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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:34:57 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [IBIS-Users] Question on Oscillator

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  Is it possible to model an "Oscillator" into an IBIS file. If yes, then could you please direct me to a good place where i could find helpful stuff.
   
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:15:26 +0100
From: <Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hi experts,

once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...

Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in which format) to generate reasonable package model for IBIS models of our components.

Possible solutions:
==============
1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse Matrix] models can't generate models for multidrop networks (i.e. one pin one the input, more than one pads on output), sloppy support from simulation tools
2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction (and nobody wants to do it manually :-(((()
3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about cross-coupling RLC elements (coupling capacitances, mutual inductances, etc.)

Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" it with IBIS model?

IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End External Circuit], [External Model], [End External Model] [Node Declarations], [End Node Declarations], [Circuit Call] and [End Circuit Call] to support multi-lingual models - nice! 
Main question:
Is there a possibility to replace package description in [Pin] section of [Component] with some [External Circuit] or [External Model] or [Node Declarations]?
So what I want to do is to replace:
[Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
|
A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
.
.
.
T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF

With a call to HSpice netlist

[Circuit Call]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End Circuit Call]

Or 

[External Circuit]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End External Circuit]

Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for something like that at all?

When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided in IBIS specs, I am not sure that it is possible.

| The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of IBIS is shown in the 
| following diagram:
|
|
|   |-- [Component]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
|   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
|   |   | ...
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
|   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [Model]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [External Model]
|   |   |-- [End External Model]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [External Circuit]
|   |-- [End External Circuit]
|   | ...

Has anybody some idea about it?

Many thanks for every answer!

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem
Radovan Vuletiæ

Infineon Technologies AG
MP PD PDE
MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
Am Campeon 1-12
D-85579 Neuebiberg

Phone:		+49 (0)89 234 20108
Fax (PC):	+49 (0)89 234 955 5305 

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:24:22 -0800
From: "Beal, Weston" <weston.beal@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Radovan,

This is precisely one of the objectives of the [external circuit] block in IBIS 4 so you surely can do what you propose in IBIS. The second step is to find an EDA vendor who supports the syntax that want to use.

The [Circuit Call] and [External Circuit] blocks are used together. [External Circuit] references a SPICE circuit file for the definition of the circuit and then [Circuit Call] instantiates and connects that circuit one or more times in the IBIS component. One thing to be careful of is that you don't make the SPICE circuit include too many pins. The simulator will most likely have to simulate all the PCB nets connected to one [circuit call] and this could quickly grow to an unmanageable simulation.

When you find your EDA vendor that supports this syntax, you should contact the technical marketing engineer or application engineer or customer support engineer for help in creating your first IBIS component. This first one can be confusing, but after you get the concept firm in your mind it's pretty easy, like learning logarithms.

Regards,
Weston

 
The content of this message is my personal opinion only and although I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak on behalf of Intel on this matter. 
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:15 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hi experts,

once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...

Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in which format) to generate reasonable package model for IBIS models of our components.

Possible solutions:
==============
1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse Matrix] models can't generate models for multidrop networks (i.e. one pin one the input, more than one pads on output), sloppy support from simulation tools
2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction (and nobody wants to do it manually :-(((()
3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about cross-coupling RLC elements (coupling capacitances, mutual inductances, etc.)

Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" it with IBIS model?

IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End External Circuit], [External Model], [End External Model] [Node Declarations], [End Node Declarations], [Circuit Call] and [End Circuit Call] to support multi-lingual models - nice! 
Main question:
Is there a possibility to replace package description in [Pin] section of [Component] with some [External Circuit] or [External Model] or [Node Declarations]?
So what I want to do is to replace:
[Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
|
A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
.
.
.
T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF

With a call to HSpice netlist

[Circuit Call]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End Circuit Call]

Or 

[External Circuit]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End External Circuit]

Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for something like that at all?

When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided in IBIS specs, I am not sure that it is possible.

| The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of IBIS is shown in the 
| following diagram:
|
|
|   |-- [Component]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
|   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
|   |   | ...
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
|   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [Model]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [External Model]
|   |   |-- [End External Model]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [External Circuit]
|   |-- [End External Circuit]
|   | ...

Has anybody some idea about it?

Many thanks for every answer!

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem
Radovan Vuletiæ

Infineon Technologies AG
MP PD PDE
MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
Am Campeon 1-12
D-85579 Neuebiberg

Phone:		+49 (0)89 234 20108
Fax (PC):	+49 (0)89 234 955 5305 

E-mail: radovan.vuletic@infineon.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:14:05 -0800
From: "Lynne D. Green" <lgreen22@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hello, Radovan,

One could look into ICM Nodal or Path models.  ICM s-parameters can be built
from the RLC values, or any of the EDA extraction tools that can generate
Touchstone files.  These solutions are supported by most IBIS EDA tools.

As an alternative, some EDA tools (HSPICE, Mentor, and Cadence come to mind)
allow SPICE (RLC, Tline) subcircuits (netlists, models) to be used with IBIS
buffer models.  This does limit the choice of tools, since external SPICE
subcircuits are not supported by all IBIS EDA tools.

Best regards,
Lynne


"IBIS training when you need it, where you need it."

Dr. Lynne Green
Green Streak Programs
http://www.greenstreakprograms.com
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:15 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hi experts,

once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...

Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in which format) to
generate reasonable package model for IBIS models of our components.

Possible solutions:
==============
1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse Matrix] models
can't generate models for multidrop networks (i.e. one pin one the input,
more than one pads on output), sloppy support from simulation tools
2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction (and nobody
wants to do it manually :-(((()
3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about cross-coupling RLC
elements (coupling capacitances, mutual inductances, etc.)

Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" it with IBIS
model?

IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End External Circuit],
[External Model], [End External Model] [Node Declarations], [End Node
Declarations], [Circuit Call] and [End Circuit Call] to support
multi-lingual models - nice! 
Main question:
Is there a possibility to replace package description in [Pin] section of
[Component] with some [External Circuit] or [External Model] or [Node
Declarations]?
So what I want to do is to replace:
[Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
|
A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
.
.
.
T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF

With a call to HSpice netlist

[Circuit Call]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End Circuit Call]

Or 

[External Circuit]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End External Circuit]

Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for something like
that at all?

When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided in IBIS specs,
I am not sure that it is possible.

| The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of IBIS is shown 
| in the following diagram:
|
|
|   |-- [Component]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
|   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
|   |   | ...
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
|   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [Model]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [External Model]
|   |   |-- [End External Model]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [External Circuit]
|   |-- [End External Circuit]
|   | ...

Has anybody some idea about it?

Many thanks for every answer!

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ

Infineon Technologies AG
MP PD PDE
MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
Am Campeon 1-12
D-85579 Neuebiberg

Phone:		+49 (0)89 234 20108
Fax (PC):	+49 (0)89 234 955 5305 

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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:53:41 -0800
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Radovan,

Thank you for your questions on IBIS.  Both you and Weston have highlighted approaches that are available under IBIS 4.1.  I would like to add a few details, to illustrate some of the concerns about packages under IBIS and how improvements now in planning will address your concerns.

1) You are correct that the approaches under IBIS may not address all possibilities.  A simple description of the options is:
a) [Pin] - each pin may have a lumped RLC circuit; does not cover corner cases, distributed t-lines or coupling
b) [Package] - the entire component may have lumped RLC package circuit descriptions; covers corners, but not distributed t-lines or coupling
c) [Package Model] - through .pkg, pins have distributed frequency-independent t-lines as packages, but without coupling.  The same keyword can also support .pkg files with matrix data for coupling; however these matrices are frequency-independent and permit only one matrix for the entire path from pad to pin.

All of the above formats assume a 1-to-1 mapping between die pads and package pins.

ICM supports frequency-dependent RLGC tables along with S-parameter data, and is not limited to any particular endpoint-to-endpoint mapping scheme.

You can see more information on the history of IBIS package solutions, along with ICM as a new option, at:

	http://www.eda.org/ibis/summits/oct03/mirmak2.pdf

2) At this point, ICM represents the best option for long-term support of complex package structures in a behavioral, standard way.  Today, connections between ICM and IBIS files are left to individual tools to support.  The IBIS Futures Task Group is working weekly on an update to directly link the two specifications, anticipated for IBIS 5.0.

I should note that IBIS 4.1's multilingual extensions (in this case, [Circuit Call] and [External Circuit]) were intended for use with Berkeley SPICE.  Proprietary SPICE variants are not supported by the parser or the specification.

3) Note that, while the [Package] keyword is required under IBIS 4.1, the data can consist of zeroes.  In many cases, model authors who use [Package Model] and/or .pkg data do just that, as [Pin] and [Package] data is overridden when [Package Model] is present.  Also, note that the package information listed in the [Pin] keyword is optional as well; it does not have to be listed at all.

As Weston noted, your proposal for removing the package data under [Pin] and replacing it with [Circuit Call]/[External Circuit] is perfectly valid.  If you were to "zero out" the [Package] keyword, you could include all package details in such a set of External Circuits, modeled in Berkeley SPICE or the AMS languages.  Please consult your EDA tool vendor(s) for information on how IBIS 4.1 is supported within their products.

The IBIS community recognizes that today's package options under IBIS may not be appropriate for all applications.  IBIS 4.1 and ICM are specifically targeted, along with the IBIS 4.2 and IBIS 5.0 drafts in progress, to enable package interconnect solutions for today's needs and for the future.

I hope this helps!

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corporation
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:15 AM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hi experts,

once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...

Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in which format) to generate reasonable package model for IBIS models of our components.

Possible solutions:
==============
1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse Matrix] models can't generate models for multidrop networks (i.e. one pin one the input, more than one pads on output), sloppy support from simulation tools
2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction (and nobody wants to do it manually :-(((()
3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about cross-coupling RLC elements (coupling capacitances, mutual inductances, etc.)

Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" it with IBIS model?

IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End External Circuit], [External Model], [End External Model] [Node Declarations], [End Node Declarations], [Circuit Call] and [End Circuit Call] to support multi-lingual models - nice! 
Main question:
Is there a possibility to replace package description in [Pin] section of [Component] with some [External Circuit] or [External Model] or [Node Declarations]?
So what I want to do is to replace:
[Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
|
A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
.
.
.
T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF

With a call to HSpice netlist

[Circuit Call]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End Circuit Call]

Or 

[External Circuit]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End External Circuit]

Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for something like that at all?

When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided in IBIS specs, I am not sure that it is possible.

| The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of IBIS is shown in the 
| following diagram:
|
|
|   |-- [Component]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
|   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
|   |   | ...
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
|   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [Model]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [External Model]
|   |   |-- [End External Model]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [External Circuit]
|   |-- [End External Circuit]
|   | ...

Has anybody some idea about it?

Many thanks for every answer!

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem
Radovan Vuletiæ

Infineon Technologies AG
MP PD PDE
MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
Am Campeon 1-12
D-85579 Neuebiberg

Phone:		+49 (0)89 234 20108
Fax (PC):	+49 (0)89 234 955 5305 

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:35:22 +0100
From: <Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

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Many thanks to Weston, Lynn and Michael who have answered on my =
question.

Unfortunately, since in IBIS specs 4.1 there is no example for that what =
I need (of course, it is not possible to cover everything) I have =
created a small (very simplified) component IBIS model where I have =
replaced (at least that is what I think) lumped RLC in [Pin] section =
with external HSpice circuit that contains RLC couplings.
Could you please take a look on it (below) and verify that I am thinking =
correctly (especial for the section where is a call external circuit). =
To keep it short as possible I have deleted [Pulldown], [Pullup], =
[GND_Clamp], [Power_Clamp], [Ramp], [Rising Waveform] and [Falling =
Waveform]  - you can find the whole IBIS file (test.ibs) in the =
attachment, as well as HSpice model of package (test_package.net). Btw. =
I have checked the IBIS model spelling checker IBISCHK4 V4.1.1 and there =
are no warnings or errors - but still, I am not sure that I have done =
everything properly ... Somehow I have a feeling that I am missing a =
point. Unfortunately, I can't test it with simulator, because I have =
first to find one that supports IBIS 4.1. - once agin, many thanks for =
any answer.

[IBIS ver]      4.1
[File name]   test.ibs
[File Rev]      1.0
[Date]           Friday, 24 March 2006=20
[Source]       Simulation of a silicon level SPICE model=20
[Notes]         Test model for checking IBIS 4.1 Multi-lingual
                    Model Extensions
[Disclaimer]   Just a test
[Copyright]    (C) Copyright 2006 by Unknown=20
|
|************************************************************************=

|                        Component XYZ
|************************************************************************=

|
[Component]      XXX
[Manufacturer]   Unknown
|
[Package]
|                typ                 min                 max
R_pkg        2.0E-01Ohm  1.0E-01Ohm     3.0E-01Ohm     =20
L_pkg        2.0E-09H       1.0E-09H          3.0E-09H =20
C_pkg        2.0E-13F       1.0E-13F          3.0E-13F =20
|
[Pin]   signal_name  model_name      R_pin           L_pin           =
C_pin
|
A1      VDDQ_A1      POWER           1.0E-01     1.0E-09      1.0E-13
A2      DQ                Data_IO            2.0E-01     2.0E-09      =
2.0E-13
A3      VSSQ_A3      GND                3.0E-01     3.0E-09      3.0E-13
[Circuit Call] TEST_PACKAGE
Port_map   vddq_pad_a1  A1
Port_map      dq_pad_a2  A2
Port_map   vssq_pad_a3  A3
Port_map   vddq_ball_a1  A1
Port_map      dq_ball_a2  A2
Port_map   vssq_ball_a3  A3=20
Port_map   pkg_ref_gnd   A3
[End Circuit Call]
|
|************************************************************************=

|                             Model Data_IO
|************************************************************************=

|
[Model]          Data_IO
Model_type       I/O
Polarity         Non-Inverting
Enable           Active-High
[Pulldown]
[Pullup]
[GND_clamp]
[POWER_clamp]
[Ramp]
[Rising Waveform]
[Rising Waveform]
[Falling Waveform]
[Falling Waveform]
|
| End [Component] XYZ
|
[External Circuit] TEST_PACKAGE
Language SPICE
Corner Typ test_package.net package_test
Ports vddq_ball_a1 dq_ball_a2 vssq_ball_a3 vddq_pad_a1 dq_pad_a2 =
vssq_pad_a3 pkg_ref_gnd
[End External Circuit]
[End]

Regards,
Radovan

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On =
Behalf Of Vuletic Radovan (MP PD PDE)
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:15 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hi experts,

once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...

Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in which =
format) to generate reasonable package model for IBIS models of our =
components.

Possible solutions:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse Matrix] models =
can't generate models for multidrop networks (i.e. one pin one the =
input, more than one pads on output), sloppy support from simulation =
tools
2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction (and nobody =
wants to do it manually :-(((()
3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about cross-coupling =
RLC elements (coupling capacitances, mutual inductances, etc.)

Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" it with =
IBIS model?

IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End External =
Circuit], [External Model], [End External Model] [Node Declarations], =
[End Node Declarations], [Circuit Call] and [End Circuit Call] to =
support multi-lingual models - nice!=20
Main question:
Is there a possibility to replace package description in [Pin] section =
of [Component] with some [External Circuit] or [External Model] or [Node =
Declarations]?
So what I want to do is to replace:
[Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
|
A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
.
.
.
T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF

With a call to HSpice netlist

[Circuit Call]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End Circuit Call]

Or=20

[External Circuit]
Pointer to HSpice model of package
[End External Circuit]

Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for something =
like that at all?

When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided in IBIS =
specs, I am not sure that it is possible.

| The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of IBIS is shown=20
| in the following diagram:
|
|
|   |-- [Component]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
|   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
|   |   | ...
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
|   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [Model]
|   |   | ...
|   |   |-- [External Model]
|   |   |-- [End External Model]
|   |   | ...
|   | ...
|   |-- [External Circuit]
|   |-- [End External Circuit]
|   | ...

Has anybody some idea about it?

Many thanks for every answer!

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen / S po=B9tovanjem Radovan =
Vuleti=E6

Infineon Technologies AG
MP PD PDE
MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
Am Campeon 1-12
D-85579 Neuebiberg

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:00:15 +0100
From: "Koller, Katja" <katja.koller@siemens.com>
Subject: AW: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package

Hello Radovan,

as far as I have looked at the keyword External Model and
packages I found the possibility to use Series Elements. 
But unfortunately they are not yet supported by our simulation tool...

As for your Circuit Call I think you attached a package to the pins
for vcc and gnd, but not on the pin with the IO. Well, yes it is
attached, but in parallel and not as series.
With circuit call I can think at the moment only to include the
spice-package into the hspice-model.

Regards,
Katja


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-ibis-users@eda.org 
> [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] Im Auftrag von 
> Radovan.Vuletic@infineon.com
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 15:35
> An: ibis-users@eda.org
> Betreff: RE: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package
> 
> Many thanks to Weston, Lynn and Michael who have answered on 
> my question.
> 
> Unfortunately, since in IBIS specs 4.1 there is no example 
> for that what I need (of course, it is not possible to cover 
> everything) I have created a small (very simplified) 
> component IBIS model where I have replaced (at least that is 
> what I think) lumped RLC in [Pin] section with external 
> HSpice circuit that contains RLC couplings.
> Could you please take a look on it (below) and verify that I 
> am thinking correctly (especial for the section where is a 
> call external circuit). To keep it short as possible I have 
> deleted [Pulldown], [Pullup], [GND_Clamp], [Power_Clamp], 
> [Ramp], [Rising Waveform] and [Falling Waveform]  - you can 
> find the whole IBIS file (test.ibs) in the attachment, as 
> well as HSpice model of package (test_package.net). Btw. I 
> have checked the IBIS model spelling checker IBISCHK4 V4.1.1 
> and there are no warnings or errors - but still, I am not 
> sure that I have done everything properly ... Somehow I have 
> a feeling that I am missing a point. Unfortunately, I can't 
> test it with simulator, because I have first to find one that 
> supports IBIS 4.1. - once agin, many thanks for any answer.
> 
> [IBIS ver]      4.1
> [File name]   test.ibs
> [File Rev]      1.0
> [Date]           Friday, 24 March 2006 
> [Source]       Simulation of a silicon level SPICE model 
> [Notes]         Test model for checking IBIS 4.1 Multi-lingual
>                     Model Extensions
> [Disclaimer]   Just a test
> [Copyright]    (C) Copyright 2006 by Unknown 
> |
> |*************************************************************
> ***********
> |                        Component XYZ
> |*************************************************************
> ***********
> |
> [Component]      XXX
> [Manufacturer]   Unknown
> |
> [Package]
> |                typ                 min                 max
> R_pkg        2.0E-01Ohm  1.0E-01Ohm     3.0E-01Ohm      
> L_pkg        2.0E-09H       1.0E-09H          3.0E-09H  
> C_pkg        2.0E-13F       1.0E-13F          3.0E-13F  
> |
> [Pin]   signal_name  model_name      R_pin           L_pin    
>        C_pin
> |
> A1      VDDQ_A1      POWER           1.0E-01     1.0E-09      1.0E-13
> A2      DQ                Data_IO            2.0E-01     
> 2.0E-09      2.0E-13
> A3      VSSQ_A3      GND                3.0E-01     3.0E-09   
>    3.0E-13
> [Circuit Call] TEST_PACKAGE
> Port_map   vddq_pad_a1  A1
> Port_map      dq_pad_a2  A2
> Port_map   vssq_pad_a3  A3
> Port_map   vddq_ball_a1  A1
> Port_map      dq_ball_a2  A2
> Port_map   vssq_ball_a3  A3 
> Port_map   pkg_ref_gnd   A3
> [End Circuit Call]
> |
> |*************************************************************
> ***********
> |                             Model Data_IO
> |*************************************************************
> ***********
> |
> [Model]          Data_IO
> Model_type       I/O
> Polarity         Non-Inverting
> Enable           Active-High
> [Pulldown]
> [Pullup]
> [GND_clamp]
> [POWER_clamp]
> [Ramp]
> [Rising Waveform]
> [Rising Waveform]
> [Falling Waveform]
> [Falling Waveform]
> |
> | End [Component] XYZ
> |
> [External Circuit] TEST_PACKAGE
> Language SPICE
> Corner Typ test_package.net package_test
> Ports vddq_ball_a1 dq_ball_a2 vssq_ball_a3 vddq_pad_a1 
> dq_pad_a2 vssq_pad_a3 pkg_ref_gnd
> [End External Circuit]
> [End]
> 
> Regards,
> Radovan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org 
> [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf Of Vuletic 
> Radovan (MP PD PDE)
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: ibis-users@eda.org
> Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to replace RLC package
> 
> Hi experts,
> 
> once again (almost) the same question, but now other way around ...
> 
> Recently I am getting lot of pressure to figure out how (in 
> which format) to generate reasonable package model for IBIS 
> models of our components.
> 
> Possible solutions:
> ==============
> 1.) [Sparse Matrix] - contra: tools that generate [Sparse 
> Matrix] models can't generate models for multidrop networks 
> (i.e. one pin one the input, more than one pads on output), 
> sloppy support from simulation tools
> 2.) ICM - contra: no available tool for automated extraction 
> (and nobody wants to do it manually :-(((()
> 3.) Simple RLC parameters - contra: no information about 
> cross-coupling RLC elements (coupling capacitances, mutual 
> inductances, etc.)
> 
> Workaround: use HSpice model of package, but how to "connect" 
> it with IBIS model?
> 
> IBIS 4.1 provides new keywords [External Circuit], [End 
> External Circuit], [External Model], [End External Model] 
> [Node Declarations], [End Node Declarations], [Circuit Call] 
> and [End Circuit Call] to support multi-lingual models - nice! 
> Main question:
> Is there a possibility to replace package description in 
> [Pin] section of [Component] with some [External Circuit] or 
> [External Model] or [Node Declarations]?
> So what I want to do is to replace:
> [Pin]  signal_name   model_name    R_pin        L_pin       C_pin
> |
> A1     VDD           POWER          210m       4.07nH      0.27pF
> A2     NF            NF_INPUT       168m       2.70nH      0.19pF
> .
> .
> .
> T8     VSS           GND            127m       1.45nH      0.23pF
> T9     VSSQ          GND            151m       2.18nH      0.13pF
> 
> With a call to HSpice netlist
> 
> [Circuit Call]
> Pointer to HSpice model of package
> [End Circuit Call]
> 
> Or 
> 
> [External Circuit]
> Pointer to HSpice model of package
> [End External Circuit]
> 
> Allows IBIS 4.1 something like that - is IBIS 4.1 planed for 
> something like that at all?
> 
> When  I take a look (please see below) on a Figure 1 provided 
> in IBIS specs, I am not sure that it is possible.
> 
> | The placement of these keywords within the hierarchy of 
> IBIS is shown 
> | in the following diagram:
> |
> |
> |   |-- [Component]
> |   |   | ...
> |   |   |-- [Node Declarations]
> |   |   |-- [End Node Declarations]
> |   |   | ...
> |   |   | ...
> |   |   |-- [Circuit Call]
> |   |   |-- [End Circuit Call]
> |   |   | ...
> |   | ...
> |   |-- [Model]
> |   |   | ...
> |   |   |-- [External Model]
> |   |   |-- [End External Model]
> |   |   | ...
> |   | ...
> |   |-- [External Circuit]
> |   |-- [End External Circuit]
> |   | ...
> 
> Has anybody some idea about it?
> 
> Many thanks for every answer!
> 
> Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / S po¹tovanjem Radovan Vuletiæ
> 
> Infineon Technologies AG
> MP PD PDE
> MUC/10.2.236 AP 3
> Am Campeon 1-12
> D-85579 Neuebiberg
> 
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:22:14 -0800
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Subject: [IBIS-Users] Agenda, IBIS Open Forum teleconference for March 31, 2006

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:01:13 -0700
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:09:50 -0500
From: "Ambrish Varma" <akvarma@ncsu.edu>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] S2IBIS3 Ver 1.1 Released

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Hello,

A new bug fix release of S2IBIS3 is available at
http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/s2ibis3/s2ibis3.htm . 

The main fixes are:

 

1) Changes done to make 100 points in the VI tables (the number of points
has been made a function of the sweep step).

2) Remove use of tab characters while printing the ibis file.

3) Change VinL to Vinl and VinH to Vinh.

4) Change: SWEEP_STEP_DEFAULT to 0.01.

5) Change: MAX_FILENAME_BASE_LENGTH value to 20 if you plan to use IBIS spec
3.2

6) Change: WAVE_POINTS_DEFAULT  =100;   (initially this was assigned to 51).

7) Corrected min and max [Ramp] calculation (The simulations for Ramp vary
voltage and temperature across min, typ, and max, but all three use typ
process libraries.)

8) Corrected the I/O_open_drain keyword. Used to show I_O_open_drain in the
generated IBIS file.

9) Fixed pulse generation for ELDO for transient runs (corrected the narrow
pulses for the transient runs)

 

Thanks to Mike LaBonte (Cisco) and Jayasree Nayar (Cypress) for making a lot
of valuable bug fixes themselves.  Also thanks to Dave Lawson (BAE) and Ken
Knowles (BAE) for helping in do some crucial testing for the latest release.

A lot of valuable suggestions were also made by Charles Sun (IDT), Paul
Tuinenga (Mentor), Christophe Robichon (Atmel) and Eric Hsu (Interface
Technologies) to name a few. 

 

The setup procedure for this latest release remains the same.

 

I have also made a new S2IBIS3 FAQ page that has a lot of questions that I
have answered over the months of supporting s2ibis3. Many of these questions
are related to setting up s2ibis3 - and I generally receive the same ones
over and over again - hence the idea of an FAQ.

The FAQ page can be viewed at
http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/faq/S2IBIS3_FAQ.htm 

 

Regards,

Ambrish.

 

- --Ambrish Varma

North Carolina State University

ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285

 


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font-family:Arial'>A new bug fix release of S2IBIS3 is available at <a
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step).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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ibis
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>4) Change: SWEEP_STEP_DEFAULT to =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>5) Change: MAX_FILENAME_BASE_LENGTH value to 20 if =
you plan
to use IBIS spec 3.2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>6) Change: WAVE_POINTS_DEFAULT&nbsp; =
=3D100;&nbsp;&nbsp;
(initially this was assigned to 51).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'>7) Corrected min and max [Ramp] calculation (The =
simulations
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three
use typ process libraries.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'>8) Corrected the I/O_open_drain keyword. Used to show
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(<st1:place
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of valuable bug fixes themselves. &nbsp;Also thanks to Dave Lawson (BAE) =
and Ken
Knowles (BAE) for helping in do some crucial testing for the latest =
release.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>A lot of valuable suggestions were also made by =
Charles Sun
(IDT), Paul Tuinenga (Mentor), Christophe Robichon (Atmel) and Eric Hsu =
(Interface
Technologies) to name a few. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lot of questions
that I have answered over the months of supporting s2ibis3. Many of =
these
questions are related to setting up s2ibis3 &#8211; and I generally =
receive the
same ones over and over again &#8211; hence the idea of an =
FAQ.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>The FAQ page can be viewed at <a
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:14:17 +0200
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Hi to all,

Can I modeling a  Multiplexer in Pass-transistor
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Have you any suggestions ?

many thanks.

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Can I modeling a &nbsp;Multiplexer in <u>Pass-transistor </u><br>
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Have you any suggestions ?<br>
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many thanks.<br>
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:34:41 -0800
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Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] multiplexer

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Fabio,
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You may be able to make a model for that using the
[Series MOSFET] keyword.
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Arpad Muranyi
Intel Corporation
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=20
Hi to all,

Can I modeling a  Multiplexer in Pass-transistor=20
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many thanks.

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:23:04 +0000
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<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>Hi ALL,</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>Below I attach a model for an IO pin. The model pass with warning. I show 1 of the warning message as below:</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>WARNING - Model IO: The [Falling Waveform] <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with [R_fixture]=50 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3.6V<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; has MAX column DC endpoints of&nbsp; 1.98V and&nbsp; 3.53v, but<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; different voltages ( 1.94V and&nbsp; 3.39V),<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a difference of&nbsp; 2.36% and&nbsp; 3.96%, respectively.<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>I study the rising and falling datas, can see that the pin is already stable but is just the voltage level can fall to 0 or reach VCC. Is this a design issue or modeling issue? I belive that is the pullup and pulldown transistor not strong enough. Am I right?</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>PLease comment.</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=RTE>rdgs</DIV>
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|************************************************************************
|                                Model IO
|************************************************************************
|
[Model]          IO
Model_type       I/O
Vinl =   0.4000V
Vinh =   1.3000V
Vmeas =   1.5000V
Cref =  50.0000pF
C_comp           2.0000pF            2.0000pF            2.0000pF
|
|
[Temperature Range]       25.0000             85.0000             -40.0000
[Pullup Reference]        3.3000V             2.7000V             3.6000V
[Pulldown Reference]      0.000V              0.000V              0.000V
[POWER Clamp Reference]   3.3000V             2.7000V             3.6000V
[GND Clamp Reference]     0.000V              0.000V              0.000V
[Pulldown]
| voltage     I(typ)              I(min)              I(max)
|
  -3.3000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -3.1000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.9000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.5000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.3000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.1000       0.000A              0.000A              -1.0000mA
  -1.9000       0.000A              0.000A              -1.0000mA
  -1.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -1.5000       -1.0000mA           -1.0000mA           0.000A
  -1.0000       -2.0000mA           -1.0000mA           -2.0000mA
  -0.9000       -2.2000mA           -2.0000mA           -5.3000mA
  -0.8000       -5.1000mA           -2.2000mA          -10.6670mA
  -0.7000       -9.3500mA           -4.4000mA          -10.1710mA
  -0.6000       -8.8025mA           -7.2900mA           -9.1316mA
  -0.5000       -7.4200mA           -6.7890mA           -7.7418mA
  -0.4000       -5.9456mA           -5.4797mA           -6.2082mA
  -0.3000       -4.4607mA           -4.1134mA           -4.6579mA
  -0.2000       -2.9747mA           -2.7422mA           -3.1057mA
  -0.1000       -1.4876mA           -1.3714mA           -1.5534mA
   0.0000       30.0000nA           30.0000nA           40.0000nA
   0.1000        1.4868mA            1.3692mA            1.5532mA
   0.2000        2.9722mA            2.7351mA            3.1046mA
   0.3000        4.4558mA            4.0974mA            4.6560mA
   0.4000        5.9385mA            5.4552mA            6.2055mA
   0.5000        7.4184mA            6.8085mA            7.7551mA
   0.6000        8.8974mA            8.1583mA            9.3027mA
   0.7000       10.3776mA            9.5037mA           10.8554mA
   0.8000       11.8470mA           10.8427mA           12.3981mA
   0.9000       13.3266mA           12.1763mA           13.9409mA
   1.0000       14.7963mA           13.5105mA           15.4838mA
   1.1000       16.2662mA           14.8354mA           17.0267mA
   1.2000       17.7363mA           16.1511mA           18.5700mA
   1.3000       19.1970mA           17.4675mA           20.1130mA
   1.4000       20.6570mA           18.7748mA           21.6560mA
   1.5000       22.1180mA           20.0830mA           23.1890mA
   1.6000       23.5790mA           21.3720mA           24.7330mA
   1.7000       25.0400mA           22.6620mA           26.2660mA
   1.8000       26.4910mA           23.9440mA           27.7990mA
   1.9000       27.9430mA           25.2170mA           29.3330mA
   2.0000       29.3950mA           26.4810mA           30.8670mA
   2.1000       30.8470mA           27.7360mA           32.4000mA
   2.2000       32.2890mA           28.9730mA           33.9340mA
   2.3000       33.7320mA           30.2130mA           35.4580mA
   2.4000       35.1750mA           31.4340mA           36.9920mA
   2.5000       36.6080mA           32.6480mA           38.5160mA
   2.6000       38.0420mA           33.8540mA           40.0400mA
   2.7000       39.4760mA           35.0350mA           41.5640mA
   2.8000       40.9100mA           36.2090mA           43.0890mA
   2.9000       42.3350mA           37.3580mA           44.6130mA
   3.0000       43.7500mA           38.4930mA           46.1380mA
   3.1000       45.1750mA           39.6120mA           47.6520mA
   3.2000       46.5910mA           40.6910mA           49.1670mA
   3.3000       47.9970mA           41.4180mA           50.6820mA
   3.4000       52.0600mA           80.9100mA           55.1200mA
   3.5000       53.5300mA            0.3383A            56.7200mA
   3.6000       55.0100mA            0.8398A            58.3200mA
   3.7000       56.4800mA            1.4380A            59.9100mA
   3.8000       57.9400mA            2.0780A            61.5000mA
   3.9000       59.4400mA            2.7400A            63.1000mA
   4.0000       61.8500mA            3.4150A            64.6800mA
   4.1000       96.4100mA            4.0980A            66.2700mA
   4.2000        0.3950A             4.7870A            67.8900mA
   4.3000        0.9384A             5.4810A            69.7400mA
   4.5000        2.2190A             6.8800A             0.1027A
   4.7000        3.5780A             8.2870A             1.0380A
   4.9000        4.9650A             9.7010A             2.3620A
   5.1000        6.3680A            11.1200A             3.7430A
   5.3000        7.7790A            12.5400A             5.1450A
   5.5000        9.1970A            13.9600A             6.5580A
   5.7000       10.6200A            15.3900A             7.9790A
   5.9000       12.0400A            16.8200A             9.4040A
   6.1000       13.4700A            18.2500A            10.8300A
   6.6000       17.0500A            21.8300A            14.4100A
|
[Pullup]
| voltage     I(typ)              I(min)              I(max)
|
  -3.3000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -3.1000       10.0000mA           0.000A              0.000A
  -2.9000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.7000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.5000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.3000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -2.1000        1.0000mA           0.000A               1.0000mA
  -1.9000       0.000A              0.000A              0.000A
  -1.7000        1.0000mA           0.000A              0.000A
  -1.5000       0.000A               1.0000mA            1.0000mA
  -1.0000        2.8000mA            2.0000mA            4.9000mA
  -0.9000        5.6000mA            2.9000mA           14.4200mA
  -0.8000       12.9100mA            5.5000mA           17.0130mA
  -0.7000       14.2850mA           10.3900mA           15.4890mA
  -0.6000       12.4450mA           10.6880mA           13.5240mA
  -0.5000       10.3920mA            8.9910mA           11.3020mA
  -0.4000        8.3060mA            7.1860mA            9.0480mA
  -0.3000        6.2270mA            5.3770mA            6.7830mA
  -0.2000        4.1470mA            3.5750mA            4.5180mA
  -0.1000        2.0680mA            1.7810mA            2.2540mA
   0.0000       -7.0000uA           -4.0000uA           -9.0000uA
   0.1000        0.4206mA           -0.2005mA            0.7367mA
   0.2000       -1.7180mA           -2.0010mA           -1.6060mA
   0.3000       -3.8500mA           -3.7880mA           -3.9450mA
   0.4000       -5.9750mA           -5.5610mA           -6.2800mA
   0.5000       -8.0920mA           -7.3190mA           -8.6100mA
   0.6000      -10.2000mA           -9.0600mA          -10.9400mA
   0.7000      -12.3000mA          -10.7800mA          -13.2600mA
   0.8000      -14.4000mA          -12.4900mA          -15.5800mA
   0.9000      -16.4800mA          -14.1700mA          -17.8900mA
   1.0000      -18.5600mA          -15.8300mA          -20.2000mA
   1.1000      -20.6300mA          -17.4700mA          -22.5000mA
   1.2000      -22.6900mA          -19.0800mA          -24.8000mA
   1.3000      -24.7400mA          -20.6700mA          -27.0900mA
   1.4000      -26.7800mA          -22.2200mA          -29.3800mA
   1.5000      -28.8000mA          -23.7400mA          -31.6600mA
   1.6000      -30.8200mA          -25.2300mA          -33.9400mA
   1.7000      -32.8300mA          -26.6800mA          -36.2100mA
   1.8000      -34.8200mA          -28.0800mA          -38.4800mA
   1.9000      -36.8000mA          -29.4400mA          -40.7300mA
   2.0000      -38.7700mA          -30.7500mA          -42.9900mA
   2.1000      -40.7300mA          -32.0000mA          -45.2400mA
   2.2000      -42.6700mA          -33.1800mA          -47.4800mA
   2.3000      -44.5900mA          -34.2800mA          -49.7100mA
   2.4000      -46.5000mA          -35.3100mA          -51.9400mA
   2.5000      -48.3900mA          -36.2400mA          -54.1600mA
   2.6000      -50.2700mA          -37.0700mA          -56.3700mA
   2.7000      -52.1300mA          -37.8100mA          -58.5700mA
   2.8000      -53.9700mA          -38.4600mA          -60.7700mA
   2.9000      -55.7800mA          -39.0400mA          -62.9600mA
   3.0000      -57.5800mA          -39.5600mA          -65.1400mA
   3.1000      -59.3500mA          -40.0600mA          -67.3100mA
   3.2000      -61.0900mA          -41.1300mA          -69.4800mA
   3.3000      -62.8100mA          -56.3900mA          -71.6300mA
   3.4000      -64.5000mA           -0.2251A           -73.7700mA
   3.5000      -66.1600mA           -0.6732A           -75.9100mA
   3.6000      -67.7900mA           -1.2520A           -78.0300mA
   3.7000      -69.3800mA           -1.8830A           -80.1400mA
   3.8000      -70.9300mA           -2.5390A           -82.2400mA
   3.9000      -72.6600mA           -3.2100A           -84.3300mA
   4.0000      -81.4600mA           -3.8910A           -86.4100mA
   4.1000       -0.2321A            -4.5790A           -88.4900mA
   4.2000       -0.6992A            -5.2720A           -90.6700mA
   4.3000       -1.2980A            -5.9690A           -93.1800mA
   4.5000       -2.6110A            -7.3710A            -0.2205A
   4.7000       -3.9800A            -8.7810A            -1.3330A
   4.9000       -5.3730A           -10.1900A            -2.6750A
   5.1000       -6.7780A           -11.6100A            -4.0610A
   5.3000       -8.1920A           -13.0400A            -5.4660A
   5.5000       -9.6110A           -14.4600A            -6.8820A
   5.7000      -11.0300A           -15.8900A            -8.3030A
   5.9000      -12.4600A           -17.3200A            -9.7290A
   6.1000      -13.8900A           -18.7500A           -11.1500A
   6.6000      -17.4700A           -22.3400A           -14.7400A
|
[GND_clamp]
| voltage     I(typ)              I(min)              I(max)
|
  -3.3000      -17.4700A           -18.0300A           -16.8900A
  -3.2000      -16.7500A           -17.3200A           -16.1700A
  -3.1000      -16.0300A           -16.6000A           -15.4500A
  -3.0000      -15.3200A           -15.8900A           -14.7400A
  -2.9000      -14.6000A           -15.1700A           -14.0200A
  -2.8000      -13.8800A           -14.4600A           -13.3000A
  -2.7000      -13.1700A           -13.7500A           -12.5800A
  -2.6000      -12.4600A           -13.0300A           -11.8700A
  -2.5000      -11.7400A           -12.3200A           -11.1500A
  -2.4000      -11.0300A           -11.6100A           -10.4400A
  -2.3000      -10.3200A           -10.9000A            -9.7280A
  -2.2000       -9.6100A           -10.1900A            -9.0140A
  -2.1000       -8.8990A            -9.4870A            -8.3010A
  -2.0000       -8.1900A            -8.7800A            -7.5900A
  -1.9000       -7.4820A            -8.0740A            -6.8790A
  -1.8000       -6.7760A            -7.3690A            -6.1710A
  -1.7000       -6.0720A            -6.6670A            -5.4640A
  -1.6000       -5.3700A            -5.9670A            -4.7590A
  -1.5000       -4.6710A            -5.2700A            -4.0580A
  -1.4000       -3.9770A            -4.5770A            -3.3610A
  -1.3000       -3.2880A            -3.8890A            -2.6700A
  -1.2000       -2.6060A            -3.2080A            -1.9880A
  -1.1000       -1.9370A            -2.5360A            -1.3230A
  -1.0000       -1.2880A            -1.8780A            -0.6930A
  -0.9000       -0.6826A            -1.2450A            -0.1726A
  -0.8000       -0.1937A            -0.6627A            -5.8730mA
  -0.7000      -11.5200mA           -0.2033A            -1.3490mA
  -0.6000       -0.8365mA          -18.8000mA           -0.7234mA
  -0.5000       -0.4430mA           -1.1760mA           -0.4752mA
  -0.4000       -0.3454mA           -0.3323mA           -0.3698mA
  -0.3000       -0.2623mA           -0.2286mA           -0.2811mA
  -0.2000       -0.1803mA           -0.1558mA           -0.1933mA
  -0.1000      -98.3800uA          -84.6300uA           -0.1056mA
   0.0000      -16.5400uA          -13.7300uA          -17.9000uA
   0.1000       65.2000uA           56.8200uA           69.7900uA
   0.2000        0.1468mA            0.1269mA            0.1574mA
   0.3000        0.2282mA            0.1966mA            0.2450mA
   0.4000        0.3095mA            0.2658mA            0.3325mA
   0.5000        0.3906mA            0.3345mA            0.4199mA
   0.6000        0.4716mA            0.4027mA            0.5073mA
   0.7000        0.5524mA            0.4703mA            0.5946mA
   0.8000        0.6330mA            0.5373mA            0.6819mA
   0.9000        0.7134mA            0.6037mA            0.7691mA
   1.0000        0.7937mA            0.6695mA            0.8562mA
   1.1000        0.8738mA            0.7346mA            0.9433mA
   1.2000        0.9537mA            0.7989mA            1.0300mA
   1.3000        1.0330mA            0.8625mA            1.1170mA
   1.4000        1.1130mA            0.9252mA            1.2040mA
   1.5000        1.1920mA            0.9870mA            1.2910mA
   1.6000        1.2710mA            1.0480mA            1.3770mA
   1.7000        1.3500mA            1.1080mA            1.4640mA
   1.8000        1.4290mA            1.1660mA            1.5510mA
   1.9000        1.5070mA            1.2230mA            1.6370mA
   2.0000        1.5850mA            1.2790mA            1.7230mA
   2.1000        1.6630mA            1.3340mA            1.8100mA
   2.2000        1.7410mA            1.3870mA            1.8960mA
   2.3000        1.8180mA            1.4370mA            1.9820mA
   2.4000        1.8950mA            1.4860mA            2.0680mA
   2.5000        1.9720mA            1.5320mA            2.1540mA
   2.6000        2.0480mA            1.5760mA            2.2400mA
   2.7000        2.1240mA            1.6150mA            2.3260mA
   2.8000        2.2000mA            1.6510mA            2.4110mA
   2.9000        2.2750mA            1.6820mA            2.4970mA
   3.0000        2.3500mA            1.7070mA            2.5820mA
   3.1000        2.4250mA            1.7280mA            2.6680mA
   3.2000        2.4990mA            1.8190mA            2.7530mA
   3.3000        2.5730mA            3.7820mA            2.8380mA
|
[POWER_clamp]
| voltage     I(typ)              I(min)              I(max)
|
  -3.3000       17.0500A            17.5300A            16.5600A
  -3.2000       16.3300A            16.8200A            15.8400A
  -3.1000       15.6100A            16.1000A            15.1300A
  -3.0000       14.9000A            15.3900A            14.4100A
  -2.9000       14.1800A            14.6800A            13.6900A
  -2.8000       13.4700A            13.9600A            12.9700A
  -2.7000       12.7500A            13.2500A            12.2600A
  -2.6000       12.0400A            12.5400A            11.5400A
  -2.5000       11.3300A            11.8300A            10.8300A
  -2.4000       10.6100A            11.1100A            10.1100A
  -2.3000        9.9070A            10.4000A             9.4030A
  -2.2000        9.1960A             9.7000A             8.6900A
  -2.1000        8.4860A             8.9920A             7.9770A
  -2.0000        7.7780A             8.2860A             7.2660A
  -1.9000        7.0710A             7.5810A             6.5570A
  -1.8000        6.3660A             6.8780A             5.8490A
  -1.7000        5.6630A             6.1780A             5.1430A
  -1.6000        4.9630A             5.4800A             4.4400A
  -1.5000        4.2670A             4.7850A             3.7400A
  -1.4000        3.5750A             4.0960A             3.0450A
  -1.3000        2.8900A             3.4120A             2.3580A
  -1.2000        2.2150A             2.7370A             1.6820A
  -1.1000        1.5560A             2.0740A             1.0300A
  -1.0000        0.9282A             1.4320A             0.4330A
  -0.9000        0.3742A             0.8303A            47.1500mA
  -0.8000       47.4400mA            0.3199A             5.1870mA
  -0.7000        4.3950mA           44.5700mA            4.0310mA
  -0.6000        3.0550mA            3.7820mA            3.6460mA
  -0.5000        2.9380mA            1.8190mA            3.5180mA
  -0.4000        2.8640mA            1.7280mA            3.4320mA
  -0.3000        2.7920mA            1.7070mA            3.3470mA
  -0.2000        2.7200mA            1.6820mA            3.2630mA
  -0.1000        2.6470mA            1.6510mA            3.1780mA
   0.0000        2.5730mA            1.6150mA            3.0930mA
|
[Ramp]
| variable       typ                 min                 max
dV/dt_r          0.9717/2.1253n      0.7156/2.8088n      1.1145/1.8162n
dV/dt_f          0.8280/2.2698n      0.6420/2.5421n      0.9276/2.2143n
R_load = 50.0000
|
[Rising Waveform]
R_fixture = 50.0000
V_fixture = 0.000
V_fixture_min = 0.000
V_fixture_max = 0.000
| time           V(typ)              V(min)              V(max)
|
  0.000S          0.4624mV            0.3981mV            0.4904mV
   0.5000nS       0.4072mV            0.3356mV            0.3906mV
   1.0000nS      -1.2173mV            0.1929mV           10.7325mV
   1.5000nS      68.9603mV           -2.9597mV            0.4445V
   2.0000nS       0.3909V             1.6130mV            0.9596V
   2.5000nS       0.7023V            45.2550mV            1.2260V
   3.0000nS       0.9027V             0.1094V             1.3970V
   3.5000nS       1.1063V             0.2475V             1.5390V
   4.0000nS       1.2630V             0.4012V             1.6360V
   4.5000nS       1.3420V             0.5217V             1.6960V
   5.0000nS       1.4413V             0.7013V             1.7557V
   5.5000nS       1.4960V             0.8206V             1.7880V
   6.0000nS       1.5313V             0.9097V             1.8123V
   6.5000nS       1.5600V             0.9837V             1.8240V
   7.0000nS       1.5740V             1.0225V             1.8320V
   7.5000nS       1.5897V             1.0747V             1.8437V
   8.0000nS       1.6015V             1.1115V             1.8470V
   8.5000nS       1.6050V             1.1280V             1.8520V
   9.0000nS       1.6090V             1.1410V             1.8535V
   9.5000nS       1.6130V             1.1567V             1.8540V
  10.0000nS       1.6150V             1.1660V             1.8560V
  10.5000nS       1.6165V             1.1715V             1.8565V
  11.0000nS       1.6180V             1.1770V             1.8565V
  11.5000nS       1.6183V             1.1817V             1.8570V
  12.0000nS       1.6190V             1.1850V             1.8570V
  12.5000nS       1.6195V             1.1865V             1.8570V
  13.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1880V             1.8580V
  13.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1890V             1.8570V
  14.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1900V             1.8575V
  14.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1907V             1.8580V
  15.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1910V             1.8580V
  15.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1917V             1.8580V
  16.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  16.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  17.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  17.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  18.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  18.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  19.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  19.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
  20.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1923V             1.8580V
  20.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  21.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  21.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  22.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  22.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  23.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  23.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  24.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  24.5000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
  25.0000nS       1.6200V             1.1930V             1.8580V
|
[Rising Waveform]
R_fixture = 50.0000
V_fixture = 3.3000
V_fixture_min = 2.7000
V_fixture_max = 3.6000
| time           V(typ)              V(min)              V(max)
|
  0.000S          1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
   0.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
   1.0000nS       1.8820V             1.5880V             2.0885V
   1.5000nS       2.1933V             1.6833V             2.6067V
   2.0000nS       2.5330V             1.8790V             2.9450V
   2.5000nS       2.7540V             2.0155V             3.1450V
   3.0000nS       2.8610V             2.1620V             3.2350V
   3.5000nS       2.9760V             2.2697V             3.3260V
   4.0000nS       3.0600V             2.3770V             3.4010V
   4.5000nS       3.0995V             2.4435V             3.4260V
   5.0000nS       3.1513V             2.5083V             3.4673V
   5.5000nS       3.1780V             2.5560V             3.4860V
   6.0000nS       3.1963V             2.5800V             3.4997V
   6.5000nS       3.2090V             2.6050V             3.5100V
   7.0000nS       3.2165V             2.6155V             3.5135V
   7.5000nS       3.2237V             2.6290V             3.5203V
   8.0000nS       3.2290V             2.6385V             3.5230V
   8.5000nS       3.2320V             2.6420V             3.5240V
   9.0000nS       3.2325V             2.6470V             3.5265V
   9.5000nS       3.2347V             2.6497V             3.5270V
  10.0000nS       3.2360V             2.6520V             3.5270V
  10.5000nS       3.2360V             2.6535V             3.5280V
  11.0000nS       3.2370V             2.6540V             3.5280V
  11.5000nS       3.2370V             2.6557V             3.5283V
  12.0000nS       3.2370V             2.6560V             3.5290V
  12.5000nS       3.2375V             2.6560V             3.5290V
  13.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  13.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  14.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  14.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  15.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  15.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  16.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  16.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  17.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  17.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  18.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  18.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6577V             3.5290V
  19.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  19.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  20.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6577V             3.5290V
  20.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  21.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  21.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  22.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  22.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
  23.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  23.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6575V             3.5290V
  24.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6573V             3.5290V
  24.5000nS       3.2380V             2.6580V             3.5290V
  25.0000nS       3.2380V             2.6575V             3.5290V
|
[Falling Waveform]
R_fixture = 50.0000
V_fixture = 0.000
V_fixture_min = 0.000
V_fixture_max = 0.000
| time           V(typ)              V(min)              V(max)
|
  0.000S          1.6200V             1.1920V             1.8580V
   0.5000nS       1.6185V             1.1910V             1.8545V
   1.0000nS       1.4900V             1.1360V             1.6050V
   1.5000nS       1.0797V             0.9249V             1.0721V
   2.0000nS       0.7321V             0.7144V             0.7158V
   2.5000nS       0.5381V             0.5319V             0.5207V
   3.0000nS       0.4294V             0.4307V             0.4177V
   3.5000nS       0.3112V             0.3255V             0.2968V
   4.0000nS       0.2261V             0.2364V             0.2229V
   4.5000nS       0.1828V             0.1879V             0.1727V
   5.0000nS       0.1216V             0.1335V             0.1155V
   5.5000nS      92.0100mV           92.8200mV           84.4600mV
   6.0000nS      65.2300mV           74.1767mV           60.9133mV
   6.5000nS      49.5700mV           51.0600mV           45.8500mV
   7.0000nS      38.0050mV           42.5750mV           34.1400mV
   7.5000nS      26.2467mV           30.2867mV           24.4733mV
   8.0000nS      17.0900mV           20.2550mV           15.3500mV
   8.5000nS      14.1200mV           17.5600mV           13.2000mV
   9.0000nS      11.3200mV           12.7450mV            9.8600mV
   9.5000nS       7.5360mV            9.2683mV            6.8077mV
  10.0000nS       5.6380mV            6.2890mV            4.8380mV
  10.5000nS       4.2080mV            5.3505mV            3.6330mV
  11.0000nS       3.3595mV            4.0370mV            2.9660mV
  11.5000nS       2.1517mV            2.7970mV            1.8570mV
  12.0000nS       1.6870mV            1.9670mV            1.4330mV
  12.5000nS       1.2345mV            1.5530mV            1.0281mV
  13.0000nS       0.8994mV            1.1314mV            0.7642mV
  13.5000nS       0.5948mV            0.8556mV            0.4849mV
  14.0000nS       0.4960mV            0.7302mV            0.4528mV
  14.5000nS       0.3453mV            0.4577mV            0.2767mV
  15.0000nS       0.2475mV            0.3616mV            0.2355mV
  15.5000nS       0.1931mV            0.2484mV            0.1477mV
  16.0000nS       0.1229mV            0.2217mV            0.1232mV
  16.5000nS       0.1167mV            0.1324mV           86.1100uV
  17.0000nS      69.3567uV            0.1160mV           62.5800uV
  17.5000nS      59.2600uV           58.6600uV           42.8400uV
  18.0000nS      44.8200uV           65.5000uV           32.2300uV
  18.5000nS      29.6433uV           43.0067uV           24.6633uV
  19.0000nS      22.3300uV           32.1800uV           15.6400uV
  19.5000nS      14.0950uV           31.7950uV           16.0650uV
  20.0000nS      13.3367uV           15.8800uV            8.7417uV
  20.5000nS       5.6030uV           17.6300uV            8.7210uV
  21.0000nS       7.0420uV            8.2383uV            5.2510uV
  21.5000nS       3.5185uV            9.8560uV            4.1790uV
  22.0000nS       2.7440uV            4.9050uV            3.8830uV
  22.5000nS       3.0777uV            3.7823uV            2.1253uV
  23.0000nS       0.9945uV            4.5290uV            2.7840uV
  23.5000nS       1.7770uV            1.6669uV            1.5290uV
  24.0000nS       0.8292uV            2.3268uV            1.3030uV
  24.5000nS       0.9398uV            1.1490uV            1.2140uV
  25.0000nS       0.9700uV            0.2963uV            0.6008uV
|
[Falling Waveform]
R_fixture = 50.0000
V_fixture = 3.3000
V_fixture_min = 2.7000
V_fixture_max = 3.6000
| time           V(typ)              V(min)              V(max)
|
  0.000S          3.2380V             2.6570V             3.5290V
   0.5000nS       3.2385V             2.6575V             3.5295V
   1.0000nS       3.2405V             2.6590V             3.5025V
   1.5000nS       3.0677V             2.6570V             3.0460V
   2.0000nS       2.6910V             2.6000V             2.7140V
   2.5000nS       2.4875V             2.4585V             2.5085V
   3.0000nS       2.3590V             2.3230V             2.3750V
   3.5000nS       2.2150V             2.1547V             2.2913V
   4.0000nS       2.1260V             2.0150V             2.1970V
   4.5000nS       2.0745V             1.9325V             2.1425V
   5.0000nS       1.9970V             1.8293V             2.1040V
   5.5000nS       1.9660V             1.7670V             2.0610V
   6.0000nS       1.9340V             1.7217V             2.0430V
   6.5000nS       1.9110V             1.6870V             2.0300V
   7.0000nS       1.9055V             1.6680V             2.0140V
   7.5000nS       1.8867V             1.6427V             2.0077V
   8.0000nS       1.8795V             1.6260V             1.9965V
   8.5000nS       1.8760V             1.6180V             1.9930V
   9.0000nS       1.8695V             1.6115V             1.9935V
   9.5000nS       1.8670V             1.6043V             1.9890V
  10.0000nS       1.8650V             1.6000V             1.9860V
  10.5000nS       1.8615V             1.5970V             1.9885V
  11.0000nS       1.8620V             1.5945V             1.9855V
  11.5000nS       1.8610V             1.5920V             1.9847V
  12.0000nS       1.8590V             1.5910V             1.9850V
  12.5000nS       1.8600V             1.5900V             1.9835V
  13.0000nS       1.8590V             1.5890V             1.9837V
  13.5000nS       1.8590V             1.5880V             1.9840V
  14.0000nS       1.8595V             1.5880V             1.9825V
  14.5000nS       1.8583V             1.5877V             1.9837V
  15.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  15.5000nS       1.8587V             1.5870V             1.9827V
  16.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  16.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  17.0000nS       1.8583V             1.5870V             1.9827V
  17.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  18.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  18.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  19.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  19.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  20.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  20.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  21.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  21.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  22.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  22.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  23.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  23.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  24.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  24.5000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
  25.0000nS       1.8580V             1.5870V             1.9830V
|
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:40:19 +0530
From: <seshadri.kirankumar@wipro.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] How to include Differential and Normal IO's of same pins 

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Hi Experts,

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          I have a doubt regarding IBIS model of incorporating
Differential and Non-differential Buffers in the same IBIS file

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As an Example there are 2 pins and corresponding LVDS definition is as
follows

[Pin]     signal_name      model_name              R_pin        L_pin
C_pin

|

Pin1         CLKP             LVDS_1

Pin2         CLKN             LVDS_2

|

[Diff_pin]       inv_pin         vdiff       tdelay_typ     tdelay_min
tdelay_max

|

Pin1             Pin2            200mV      NA              NA
NA

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For  the same 2 above pins there exist normal(Non differential) IO's
too,  my doubt is that will it be possible to include both Differential
and Normal IO's with any IBIS mechanism like how a {Model Selector]
chooses different models for the same pin? If so please let me know on
how?

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    Suppose same if I do using [Model Selector] then what will be the
impact of [Diff_pin] section on this pins when I am using only Normal
models, this prototype is as listed below

[Pin]     signal_name      model_name              R_pin        L_pin
C_pin

|

Pin1         CLKP             MODEL_1

Pin2         CLKN             MODEL_2

|

[Diff_pin]       inv_pin         vdiff       tdelay_typ     tdelay_min
tdelay_max

|

Pin1             Pin2            200mV      NA              NA
NA

|

[Model Selector]     MODEL_1

LVDS_1                     lvds model=0D

BUFFER_1                 normal output buffer

|

[Model Selector]     MODEL_2

LVDS_2                     lvds model=0D

BUFFER_2                 normal output buffer

|

What my opinion is option 2 is not proper as there is still
valid(uncommented) [Diff_pin]  section exist for the same pins while
using normal IO's mode, please correct me if my concept is wrong

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Any Help on this is appreciable=0D

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Thanks & Best Regards

Kiran Kumar

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi Experts,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I
have a doubt regarding IBIS model of incorporating Differential and=
 Non-differential
Buffers in the same IBIS file<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As an Example there are 2 pins and corresponding LVDS
definition is as follows<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Pin]&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
signal_name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
model_name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
R_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
L_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 C_pin<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin1&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLKP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LVDS_1<o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin2&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLKN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LVDS_2<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Diff_p=
in]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
inv_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 vdiff&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
tdelay_typ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tdelay_min&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
tdelay_max<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin1&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Pin2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
200mV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
NA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
NA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
NA<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>For &nbsp;the same 2 above pins there exist normal(Non
differential) IO&#8217;s too,&nbsp; my doubt is that will it be possible to
include both Differential and Normal IO&#8217;s with any IBIS mechanism=
 like
how a {Model Selector] chooses different models for the same pin? If so=
 please
let me know on how?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Suppose same if I do using [Model
Selector] then what will be the impact of [Diff_pin] section on this pins=
 when I
am using only <st1:place w:st=3D"on">Normal</st1:place> models, this=
 prototype is
as listed below<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Pin]&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
signal_name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
model_name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
R_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
L_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 C_pin<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin1&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLKP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MODEL_1<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin2&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CLKN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;MODEL_2<o:p></o:p></span><=
/font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Diff_p=
in]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
inv_pin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 vdiff&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
tdelay_typ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tdelay_min&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
tdelay_max<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Pin1&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Pin2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
200mV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
NA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;
NA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;
NA<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Model
Selector]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MODEL_1<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>LVDS_1&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
lvds model <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>BUFFER_=
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
normal output buffer<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>[Model
Selector]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; MODEL_2<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>LVDS_2&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
lvds model <o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>BUFFER_=
2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
normal output buffer<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:bold'>|<o:p><=
/o:p></span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What my opinion is option 2 is not proper as there is=
 still
valid(uncommented) [Diff_pin]&nbsp; section exist for the same pins while=
 using
normal IO&#8217;s mode, please correct me if my concept is=
 wrong<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any Help on this is appreciable=
 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks &amp; Best Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Kiran Kumar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
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