V 1.28uV -60.32nV > 4.70nS 0.000V 1.32uV 0.51uV > 4.80nS 0.000V 1.36uV 0.32uV > 4.90nS 0.000V 1.35uV -0.38uV > 5.00nS 0.000V 1.34uV -1.673e-20V - -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 401-284-1827 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@teraspeed.com Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:07:23 +0100 From: Ralf Bruening Subject: [IBIS-Users] European IBIS Summit at DATe 2006 - Final Call for Paper/Call for Participation To All: We have been holding successful European IBIS Summit Meetings for the past seven years. This year we are again holding a meeting along with DATe 06 on Friday, March 10, 2006. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments & sandwiches are planned. The meeting is sponsored by ZUKEN, Mentor and Siemens to cover room costs, food and refreshments, thanks to all sponsors which allow to make this event happen. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and the presentations as their have been proposals so far. You are invited to register and also to submit further presentation proposals. Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design Solutions ZUKEN EMC Technology Center - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I N A L C A L L F O R P A R T I C I P A T I O N Time/Date: 9:00 AM - 2:00 PM, Friday, March 10, 2006 Location: Meeting room @ ICM Messe Munich (Munich ICM Congress Center) Munich, Germany (where DATE 2006 is being held). Free DATE 2006 exhibition registration for room entry, see URL below. Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas Sponsors: Zuken, Mentor Graphics, Siemens. If your company would be interested in sponsoring this event, please contact Ralf Bruening under ralf.bruening@zuken.de Sponsors financial support strengthens the organization by allowing IBIS to focus resources on industry activities rather than raising money, and you will receive generous thanks for your support. DATE 2006 Conference: March 06-10, 2006. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day after the DATE 2005 exhibition ends. Location: ICM International Congress Center, Munich, Germany DATE URL: http://www.date-conference.com Background: DATE (Design, Automation, and Test in Europe) is the only European event dedicated to electronic system design and test. Topics of current interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DATE. This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting where presentations will be made available on the IBIS server. Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued. Topics and presentations may include (list is open for further contributions): - Submitted Presentations on IBIS Topics (See below) - Information about the most recent IBIS Developments - Less formal Ad Hoc Presentations and Discussions - IBIS and Modelling Questions and Answers The meeting is FREE and OPEN TO EVERYONE. However, you will have to register (FREE) for the exhibition@DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments are planned. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentation proposals. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, March 3rd, 2006): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) PRESENTATIONS SCHEDULED SO FAR: (titles tentative, presenters will be enlisted in final agenda, if not took place yet, would please the presenters committet so far send me the presentations asap - thx). 1. JEITA EDA -WG Activity and Study of Interconnect Model Part 2 (NEC/PANASONIC/JEITA) 2. Influence of stimuli patterns to model behaviour/rise & fall times (SIEMENS) 3. Activities of the Siemens IBIS Group SIG (SIEMENS) 4. SSO Investigations (SIEMENS) 5. Status of EMI Modelling standard ICEM, results from a european funding project (INFINEON/ZUKEN) 6. Functional SI Simulation using IBIS 4.1 and HDL models (MENTOR) 7. Gate Modelling Issues (SIEMENS) 8. Introduction to the IBIS Macro Model Library (INTEL) 9. Accuracy of IBIS models with reactive loads (INTEL) 10. IC macromodels from on the fly transient responses (POLITECHNICO de TORINO) CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking further presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some suggested subjects of interest are: - IBIS Model Development Experiences - Company IBIS Standards and Requirements - Generating and Validating IBIS Models - Future IBIS Requirements - Modelling of dedicated technology issues (i.e. connectors, very high speed interfaces) - EMC/EMI and Power Integrity IBIS Issues - Experiences using IBIS in the PCB Design process Format of Presentation: LCD or Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat PDF. Electronic presentations should be made available by February the 25th, 2005. Otherwise the presentor will be expected to provide 30 copies for distribution. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to both: Ralf Bruening (ralf.bruening@zuken.de) AGENDA The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a luncheon (which will be provided). This will be developed as presentation proposals are received. LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. Looking forward to meeting you at DATe 2006 in Munich Ralf Bruening _____________________________________________ Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design/Partner & Solution Business Zuken EMC Technology Center Vattmannstr.3 33100 Paderborn Germany Tel: ++49 (0) 5251 150 600 Fax: ++49 (0) 5251 150 700 Web: www.zuken.com _____________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:47:34 +0800 From: Xuefeng Chen Subject: [IBIS-Users] Bush Hold and Enable node Hi expert, Is there any relation between the transition of Bush Hold submodel and the shift of enable->disable of top model? I failed to find the relation in IBIS4.1. I think the transition of Bush Hold is only related to Vdie, disregarding whether or not top buffer is disable. Is it right? Many thanks Xuefeng |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:49:38 -0800 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Bush Hold and Enable node Xuefeng, You are raising an excellent question. The IBIS spec may not be totally clear on this, but the enable signal should have no effect on the operation of the bus hold portion of a model. The bus-hold buffer's purpose in life is to keep the bus from floating and/or to terminate it to reduce reflections. You can think of it as a buffer that drives the pad based on a signal level that is sees on the pad (instead of a stimulus coming from an internal logic output). You can also think of it as an active terminator which changes states as the signal is changing on the pad. Based on this description it would not make sense to disable such a buffer. Of course, I could imagine cases when the bus hold is turned off while the driver is driving, or when special conditions require that, but those cases could be taken care of with making separate models and using the [Model Selector] keyword. I hope this answered your question. Arpad Muranyi Intel Corporation - ------------------------------------------------------ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Xuefeng Chen Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 12:48 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Bush Hold and Enable node Hi expert, Is there any relation between the transition of Bush Hold submodel and the shift of enable->disable of top model? I failed to find the relation in IBIS4.1. I think the transition of Bush Hold is only related to Vdie, disregarding whether or not top buffer is disable. Is it right? Many thanks Xuefeng |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:55:38 +0100 From: Ralf Bruening Subject: [IBIS-Users] European IBIS Summit at DATe 2006 - Agenda + Final Call for Partipation To All: We have been holding successful European IBIS Summit Meetings for the past seven years. This year we are again holding a meeting along with DATe 06 on Friday, March 10, 2006. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is free and open to everyone. However, you will have to register for the exhibition at DATe (to get access to the meeting room). Refreshments & sandwiches are planned. The meeting is sponsored by ZUKEN, Mentor and Siemens to cover room costs, food and refreshments, thanks to all sponsors which allow to make this event happen. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and the presentations as their have been proposals so far. You are invited to register and participate the meeting (even without pre-registration which is mainly for planning of food/bererage/room size). Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design Solutions ZUKEN EMC Technology Center - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I N A L C A L L F O R P A R T I C I P A T I O N Time/Date: 9:00 AM - 2:30 PM, Friday, March 10, 2006 Location: Meeting room @ ICM Messe Munich (Munich ICM Congress Center) Munich, Germany (where DATE 2006 is being held). Free DATE 2006 exhibition registration for room entry, see URL below. Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas Sponsors: Zuken, Mentor Graphics, Siemens. Agenda: (Preliminary, maybe subject of change) ======= 8:30 REFRESHMENTS & SIGN IN 9:00 WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS Ralf Bruening, Zuken, Germany 9:10 ACTIVITIES OF THE SIEMENS IBIS GROUP SIGSIG Eckhard Lenski, Siemens AG, Germany 9:25 JEITA EDA - WG ACTIVITY AND STUDY OF INTERCONNECT MODEL, PART-2 Takeshi Watanabe, NEC Electronics Corporation, Atsuji Ito, Panasonic, and Kazuhiko Kusunoki, KAW/Keihin Artwork, Japan 10:00 TBD Katja Koller, Siemens AG, Germany 10:25 BREAK (10 Minutes) 10:35 ACCURACY OF IBIS MODELS WITH REACTIVE LOADS Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corporation, USA 10:55 SSO SIMULATION WITH IBIS Manfred Maurer, Siemens AG., Germany 11:15 IBIS MACRO MODEL LIBRARY - OVERVIEW Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corporation, USA 11:50 STATUS OF THE EMI MODELLING STANDARD ICEM, RESULTS FROM A EUROPEAN FUNDING PROJECT Thomas Steinecke, Infineon AG and Ralf Bruening, Zuken, Germany 12:05 LUNCH/DISCUSSION (40 Minutes) 12:45 INFLUENCE OF STIMULI PATTERNS TO MODEL BEHAVIOUR RISE AND FALL TIMES Eckhard Lenski, Siemens AG, Germany 13:05 IC MACROMODELS FROM ON-THE-FLY TRANSIENT RESPONSES Flavio Canavero, Ivan Maio, and Igor Stievano, Politecnico di Torino, Italy (Presented by Igor Stievano) 13:25 FIRST STEPS WITH [External Model] IN IBIS Katja Koller, Siemens AG, Germany 13:45 HDL AND IBIS 4.1 MODELS IN A FUNCTIONAL DDR MEMORY INTERFACE ANALYSIS Simon Vines, Mentor Graphics, United Kingdom 14:15 AD HOC TOPICS AND CLOSING TOPICS Ralf Bruening, Zuken 14:30 END OF MEETING - ------------------------------------------------------------------ DATE 2006 Conference: March 06-10, 2006. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day after the DATE 2005 exhibition ends. Location: ICM International Congress Center, Munich, Germany DATE URL: http://www.date-conference.com Background: DATE (Design, Automation, and Test in Europe) is the only European event dedicated to electronic system design and test. Topics of current interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DATE. This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting where presentations will be made available on the IBIS server. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below - otherwise just attend the meeting ad-hoc LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS See for travel directions, hotels and other information. Looking forward to meeting you at DATe 2006 in Munich Ralf Bruening ________________________________ Ralf Bruening Product Manager High Speed Design/Partner & Solution Business Zuken EMC Technology Center Vattmannstr.3 33100 Paderborn Germany _____________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:02:20 -0800 From: "Mirmak, Michael" Subject: [IBIS-Users] Agenda, IBIS Open Forum teleconference for March 10, 2006 IBIS Open Forum Meeting Agenda for March 10, 2006 Telephone Number Bridge Passcode 1-916-356-2663 3 987-3862 All meetings are 8:00 AM to 9:55 AM US Pacific Time. When calling into the meeting, provide the bridge number and passcode at the automated prompts. If asked by an operator, please request to join the IBIS Open Forum hosted by Michael Mirmak. For international numbers, please contact Michael Mirmak. 8:00 Check-In, Intros, Announcements Mirmak - Intros of New IBIS Participants, Meeting Quorum Mirmak - Call for Patents Mirmak - Membership Status and Treasurer's Report Mirmak - Review of Previous Meeting's Minutes (and ARs) Mirmak February 9, 2006 Summit Minutes February 17, 2006 Open Forum Minutes - Web Page Updates Huq - Mailing List Administration Ross - Model Library Update Wang - Announcements, Opens for New Issues All 8:15 Project Discussions and Subcommittee Reports International/External Progress All EIA, ANSI Approval Activities Wolff Summit Status All - DATE (Mar. 10) - Summits in Asia Task Group Reports - Quality Haller - Model Review Green - Futures Mirmak - Cookbook Mirmak - Macromodeling Library Muranyi New Issues All 8:45 Technical Discussion IBIS 4.2 Draft Mirmak - First "Reading" and Call for Comment BIRD97.2: Gate Modulation Effect Muranyi BIRD98: Gate Modulation Effect (table format) Muranyi IBISCHK4 BUG Status All ICMCHK1 BUG Status All New Technical Issues All 9:50 Wrap Up and Next Meeting Plans Mirmak - March 31, 2006 IBIS Open Forum Teleconference 9:55 Sign Off |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:54:46 +0530 From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" Subject: [IBIS-Users] Verilog A templates for SSO enhancement of IBIS model This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64121.56BB3F0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 Does anyone is working on development of verilog-A templates for SSO enhancement of IBIS model? =20 =20 I hope these verilog-A templates will be useful as BIRD's 95.6 (Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS) and 97.2 (Gate Modulation Effect). =20 Thanks for your inputs. =20 Regards, Venu - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64121.56BB3F0C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

 

Does anyone is working on = development of verilog-A templates for SSO enhancement of IBIS model? =  

 

I hope these verilog-A templates = will be useful as BIRD’s 95.6 (Power Integrity Analysis using IBIS) and = 97.2 (Gate Modulation Effect).

 

Thanks for your = inputs.

 

Regards,

Venu

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64121.56BB3F0C-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:49:48 +0000 From: "lau yy" Subject: [IBIS-Users] FW: [IBIS] Pull Down data This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_408f_239f_186c Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed



From: "lau yy" <tok47@hotmail.com>
To: ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS] Pull Down data
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:45:50 +0000

Hi ALL,
 
 
I have some question regading the Pull Down datas.
 
The data for my I/O pin start from 0 then decrease (become negative value), but suddenly the data turn to positive value (in mV). Anything wrong with these datas?
 
And when I check these data by using ibischk3, I have the mismatch problem. Is this cause by the Pull Down datas? Is this a design problem or simulator problem?
 
I do attach the IBIS model with this mail.
 
Thanks
 
rdgs
yylau

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[Copyright] (C) COPYRIGHT 1999 | |************************************************************************ | Component S99-50048 |************************************************************************ | [Component] S99-50048 [Package] | variable typ min max R_pkg 0.000 0.000 0.000 L_pkg 0.000H 0.000H 0.000H C_pkg 0.000F 0.000F 0.000F | [Pin] signal_name model_name R_pin L_pin C_pin G3 VSS GND 6.9390m 0.4210nH 10.4100pF G4 DQ0 IO0 0.1236 2.8140nH 2.1380pF J5 VCC POWER 32.3000m 0.7000nH 3.2350pF | DSOn DSOn dummy | EN EN dummy | |************************************************************************ | Model IO0 |************************************************************************ | [Model] IO0 Model_type I/O Vinl = 0.8000V Vinh = 2.0000V Vmeas = 1.5000V Cref = 30.0000pF C_comp 0.4620pF 0.4620pF 0.4620pF | | [Temperature Range] 25.0000 85.0000 -40.0000 [Pullup Reference] 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V [Pulldown Reference] 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V [POWER Clamp Reference] 3.0000V 2.7000V 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3.3000 12.9300mA 12.8900mA 15.9500mA 3.4000 13.3300mA 35.8600mA 16.4300mA 3.5000 13.8500mA 0.3497A 16.9100mA 3.6000 14.6900mA 1.4350A 17.3800mA 3.7000 16.3400mA 2.9550A 17.8600mA 3.8000 40.6900mA 4.6390A 18.3400mA 3.9000 0.4883A 6.4060A 18.8100mA 4.0000 1.7820A 8.2160A 19.2900mA 4.2000 5.1630A 11.9100A 20.6400mA 4.4000 8.8150A 15.6600A 23.6700mA 4.6000 12.5500A 19.4500A 0.6848A 4.8000 16.3400A 23.2700A 3.9070A 5.0000 20.1600A 27.1000A 7.5670A 5.2000 23.9900A 30.9400A 11.3300A 5.4000 27.8400A 34.7900A 15.1300A 5.6000 31.7000A 38.6500A 18.9600A 5.8000 35.5600A 42.5100A 22.8100A 6.0000 39.4300A 46.3800A 26.6700A | [Pullup] | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) | -3.0000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -2.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -2.6000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -2.4000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -2.2000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -2.0000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -1.8000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -1.6000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -1.4000 0.000A 0.000A 0.000A -1.2000 -1.0000mA 0.000A 0.000A -1.0000 -2.0000mA -1.0000mA -3.0000mA -0.9000 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1.8000 -8.1420mA -6.6910mA -10.0400mA 1.9000 -8.5670mA -7.0300mA -10.5700mA 2.0000 -8.9890mA -7.3630mA -11.1000mA 2.1000 -9.4070mA -7.6920mA -11.6200mA 2.2000 -9.8210mA -8.0150mA -12.1500mA 2.3000 -10.2300mA -8.3320mA -12.6700mA 2.4000 -10.6400mA -8.6430mA -13.1800mA 2.5000 -11.0400mA -8.9470mA -13.6900mA 2.6000 -11.4300mA -9.2430mA -14.2000mA 2.7000 -11.8200mA -9.5320mA -14.7000mA 2.8000 -12.2100mA -9.8110mA -15.2000mA 2.9000 -12.5800mA -10.0800mA -15.6900mA 3.0000 -12.9600mA -10.3400mA -16.1800mA 3.1000 -13.3200mA -10.6400mA -16.6600mA 3.2000 -13.6800mA -11.7000mA -17.1400mA 3.3000 -14.0300mA -28.7400mA -17.6100mA 3.4000 -14.4000mA -0.2918A -18.0800mA 3.5000 -14.9500mA -1.3180A -18.5400mA 3.6000 -16.0600mA -2.8160A -19.0000mA 3.7000 -26.4700mA -4.4930A -19.4500mA 3.8000 -0.2921A -6.2540A -19.8900mA 3.9000 -1.4270A -8.0610A -20.3200mA 4.0000 -3.0090A -9.8970A -20.7500mA 4.2000 -6.5380A -13.6200A -22.3600mA 4.4000 -10.2300A -17.3900A -28.5600mA 4.6000 -13.9900A -21.2000A -1.5280A 4.8000 -17.7900A -25.0200A -4.9790A 5.0000 -21.6200A -28.8500A -8.6800A 5.2000 -25.4600A -32.7000A -12.4600A 5.4000 -29.3100A -36.5500A -16.2700A 5.6000 -33.1700A -40.4100A -20.1100A 5.8000 -37.0300A -44.2800A -23.9600A 6.0000 -40.9000A -48.1500A -27.8200A | [GND_clamp] | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) | -0.8000 -0.2859A -1.3160A -13.9900mA -0.7000 -17.0900mA -0.2872A -9.1090mA -0.6000 -6.4110mA -22.3400mA -7.5640mA -0.5000 -5.0480mA -4.9580mA -6.1590mA -0.4000 -3.9900mA -3.4040mA -4.8990mA -0.3000 -2.9910mA -2.5330mA -3.6780mA -0.2000 -1.9990mA -1.6920mA -2.4590mA -0.1000 -1.0070mA -0.8530mA -1.2390mA 0.0000 -14.9900uA -13.5000uA -17.9900uA 0.1000 0.9772mA 0.8257mA 1.2030mA 0.2000 1.9690mA 1.6640mA 2.4230mA 0.3000 2.9590mA 2.5020mA 3.6420mA 0.4000 3.9500mA 3.3380mA 4.8610mA 0.5000 4.9390mA 4.1740mA 6.0790mA 0.6000 5.9280mA 5.0090mA 7.2970mA 0.7000 6.9160mA 5.8440mA 8.5130mA 0.8000 7.9030mA 6.6770mA 9.7290mA 0.9000 8.8890mA 7.5090mA 10.9400mA 1.0000 9.8750mA 8.3400mA 12.1600mA 1.1000 10.8600mA 9.1710mA 13.3700mA 1.2000 11.8400mA 10.0000mA 14.5800mA 1.3000 12.8300mA 10.8300mA 15.8000mA 1.4000 13.8100mA 11.6600mA 17.0100mA 1.5000 14.7900mA 12.4800mA 18.2200mA 1.6000 15.7700mA 13.3100mA 19.4300mA 1.7000 16.7500mA 14.1300mA 20.6400mA 1.8000 17.7300mA 14.9500mA 21.8400mA 1.9000 18.7100mA 15.7800mA 23.0500mA 2.0000 19.6900mA 16.6000mA 24.2600mA 2.1000 20.6600mA 17.4200mA 25.4600mA 2.2000 21.6400mA 18.2300mA 26.6600mA 2.3000 22.6100mA 19.0500mA 27.8700mA 2.4000 23.5900mA 19.8700mA 29.0700mA 2.5000 24.5600mA 20.6800mA 30.2700mA 2.6000 25.5300mA 21.4900mA 31.4700mA 2.7000 26.5000mA 22.3000mA 32.6700mA 2.8000 27.4700mA 23.1100mA 33.8700mA 2.9000 28.4400mA 23.9200mA 35.0700mA 3.0000 29.4100mA 24.7300mA 36.2600mA | [POWER_clamp] | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) | -3.0000 39.4300A 40.5800A 38.3000A -2.9000 37.4900A 38.6500A 36.3600A -2.8000 35.5600A 36.7200A 34.4200A -2.7000 33.6300A 34.7900A 32.4800A -2.6000 31.7000A 32.8600A 30.5400A -2.5000 29.7700A 30.9400A 28.6100A -2.4000 27.8400A 29.0200A 26.6700A -2.3000 25.9100A 27.1000A 24.7400A -2.2000 23.9900A 25.1800A 22.8100A -2.1000 22.0700A 23.2700A 20.8900A -2.0000 20.1600A 21.3600A 18.9600A -1.9000 18.2500A 19.4500A 17.0500A -1.8000 16.3400A 17.5600A 15.1300A -1.7000 14.4400A 15.6600A 13.2200A -1.6000 12.5500A 13.7800A 11.3200A -1.5000 10.6800A 11.9100A 9.4400A -1.4000 8.8150A 10.0500A 7.5660A -1.3000 6.9720A 8.2160A 5.7160A -1.2000 5.1620A 6.4050A 3.9060A -1.1000 3.4120A 4.6380A 2.1770A -1.0000 1.7810A 2.9540A 0.6812A -0.9000 0.4854A 1.4330A 39.7900mA -0.8000 35.4900mA 0.3463A 14.5200mA -0.7000 10.7700mA 31.1600mA 12.3700mA -0.6000 8.6700mA 8.3400mA 10.4600mA -0.5000 7.1330mA 6.0520mA 8.6530mA -0.4000 5.6840mA 4.7750mA 6.9220mA -0.3000 4.2640mA 3.5780mA 5.1990mA -0.2000 2.8470mA 2.3870mA 3.4740mA -0.1000 1.4290mA 1.1970mA 1.7440mA 0.0000 9.8740uA 8.8880uA 11.8500uA | [Ramp] | variable typ min max dV/dt_r 0.3255/4.0780n 0.2487/6.3524n 0.4601/2.9939n dV/dt_f 0.2952/3.5609n 0.2298/4.6225n 0.4206/2.8854n R_load = 50.0000 | [Rising Waveform] R_fixture = 50.0000 V_fixture = 0.000 V_fixture_min = 0.000 V_fixture_max = 0.000 | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) | 0.000S 0.6255mV 0.5778mV 0.7230mV 1.0000nS -0.5016mV -0.1535mV -0.9056mV 2.0000nS -0.1305mV -0.6243mV 28.8665mV 3.0000nS 24.5423mV -27.1333uV 0.1984V 4.0000nS 85.4900mV 5.9735mV 0.4166V 5.0000nS 0.1613V 18.0600mV 0.5621V 6.0000nS 0.2286V 31.4800mV 0.6407V 7.0000nS 0.3179V 58.8967mV 0.6998V 8.0000nS 0.3964V 91.3900mV 0.7377V 9.0000nS 0.4388V 0.1210V 0.7508V 10.0000nS 0.4867V 0.1743V 0.7620V 11.0000nS 0.5108V 0.2184V 0.7660V 12.0000nS 0.5237V 0.2600V 0.7671V 13.0000nS 0.5321V 0.2985V 0.7676V 14.0000nS 0.5356V 0.3217V 0.7677V 15.0000nS 0.5392V 0.3519V 0.7677V 16.0000nS 0.5410V 0.3732V 0.7676V 17.0000nS 0.5417V 0.3823V 0.7676V 18.0000nS 0.5421V 0.3888V 0.7676V 19.0000nS 0.5426V 0.3968V 0.7676V 20.0000nS 0.5428V 0.4014V 0.7676V 21.0000nS 0.5429V 0.4038V 0.7676V 22.0000nS 0.5430V 0.4064V 0.7676V 23.0000nS 0.5431V 0.4087V 0.7676V 24.0000nS 0.5431V 0.4101V 0.7676V 25.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4109V 0.7676V 26.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4120V 0.7676V 27.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4127V 0.7676V 28.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4130V 0.7676V 29.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4136V 0.7676V 30.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4139V 0.7676V 31.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4141V 0.7676V 32.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4143V 0.7676V 33.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4144V 0.7676V 34.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4146V 0.7676V 35.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4147V 0.7676V 36.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4148V 0.7676V 37.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4149V 0.7676V 38.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4149V 0.7676V 39.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4149V 0.7676V 40.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4150V 0.7676V 41.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4150V 0.7676V 42.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4150V 0.7676V 43.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 44.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 45.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 46.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 47.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 48.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 49.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V 50.0000nS 0.5432V 0.4151V 0.7676V | [Rising Waveform] R_fixture = 50.0000 V_fixture = 3.0000 V_fixture_min = 2.7000 V_fixture_max = 3.6000 | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) | 0.000S 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 1.0000nS 2.5470V 2.3390V 2.9655V 2.0000nS 2.7220V 2.4785V 3.2280V 3.0000nS 2.8633V 2.5833V 3.4360V 4.0000nS 2.9380V 2.6420V 3.5325V 5.0000nS 2.9675V 2.6670V 3.5645V 6.0000nS 2.9800V 2.6790V 3.5790V 7.0000nS 2.9887V 2.6877V 3.5877V 8.0000nS 2.9940V 2.6930V 3.5930V 9.0000nS 2.9960V 2.6955V 3.5955V 10.0000nS 2.9977V 2.6973V 3.5977V 11.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6980V 3.5990V 12.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6987V 3.5990V 13.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6990V 3.5990V 14.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6990V 3.5990V 15.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6990V 3.6000V 16.0000nS 2.9990V 2.6990V 3.6000V 17.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 18.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 19.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 20.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 21.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 22.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6990V 3.6000V 23.0000nS 3.0000V 2.6997V 3.6000V 24.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 25.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 26.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 27.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 28.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 29.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 30.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 31.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 32.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 33.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 34.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 35.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 36.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 37.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 38.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 39.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 40.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 41.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 42.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 43.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 44.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 45.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 46.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 47.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 48.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 49.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V 50.0000nS 3.0000V 2.7000V 3.6000V | [Falling Waveform] R_fixture = 50.0000 V_fixture = 0.000 V_fixture_min = 0.000 V_fixture_max = 0.000 | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) | 0.000S 0.5432V 0.4143V 0.7678V 1.0000nS 0.4781V 0.3700V 0.6754V 2.0000nS 0.2921V 0.2244V 0.4015V 3.0000nS 0.1412V 0.1166V 0.1813V 4.0000nS 65.9800mV 56.8950mV 76.9000mV 5.0000nS 34.4050mV 31.2650mV 40.5650mV 6.0000nS 21.1400mV 19.6400mV 24.1100mV 7.0000nS 11.6793mV 11.0720mV 12.8970mV 8.0000nS 6.0190mV 5.9370mV 6.7070mV 9.0000nS 3.8175mV 3.7315mV 4.2570mV 10.0000nS 1.7690mV 1.8273mV 2.0647mV 11.0000nS 0.9227mV 1.0470mV 1.1130mV 12.0000nS 0.5398mV 0.6288mV 0.6330mV 13.0000nS 0.3070mV 0.3877mV 0.3274mV 14.0000nS 0.2174mV 0.2769mV 0.2038mV 15.0000nS 0.1196mV 0.1523mV 84.2433uV 16.0000nS 63.2600uV 82.6600uV 29.3500uV 17.0000nS 42.4200uV 59.2900uV 14.4000uV 18.0000nS 29.1100uV 43.8200uV 7.4200uV 19.0000nS 15.9333uV 29.1667uV 1.8999uV 20.0000nS 9.9000uV 22.2900uV 0.1019uV 21.0000nS 7.3165uV 18.7750uV 0.000V 22.0000nS 4.9810uV 15.3150uV 0.000V 23.0000nS 3.2090uV 12.1100uV 0.000V 24.0000nS 2.2430uV 10.0600uV 0.000V 25.0000nS 1.7325uV 8.7565uV 0.000V 26.0000nS 1.1010uV 6.9387uV 0.000V 27.0000nS 0.7264uV 5.7260uV 0.000V 28.0000nS 0.4823uV 4.9455uV 0.000V 29.0000nS 42.8000nV 3.8617uV 0.000V 30.0000nS 0.000V 3.1460uV 0.000V 31.0000nS 0.000V 2.5547uV 0.000V 32.0000nS 0.000V 2.0600uV 0.000V 33.0000nS 0.000V 1.7455uV 0.000V 34.0000nS 0.000V 1.3167uV 0.000V 35.0000nS 0.000V 1.0380uV 0.000V 36.0000nS 0.000V 0.8617uV 0.000V 37.0000nS 0.000V 0.6233uV 0.000V 38.0000nS 0.000V 0.3011uV 0.000V 39.0000nS 0.000V 18.6150nV 0.000V 40.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 41.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 42.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 43.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 44.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 45.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 46.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 47.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 48.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 49.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V 50.0000nS 0.000V 0.000V 0.000V | [Falling Waveform] R_fixture = 50.0000 V_fixture = 3.0000 V_fixture_min = 2.7000 V_fixture_max = 3.6000 | time V(typ) V(min) V(max) | 0.000S 2.9990V 2.6990V 3.5990V 1.0000nS 3.0025V 2.7015V 3.6030V 2.0000nS 3.0010V 2.7015V 3.5780V 3.0000nS 2.9707V 2.6987V 3.4307V 4.0000nS 2.9000V 2.6845V 3.2225V 5.0000nS 2.8140V 2.6600V 3.0855V 6.0000nS 2.7390V 2.6330V 3.0130V 7.0000nS 2.6573V 2.5877V 2.9560V 8.0000nS 2.5940V 2.5330V 2.9230V 9.0000nS 2.5655V 2.4900V 2.9100V 10.0000nS 2.5357V 2.4270V 2.9010V 11.0000nS 2.5220V 2.3890V 2.8980V 12.0000nS 2.5153V 2.3647V 2.8973V 13.0000nS 2.5110V 2.3480V 2.8970V 14.0000nS 2.5095V 2.3400V 2.8975V 15.0000nS 2.5083V 2.3313V 2.8980V 16.0000nS 2.5080V 2.3260V 2.8980V 17.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3240V 2.8980V 18.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3225V 2.8980V 19.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3207V 2.8980V 20.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3200V 2.8980V 21.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3190V 2.8980V 22.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3180V 2.8980V 23.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3177V 2.8980V 24.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3170V 2.8980V 25.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3170V 2.8980V 26.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3170V 2.8980V 27.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3170V 2.8980V 28.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3165V 2.8980V 29.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 30.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 31.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 32.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 33.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 34.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 35.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 36.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 37.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 38.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 39.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 40.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 41.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 42.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 43.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 44.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 45.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 46.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 47.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 48.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 49.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V 50.0000nS 2.5070V 2.3160V 2.8980V | | End [Model] IO0 | | End [Component] S99-50048 | [End] - ------=_NextPart_000_408f_239f_186c-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:31:13 -0800 From: "Tom Dagostino" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] FW: [IBIS] Pull Down data This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6422E.7545DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, these are very bad. Without knowing anything about the buffer its hard to give you any feedback. But pulldown curves should just about never have negative currents in the active region between ground and Vcc. Also, the clamps are double counted. Tom Dagostino Teraspeed(R) Labs 13610 SW Harness Lane Beaverton, OR 97008 503-430-1065 tom@teraspeed.com www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of lau yy Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:50 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] FW: [IBIS] Pull Down data - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "lau yy" To: ibis@eda.org Subject: [IBIS] Pull Down data Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:45:50 +0000 Hi ALL, I have some question regading the Pull Down datas. The data for my I/O pin start from 0 then decrease (become negative value), but suddenly the data turn to positive value (in mV). Anything wrong with these datas? And when I check these data by using ibischk3, I have the mismatch problem. Is this cause by the Pull Down datas? Is this a design problem or simulator problem? I do attach the IBIS model with this mail. Thanks rdgs yylau - ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6422E.7545DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=20 these are very bad.  Without knowing anything about the buffer its = hard to=20 give you any feedback.  But pulldown curves should just about never = have=20 negative currents in the active region between ground and Vcc.  = Also, the=20 clamps are double counted.
 

Tom Dagostino
Teraspeed(R) Labs
13610 SW Harness = Lane
Beaverton, OR=20 97008
503-430-1065
tom@teraspeed.com
www.teraspeed.com

Te= raspeed=20 Consulting Group LLC
121 North River Drive
Narragansett, RI=20 02882
401-284-1827

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-ibis-users@eda.org=20 [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org]On Behalf Of lau = yy
Sent:=20 Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:50 PM
To:=20 ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] FW: [IBIS] Pull = Down=20 data



From: "lau yy" <tok47@hotmail.com>
To:=20 ibis@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS] Pull Down = data
Date:=20 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:45:50 +0000

Hi ALL,
 
 
I have some question regading the Pull Down = datas.
 
The data for my I/O pin start from 0 then decrease = (become=20 negative value), but suddenly the data turn to positive value (in = mV).=20 Anything wrong with these datas?
 
And when I check these data by using ibischk3, I = have the=20 mismatch problem. Is this cause by the Pull Down datas? Is this a = design=20 problem or simulator problem?
 
I do attach the IBIS model with this mail.
 
Thanks
 
rdgs
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C6422E.7545DF00-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:12:57 +0100 From: Fabio BRINA Subject: [IBIS-Users] accuracy Hi to all, the curves of IBIS model that my s2ibis2 produces have two numbers after the dot: 0.00 -15.78pA -0.24nA -10.56pA 0.10 8.74mA 4.38mA 15.94mA .... which is the manner to obtain a better accuracy , for example four numbers after dot ? (using this version of s2ibis) 0.00 -15.7823pA -0.2434nA -10.5622pA 0.10 8.7412mA 4.3812mA 15.9452mA .... many thanks. Fabio |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:39:41 -0800 From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] accuracy The latest version of s2ibis2 was modified to increase the resolution of datapoints. The 2 digits after decimal is an older version of s2ibis2. You could use s2ibis3 or the latest version of s2ibis2. http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/s2ibis3/s2ibis3.htm http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/ <-(download the _fix version) - - Syed - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Fabio BRINA Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:13 AM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: [IBIS-Users] accuracy Hi to all, the curves of IBIS model that my s2ibis2 produces have two numbers after the dot: 0.00 -15.78pA -0.24nA -10.56pA 0.10 8.74mA 4.38mA 15.94mA .... which is the manner to obtain a better accuracy , for example four numbers after dot ? (using this version of s2ibis) 0.00 -15.7823pA -0.2434nA -10.5622pA 0.10 8.7412mA 4.3812mA 15.9452mA .... many thanks. Fabio |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org with just |the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:59:51 -0800 From: "Lynne D. Green" Subject: RE: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] accuracy s2ibis3 fixed several known bugs in s2ibis2. As Syed noted, s2ibis3 can be downloaded http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/s2ibis3/s2ibis3.htm - - Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@mindspring.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis@eda.org] On Behalf Of Syed Huq (shuq) Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:40 AM To: Fabio BRINA; ibis-users; ibis Subject: [IBIS] RE: [IBIS-Users] accuracy The latest version of s2ibis2 was modified to increase the resolution of datapoints. The 2 digits after decimal is an older version of s2ibis2. You could use s2ibis3 or the latest version of s2ibis2. http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/s2ibis3/s2ibis3.htm http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/ <-(download the _fix version) - - Syed - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Fabio BRINA Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:13 AM To: ibis-users; ibis Subject: [IBIS-Users] accuracy Hi to all, the curves of IBIS model that my s2ibis2 produces have two numbers after the dot: 0.00 -15.78pA -0.24nA -10.56pA 0.10 8.74mA 4.38mA 15.94mA .... which is the manner to obtain a better accuracy , for example four numbers after dot ? (using this version of s2ibis) 0.00 -15.7823pA -0.2434nA -10.5622pA 0.10 8.7412mA 4.3812mA 15.9452mA .... many thanks. 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I have a Thin Client motherboard working. Great! My first high-speed design! A high-speed design that required traces with controlled impedance and Signal Integrity knowledges. The matter is the follow.... We intend to prototype it through LPKF. We would like to reduce the time of manufacturing it. So it was proposed to me, fill the empty spaces of the internal planes of the board stack up with cooper, and connecting these cooper spaces with the digital ground. My asking... what are the effects of this procedure? What about the traces impedance and the reference plane? Because I think that the board will be almost with 3 ground planes... Trusting in your help, Raul Moreira |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:00:53 -0300 From: "Raul Moreira" Subject: [IBIS-Users] RES: Ground Planes Please consider empty spaces as WITHOUT traces routed. - -----Mensagem original----- De: Raul Moreira [mailto:raul@lesc.ufc.br] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 8 de março de 2006 14:57 Para: 'si-list@freelists.org' Cc: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Assunto: Ground Planes Dear Masters, I have a doubt. I have a Thin Client motherboard working. Great! My first high-speed design! A high-speed design that required traces with controlled impedance and Signal Integrity knowledges. The matter is the follow.... We intend to prototype it through LPKF. We would like to reduce the time of manufacturing it. So it was proposed to me, fill the empty spaces of the internal planes of the board stack up with cooper, and connecting these cooper spaces with the digital ground. My asking... what are the effects of this procedure? What about the traces impedance and the reference plane? Because I think that the board will be almost with 3 ground planes... Trusting in your help, Raul Moreira |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:52:12 +0530 From: Subject: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64687.FF635C2E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C64687.FF635C2E" - ------_=_NextPart_002_01C64687.FF635C2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Experts, =0D I have generated an Output Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is +V to -V , IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to -V response depending on appropriate load (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra quest) using some dummy Input IBIS model , But when I perform simulations using Hspice I am not seeing +V to -V swing, instead it is swinging improperly from +V to 0 I have attached the control deck for that simulation on IBIS model. =0D Could any one of you let me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add anything in HSPICE deck to see intended functionality?=0D =0D Thanks in advance for your help on this=0D =0D Best Regards Kiran Kumar =0D The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to= this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and= may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. 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Hi Experts,

   

     I have generated an Output= Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is  +V to –V ,  IBIS model is Good= to give out such +V to –V response depending on appropriate load (75= ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra quest) using some dummy Input= IBIS model , But when I perform simulations  using Hspice  I am not= seeing +V to –V swing, instead it is swinging improperly from +V to 0=  I have attached the control deck for that simulation on IBIS model.=  

      Could any one of you let= me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add anything in HSPICE deck= to see intended functionality?

 

Thanks in advance for your help on this=

 

Best Regards

Kiran Kumar

        =


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Kiran,
 
What is the voltage on the node "VSS"? =20 What
is the value inside the IBIS file = for=20 the
[Voltage Range] or [Pulldown = Reference]=20 keywords?
 
Arpad Muranyi
Intel Corporation
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org=20 [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of=20 seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 = 2:22=20 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] = Hspice=20 problem for IBIS simulations

Hi=20 Experts,

   =20

     I = have=20 generated an Output Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is  +V to = =96V=20 ,  IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to =96V response = depending on=20 appropriate load (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra = quest)=20 using some dummy Input IBIS model , But when I perform simulations =  using=20 Hspice  I am not seeing +V to =96V swing, instead it is swinging = improperly=20 from +V to 0  I have attached the control deck for that simulation = on IBIS=20 model.  

      Could=20 any one of you let me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add = anything in HSPICE deck to see intended functionality?=20

 

Thanks in advance for your = help on=20 this

 

Best=20 Regards

Kiran=20 Kumar

        =20


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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C647DC.B3AF32CD-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:21:48 +0530 From: Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C647EC.2B3930F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Arpad, =0D I have used following option in IBIS model =0D [Voltage Range] 1.8V 1.62V 1.89V =0D So VSS is grounded i.e 0V=0D =0D Let me know if you need further information=0D =0D Thanks & Best Regards Kiran Kumar =0D ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:31 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations =0D Kiran, =0D What is the voltage on the node "VSS"? What is the value inside the IBIS file for the [Voltage Range] or [Pulldown Reference] keywords? =0D Arpad Muranyi Intel Corporation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =0D ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations Hi Experts, =0D I have generated an Output Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is +V to -V , IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to -V response depending on appropriate load (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra quest) using some dummy Input IBIS model , But when I perform simulations using Hspice I am not seeing +V to -V swing, instead it is swinging improperly from +V to 0 I have attached the control deck for that simulation on IBIS model. =0D Could any one of you let me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add anything in HSPICE deck to see intended functionality?=0D =0D Thanks in advance for your help on this=0D =0D Best Regards Kiran Kumar =0D The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.=0D WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com =0D The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to= this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and= may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you= are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or= copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all= copies of this message and any attachments.=0D WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient= should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses.= The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus= transmitted by this email. =0D www.wipro.com - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C647EC.2B3930F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Arpad,

  =

     I have used= following option in IBIS model

 

[Voltage Range]     &nb= sp; 1.8V           = 1.62V        = 1.89V

 

    So VSS is grounded= i.e 0V

 

Let me know if you need  further information

 

Thanks & Best= Regards

Kiran= Kumar

 

From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad
Sent: Wednesday, March 15,= 2006 8:31 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users]= Hspice problem for IBIS simulations

 

Kiran,

 

What is the voltage on the node "VSS"?  What

is the value inside the IBIS file for= the

[Voltage Range] or [Pulldown Reference] keywords?

 

Arpad Muranyi

Intel Corporation

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

From:= owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On= Behalf Of seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006= 2:22 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations

Hi Experts,

   

     I have generated an Output= Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is  +V to –V ,  IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to –V response depending on appropriate load= (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra quest) using some dummy= Input IBIS model , But when I perform simulations  using Hspice  I am= not seeing +V to –V swing, instead it is swinging improperly from +V to 0  I have attached the control deck for that simulation on IBIS model.  

      Could any one of you let= me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add anything in HSPICE deck= to see intended functionality?

 

Thanks in advance for your help on this=

 

Best Regards

Kiran Kumar

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- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C647EC.2B3930F8-- |------------------------------------------------------------------ |For help or to subscribe/unsubscribe, email majordomo@eda.org |with just the appropriate command message(s) in the body: | | help | subscribe ibis | subscribe ibis-users | unsubscribe ibis | unsubscribe ibis-users | |or email a written request to ibis-request@eda.org. | |IBIS reflector archives exist under: | | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/users_archive/ Recent | http://www.eda.org/pub/ibis/email/ E-mail since 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:16:13 -0800 From: "Muranyi, Arpad" Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64808.B9C44441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kiran, =20 In that case there is nothing wrong with the results you are getting from HSPICE. If you want to see a negative voltage on the output of the B-element, you should define a negative [Pulldown Reference] so that the pulldown IV curve's origin would be that negative voltage that you want to see. =20 Arpad =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On = Behalf Of seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:52 PM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations Hi Arpad, =20 I have used following option in IBIS model =20 [Voltage Range] 1.8V 1.62V 1.89V =20 So VSS is grounded i.e 0V=20 =20 Let me know if you need further information=20 =20 Thanks & Best Regards Kiran Kumar =20 ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On = Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:31 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations =20 Kiran, =20 What is the voltage on the node "VSS"? What is the value inside the IBIS file for the [Voltage Range] or [Pulldown Reference] keywords? =20 Arpad Muranyi Intel Corporation =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 ________________________________ From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On = Behalf Of seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 AM To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS simulations Hi Experts, =20 I have generated an Output Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is = +V to -V , IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to -V response = depending on appropriate load (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI = tool(spectra quest) using some dummy Input IBIS model , But when I = perform simulations using Hspice I am not seeing +V to -V swing, = instead it is swinging improperly from +V to 0 I have attached the = control deck for that simulation on IBIS model. =20 Could any one of you let me know whether my deck is proper or do I = need to add anything in HSPICE deck to see intended functionality?=20 =20 Thanks in advance for your help on this=20 =20 Best Regards Kiran Kumar =20 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments = to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) = and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If = you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, = distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and = destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.=20 WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient = should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. = The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus = transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com =20 The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments = to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) = and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If = you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, = distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and = destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.=20 WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient = should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. = The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus = transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com =09 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C64808.B9C44441 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kiran,
 
In that case there is nothing wrong with=20 the
results you are getting from HSPICE.  If = you
want to see a negative voltage on the=20 output
of the B-element, you should define a=20 negative
[Pulldown Reference] so that the pulldown=20 IV
curve's origin would be that negative=20 voltage
that you want to see.
 
Arpad
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org=20 [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of=20 seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, = 2006 8:52=20 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] = Hspice=20 problem for IBIS simulations

Hi=20 Arpad,

  =20

    =20 I have used following option in IBIS model

 

[Voltage = Range]    &nb= sp; =20 1.8V           =20 1.62V        =20 1.89V

 

    So=20 VSS is grounded i.e 0V

 

Let me know = if you need=20  further information

 

Thanks & = Best=20 Regards

Kiran=20 Kumar

 

From:=20 owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Muranyi, = Arpad
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 = 8:31=20 AM
To:=20 ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE:=20 [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS=20 simulations

 

Kiran,

 

What is the = voltage on the=20 node "VSS"?  What

is the value = inside the IBIS=20 file for the

[Voltage = Range] or [Pulldown Reference]=20 keywords?

 

Arpad=20 Muranyi

Intel=20 Corporation

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From:=20 owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of=20 seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:22 = AM
To:=20 ibis-users@eda.org
Subject:=20 [IBIS-Users] Hspice problem for IBIS = simulations

Hi=20 Experts,

   =20

     I = have=20 generated an Output Buffer IBIS model whose output swing is  +V to = =96V=20 ,  IBIS model is Good to give out such +V to =96V response = depending on=20 appropriate load (75 ohms), this I verified with some SI tool(spectra = quest)=20 using some dummy Input IBIS model , But when I perform simulations =  using=20 Hspice  I am not seeing +V to =96V swing, instead it is swinging = improperly=20 from +V to 0  I have attached the control deck for that simulation = on IBIS=20 model.  

      Could=20 any one of you let me know whether my deck is proper or do I need to add = anything in HSPICE deck to see intended functionality?=20

 

Thanks in advance for your = help on=20 this

 

Best=20 Regards

Kiran=20 Kumar

        =20


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