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ibis-users          Thursday, August 3 2006          Volume 01 : Number 084




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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:17:19 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS Reflector Policy Reminder

All,

Just a as reminder, the IBIS e-mails reflectors are for discussion of
IBIS technical issues plus administrative topics related to the standard
itself.  The reflectors should not be used for discussion of specific
vendors or their products.  

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corp.
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum

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Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:56:47 +0900
From: "Xuefeng Chen" <Xuefeng.Chen@synopsys.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IV curves do not pass through origin

Hi Andy,
  Thank you!
  

Regards
Xuefeng


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org on behalf of Andrew Ingraham
Sent: Tue 5/23/2006 9:57 PM
To: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] IV curves do not pass through origin
 
>   I wonder If it's proper that IV curves do not cross origin. Where is
> the I or V source?

It's fairly easy for the curves to not cross the origin.  A simple case of
this, is when the output buffer has resistors (or weak FETs that are always
on) between the output pin and power and ground.  I don't know why those
would be used in an output buffer that can't be tri-stated.

Regards,
Andy

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Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:20 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] First Call for Papers - IBIS Summit at DAC 2006

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
                       IBIS SUMMIT
                     FIRST CALL FOR
               PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

              I B I S   S U M M I T   M E E T I N G

Time/Date:  Tuesday July 25, 2006,  8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

Location:   Hotel TBD near Moscone Center
               San Francisco, CA

Content:    Presentations and Discussions

Purpose:    Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information
               and Ideas.

Sponsors:   IBIS Open Forum

            If your company would be interested in sponsoring this
            event, please contact Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com>. 
	   Sponsorship is available for the room, lunch, and coffee
breaks.

DAC:      July 24 - 28, 2006
            Moscone Center
            San Francisco, California

            FREE Exhibit Pass is available on Monday only.
	    See <http://www.dac.com/> for more information.


BACKGROUND

    The Design Automation Conference (DAC) is the premier Electronic
    Design Automation (EDA) and silicon solution event. DAC features
    over 50 technical sessions covering the latest in design
    methodologies and EDA tool developments in addition to an exhibit
    floor, with combined booth and demo suites, showcasing over 200
    of the leading EDA, silicon and IP providers.   Topics of current
    interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DAC.

    This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting.
    Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an
    electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued.
    Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least
    two weeks prior to the meeting.

    The annual election of officers will be held.  Nominations can
    be sent to Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com> or made at the meeting.


CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

   People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development,
   and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the
   Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with
   the information below:

   Name:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

Send to:

    Syed Huq at Cisco Systems, Inc (shuq@cisco.com)


CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS

   We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS
   experiences or issues.

   Format of Presentation:  LCD Projection with Windows laptop.
   Time: 15-30 Minutes
   Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the
         presentations can be archived and also made available to
         non-attendees.  Formats can be Power Point and/or Acrobat.
         Electronic presentations should be made available by
         July 20, 2006 for uploading and copying to the presentation
         laptop.

If you plan a presentation, please supply

   Title:
   Presenter:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

   Estimate Time:


Send this to:

   Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)


AGENDA

   The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a
   luncheon (which will be provided).  This will be developed as
   presentation proposals are received.


LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS

   See <http://www.dac.com/43rd/index.html> for travel directions,
   hotels and other information.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:59:46 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Second call for Papers - IBIS Summit at DAC 2006 (July25th)

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
                       IBIS SUMMIT
                     SECOND CALL FOR
               PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

              I B I S   S U M M I T   M E E T I N G

Time/Date:  Tuesday July 25, 2006,  8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

Location:   Hotel TBD near Moscone Center
            San Francisco, CA

Content:    Presentations and Discussions

Purpose:    Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information
            and Ideas

Sponsors:   IBIS Open Forum

            If your company would be interested in sponsoring this
            event, please contact Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com>. 
	    Sponsorship is available for the room, lunch, and coffee
            breaks.
 
DAC:        July 24 - 28, 2006
            Moscone Center
            San Francisco, California

            FREE Exhibit Pass is available on Monday only.
	    See <http://www.dac.com/> for more information.


BACKGROUND

   The Design Automation Conference (DAC) is the premier Electronic
   Design Automation (EDA) and silicon solution event. DAC features
   over 50 technical sessions covering the latest in design
   methodologies and EDA tool developments in addition to an exhibit
   floor, with combined booth and demo suites, showcasing over 200
   of the leading EDA, silicon and IP providers.   Topics of current
   interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DAC.

   This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting.
   Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an
   electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued.
   Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least
   two weeks prior to the meeting.


ELECTION OF OFFICERS

   The annual election of officers will be held.  Nominations can
   be sent to Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com> or made at the meeting for
   these positions:

   Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Librarian, Webmaster, and Postmaster


CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

   People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development,
   and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the
   Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with
   the information below:

   Name:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

Send to:

   Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)


CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS

   We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS
   experiences or issues.

   Format of Presentation:  LCD Projection with Windows laptop.
   Time: 15-30 Minutes
   Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the
         presentations can be archived and also made available to
         non-attendees.  Formats can be Power Point and/or Acrobat.
         Electronic presentations should be made available by
         July 20, 2006 for uploading and copying to the presentation
         laptop.

If you plan a presentation, please supply

   Title:
   Presenter:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

   Estimate Time:


Send this to:

   Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)


AGENDA

   The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a
   luncheon (which will be provided).  This will be developed as
   presentation proposals are received.

   The following presentations or topics are tentatively planned:

   IBIS Roadmap
   Quite Line Experiments and BIRD97/BIRD98
   Serdes Introduction and Options for Macro-Modeling
   Frequency Dependent Modeling Topic
   Possibly Standardized Encryption
   Possibly BIRD95/Power Delivery Topic

   Election of IBIS Officers


LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS

   See <http://www.dac.com/43rd/index.html> for travel directions,
   hotels and other information.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:51 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Important Changes to IBIS Reflectors

As some of you may have seen, the eda.org domain has been "hijacked" by
a third party outside the United States.  At this point, attempts to
recover the domain are continuing but access to the domain is
intermittent at best.

To enable reliable communication, the system operators have created a
new domain, eda-stds.org, for use as a web and mailing list home.  As a
result, the addresses for one of the IBIS websites and both reflectors
have changed.

To access the website, visit http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ (the official
site at http://www.eigroup.org/ibis is unaffected).  You may also visit
the aliases http://www.verilog.org/ibis/ or http://www.vhdl.org/ibis.
Most website links have already been migrated to the new addresses.

For the reflectors, the IBIS reflector may now be accessed at
ibis@eda-stds.org.  Similarly, the IBIS Users reflector is available for
posting through ibis-users@eda-stds.org.  The verilog.org and vhdl.org
aliases should also work.  Please use the new addresses when sending
mail to the lists.

Thank you for your patience.

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corp.
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum



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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:51 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Important Changes to IBIS Reflectors

As some of you may have seen, the eda.org domain has been "hijacked" by
a third party outside the United States.  At this point, attempts to
recover the domain are continuing but access to the domain is
intermittent at best.

To enable reliable communication, the system operators have created a
new domain, eda-stds.org, for use as a web and mailing list home.  As a
result, the addresses for one of the IBIS websites and both reflectors
have changed.

To access the website, visit http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ (the official
site at http://www.eigroup.org/ibis is unaffected).  You may also visit
the aliases http://www.verilog.org/ibis/ or http://www.vhdl.org/ibis.
Most website links have already been migrated to the new addresses.

For the reflectors, the IBIS reflector may now be accessed at
ibis@eda-stds.org.  Similarly, the IBIS Users reflector is available for
posting through ibis-users@eda-stds.org.  The verilog.org and vhdl.org
aliases should also work.  Please use the new addresses when sending
mail to the lists.

Thank you for your patience.

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corp.
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum



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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:51 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] [IBIS] Important Changes to IBIS Reflectors

As some of you may have seen, the eda.org domain has been "hijacked" by
a third party outside the United States.  At this point, attempts to
recover the domain are continuing but access to the domain is
intermittent at best.

To enable reliable communication, the system operators have created a
new domain, eda-stds.org, for use as a web and mailing list home.  As a
result, the addresses for one of the IBIS websites and both reflectors
have changed.

To access the website, visit http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ (the official
site at http://www.eigroup.org/ibis is unaffected).  You may also visit
the aliases http://www.verilog.org/ibis/ or http://www.vhdl.org/ibis.
Most website links have already been migrated to the new addresses.

For the reflectors, the IBIS reflector may now be accessed at
ibis@eda-stds.org.  Similarly, the IBIS Users reflector is available for
posting through ibis-users@eda-stds.org.  The verilog.org and vhdl.org
aliases should also work.  Please use the new addresses when sending
mail to the lists.

Thank you for your patience.

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corp.
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum



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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:14:57 +0400
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:36:13 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Third call for Papers - IBIS Summit at DAC 2006

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                            IBIS SUMMIT
                          THIRD CALL FOR
                   PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

              I B I S   S U M M I T   M E E T I N G

Time/Date:  Tuesday July 25, 2006,  8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

Location:   Argent Hotel (near Moscone Center)
            50 Third Street
            San Francisco, CA 94103

Room:       The City Room

Content:    Presentations and Discussions

Purpose:    Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information
            and Ideas

Sponsors:   IBIS Open Forum, Mentor Graphics

            If your company would be interested in sponsoring this
            event, please contact Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com>. 
	    Sponsorship is available for the room, lunch, and coffee
            breaks.
 
DAC:        July 24 - 28, 2006
            Moscone Center
            San Francisco, California

            FREE Exhibit Pass is available on Monday only.
	    See <http://www.dac.com/> for more information.


BACKGROUND

   The Design Automation Conference (DAC) is the premier Electronic
   Design Automation (EDA) and silicon solution event. DAC features
   over 50 technical sessions covering the latest in design
   methodologies and EDA tool developments in addition to an exhibit
   floor, with combined booth and demo suites, showcasing over 200
   of the leading EDA, silicon and IP providers.   Topics of current
   interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DAC.

   This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting.
   Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an
   electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued.
   Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least
   two weeks prior to the meeting.


ELECTION OF OFFICERS

   The annual election of officers will be held.  Nominations can
   be sent to Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com> or made at the meeting for
   these positions:

   Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Librarian, Webmaster, and Postmaster


CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

   People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development,
   and digital circuit design are invited to participate to the
   Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with
   the information below:

   Name:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

Send to:

   Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)


CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS

   We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS
   experiences or issues.

   Format of Presentation:  LCD Projection with Windows laptop.
   Time: 15-30 Minutes
   Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the
         presentations can be archived and also made available to
         non-attendees.  Formats can be Power Point and/or Acrobat.
         Electronic presentations should be made available by
         July 20, 2006 for uploading and copying to the presentation
         laptop.

If you plan a presentation, please supply

   Title:
   Presenter:
   E-mail address:
   Company:
   Telephone:

   Estimate Time:


Send this to:

   Syed Huq (shuq@cisco.com)


AGENDA

   The agenda includes presentations, discussions, breaks, and a
   luncheon (which will be provided).  This will be developed as
   presentation proposals are received.

   The following presentations or topics are tentatively planned
   (titles not finalized):

   Michael Mirmak, Intel, "IBIS Roadmap"
   Bob Ross, "IBIS Summary and Evolution"
   John Shields, Mentor Graphics, "A Standards-based Approach to
     IP Protection for HDLs"
   Richard Ward, Texas Instruments, "Serdes Introduction and Macro/AMS
     Modeling"
   Arpad Muranyi, Intel, "Macromodeling Committee Activities"
   Ian Dodd, Mentor Graphics, "Integration Issues in using IBIS
     Multi-lingual Models"
   Arpad Muranyi, Intel, "Quite Line Experiments and BIRD97/BIRD98"
   Possibly Frequency Dependent Modeling Topic
   Possibly Power Delivery Topic
   Possibly other topics

   Election of IBIS Officers


LIST OF NEARBY HOTELS

   See <http://www.dac.com/43rd/index.html> for travel directions,
   hotels and other information.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:54:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: bhavneet aujla <bhavneetsingh1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Calculation of C_comp

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Hello,
   
  I am trying to calculate C-comp using LC oscillator method for output pad. For that i am disabling both NMOS and PMOS from the core side and then doing AC Analysis taking (for supply of 5v)
  dc 2.5 ac 2.5 
  so i can't understand that
  1.   the capacitance that i am calculating using the approach, isn't it that for a signal applied some capacitances are charged up and some are discharged. so how can we say that we have approximate value of capacitance i.e. C_comp.
  2.   i should try to obtain capacitance also by enabling either PMOS or NMOS too.
   
  Thanking you
   
  Regards
  Bhavneet singh

 			
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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>I am trying to calculate C-comp using LC oscillator method for output pad. For that i am disabling both NMOS and PMOS from the core side and then doing AC Analysis taking (for supply of 5v)</DIV>  <DIV>dc 2.5 ac 2.5&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>so i can't understand that</DIV>  <DIV>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the&nbsp;capacitance that i am calculating using the approach, isn't it that&nbsp;for a&nbsp;signal applied&nbsp;some capacitances are charged up and some are discharged. so how can we say that we have approximate value of capacitance i.e. C_comp.</DIV>  <DIV>2.&nbsp;&nbsp; i should try to obtain capacitance also by&nbsp;enabling&nbsp;either PMOS or NMOS too.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Thanking you</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Regards</DIV>  <DIV>Bhavneet singh</DIV><p>&#32;
	
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:23:53 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

The IBIS Open Forum is pleased to announce the availability of Golden
Parser executables and source code for IBIS 4.2.  This latest version of
the specification was approved on June 2, 2006 and includes support for
VHDL-AMS and Verilog-AMS code that uses only analog ports, in addition
to the mixed analog and digital ports available under IBIS 4.1.

The latest specification can be found at:

http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ver4.2/

The executables can be found at:

http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/

Versions are available for DOS32 (Microsoft Windows), HP 11, Linux and
Sun 5.6 operating systems.

Source code licensees will receive their source code updates shortly.

The Open Forum is grateful to Jon Powell of Intel Corp. for providing
development services, making this release possible.

Thank you for your support of IBIS!

- - Michael Mirmak
  Intel Corp.
  Chair, EIA IBIS Open Forum

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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:20:52 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Fourth and Final Call for Papers & Participations - IBIS summit at DAC 2006

- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
                            IBIS SUMMIT
                     FORTH AND FINAL CALL FOR
                   PARTICIPATION & PRESENTATIONS
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

              I B I S   S U M M I T   M E E T I N G

Time/Date:  Tuesday July 25, 2006,  8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

Location:   Argent Hotel (near Moscone Center)
            50 Third Street
            San Francisco, CA 94103

Room:       The City Room

Content:    Presentations and Discussions

Purpose:    Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information
            and Ideas

Sponsors:   IBIS Open Forum, Mentor Graphics

            If your company would be interested in sponsoring this
            event, please contact Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com>. 
	    Sponsorship is available for the room, lunch, and coffee
            breaks.
 
DAC:        July 24 - 28, 2006
            Moscone Center
            San Francisco, California

            FREE Exhibit Pass is available on Monday only.
	    See <http://www.dac.com/> for more information.


BACKGROUND

   The Design Automation Conference (DAC) is the premier Electronic
   Design Automation (EDA) and silicon solution event. DAC features
   over 50 technical sessions covering the latest in design
   methodologies and EDA tool developments in addition to an exhibit
   floor, with combined booth and demo suites, showcasing over 200
   of the leading EDA, silicon and IP providers.   Topics of current
   interest to the EIA IBIS Open Forum are addressed at DAC.

   This meeting will be conducted as a formal IBIS Summit Meeting.
   Presentations are expected to be available and archived in an
   electronic format, and minutes of the meeting will be issued.
   Any pending formal decisions (votes) will be announced at least
   two weeks prior to the meeting.


ELECTION OF OFFICERS

   The annual election of officers will be held.  Nominations can
   be sent to Syed Huq <shuq@cisco.com> or made at the meeting for
   these positions:

   Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Librarian, Webmaster, and Postmaster


CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS

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   Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corp., "Gate Modulation Effect and
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:52:19 -0400
From: "Dwayne Johnson" <dwayne_j@gennum.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Using S2IBIS3 to generate ramp data

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Hi.
 
I'm starting to generate IBIS models using S2IBIS3 but I have a concern with
the ramp data (dV/dt) that is calculated.
The typ, min, and max spice files that are generated for this simulation
includes the typical spice models for all 3 cases.
 
So, although the input ramp time, temp and supply voltages are being varied
for the dV/dt typ, min, max simulations, the spice models are not!!!
 
I've looked at the source code in s2ispice.java and have confirmed that the
min, max, and typ routines all specify typical models while varying temp,
voltages, and input ramp times.
 
I've looked in the spec but can't find anything to explain this.  Shouldn't
the spice models be varied for DV/dt ramp measurement, as they are in the
rising/falling waveform case?
 
Please advise.
 
Dwayne Johnson
Gennum Corporation
905-632-2999x2640

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looked in the=20
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models=20
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:08:00 -0400
From: "Ambrish Varma" <akvarma@ncsu.edu>
Subject: FW: [IBIS-Users] Using S2IBIS3 to generate ramp data

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Glad to hear that.

Also - there is a new FAQ page for S2IBIS3 that you and other users might
find useful.

It is available here: http://www.ece.ncsu.edu/erl/ibis/faq/S2IBIS3_FAQ.htm 

Thanks,

 

- --Ambrish Varma

North Carolina State University

ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285

  _____  

From: Dwayne Johnson [mailto:dwayne_j@gennum.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:03 PM
To: 'Ambrish Varma'
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Using S2IBIS3 to generate ramp data

 

You've already solved my problem!!

I was using 1.0 and because of your reply, I now see that 1.1 is available
and will fix this problem.

 

Thank you very much!!

 

  _____  

From: Ambrish Varma [mailto:akvarma@ncsu.edu] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:58 AM
To: 'Dwayne Johnson'
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Using S2IBIS3 to generate ramp data

Hello Dwayne,

Which version of s2ibis3 are you using?

Thanks,

 

- --Ambrish Varma

North Carolina State University

ph(919)513-2015, fax(919)515-2285

  _____  

From: owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org]
On Behalf Of Dwayne Johnson
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:52 AM
To: ibis-users@eda-stds.org; ibis@eda-stds.ord
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Using S2IBIS3 to generate ramp data

 

Hi.

 

I'm starting to generate IBIS models using S2IBIS3 but I have a concern with
the ramp data (dV/dt) that is calculated.

The typ, min, and max spice files that are generated for this simulation
includes the typical spice models for all 3 cases.

 

So, although the input ramp time, temp and supply voltages are being varied
for the dV/dt typ, min, max simulations, the spice models are not!!!

 

I've looked at the source code in s2ispice.java and have confirmed that the
min, max, and typ routines all specify typical models while varying temp,
voltages, and input ramp times.

 

I've looked in the spec but can't find anything to explain this.  Shouldn't
the spice models be varied for DV/dt ramp measurement, as they are in the
rising/falling waveform case?

 

Please advise.

 

Dwayne Johnson

Gennum Corporation

905-632-2999x2640


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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
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2006 11:58
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Dwayne Johnson'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [IBIS-Users] =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] =
Using
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but I
have a concern with the ramp data (dV/dt) that is =
calculated.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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for
this simulation includes the typical spice models for all 3 =
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supply
voltages are being varied for the dV/dt typ, min, max simulations, the =
spice
models are not!!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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models&nbsp;while varying temp, voltages, and input ramp =
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measurement, as
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:52:58 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split C_comp values

Hi Gurus,

Could some one suggest me a test case which can be useful for observing
the sensitivity of split C_comp values of IBIS?

Need for the test case: I am extracting the split C_comp values of the
IO buffer from two different approaches. I need to select one of the
approach by correlating with hspice model. For that, I need a test case
that is very sensitive to split C_comp values. 

Thanks in advance.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:16:20 -0400
From: "Pratt, Gary" <gary_pratt@mentor.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS-4.1/AMS tutorial at DesignCon

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Greeting SI Enthusiasts,

I'd like to get a feeling for the level of interest in another
installment of the IBIS-4.1/AMS tutorial at DesignCon 2007.  Did
everyone who was interested get a chance to attend the tutorial at
DesignCon 2006, or is there interest in another session in 2007? =20
For those unfamiliar with IBIS-4.1/AMS, this is the technique the IBIS
committee has chosen to move forward with new technologies.  IBIS4.1/AMS
is a complete modeling language that accommodates additional features
and functions of new I/O technology without the need to modify the IBIS
specification or wait for EDA vendors to support the modifications.
IBIS-4.1/AMS is proving useful for a wide variety of applications
including SERDES modeling, SSN, automated eye measurements, receive-side
equalization, slew-dependant timing, receiver clock recovery, functional
SI verification, multi-level signaling, etc.
The 2006 tutorial can be read at
<http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK
"http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pdf"AM
S Tutorial .pdf
<http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK > >.  The 2007
version will include sections on using IBIS-4.1/AMS for performing
electrical and timing verification of DDR2 memory, and other interesting
applications that have come up over the year.  =20
Please let me know if you are interested (preferably via private
response, to reduce list clutter).  And/or, if you attended 2006, let me
know if there is anything you would like to see different in 2007. =20
Thanks in advance,
Gary Pratt =20


Gary L. Pratt, P.E.
Product Manager - High-Speed Design Kits
SDD Division
Office: (503) 685-1177
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I'd like to get a feeling for the level =
of interest in another installment of the IBIS-4.1/AMS tutorial at =
DesignCon 2007.&nbsp; Did everyone who was interested get a chance to =
attend the tutorial at DesignCon 2006, or is there interest in another =
session in 2007?&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">For those unfamiliar with IBIS-4.1/AMS, =
this is the technique the IBIS committee has chosen to move forward with =
new technologies.&nbsp; IBIS4.1/AMS is a complete modeling language that =
accommodates additional features and functions of new I/O technology =
without the need to modify the IBIS specification or wait for EDA =
vendors to support the modifications.&nbsp; IBIS-4.1/AMS is proving =
useful for a wide variety of applications including SERDES modeling, =
SSN, automated eye measurements, receive-side equalization, =
slew-dependant timing, receiver clock recovery, functional SI =
verification, multi-level signaling, etc.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The 2006 tutorial can be read at =
&lt;</FONT><A =
HREF=3D"http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK =
"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK =
&quot;http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pd=
f&quot;AMS Tutorial .pdf</FONT></U></A><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman">&gt;</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">.&nbsp; The 2007 version =
will include sections on using IBIS-4.1/AMS for performing electrical =
and timing verification of DDR2 memory, and other interesting =
applications that have come up over the year.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please let me know if you are =
interested (preferably via private response, to reduce list =
clutter).&nbsp; And/or, if you attended 2006, let me know if there is =
anything you would like to see different in 2007.&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks in advance,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Gary Pratt&nbsp;</FONT>=20
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Gary L. Pratt, P.E.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Product Manager - High-Speed Design =
Kits</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">SDD Division</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Office: (503) 685-1177</FONT>

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or</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">mobile: (262) 337-2196</FONT>

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:50:54 -0700
From: "Ray Anderson" <ray.anderson@xilinx.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS-4.1/AMS tutorial at DesignCon

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Gary Pratt wrote:

>The 2006 tutorial can be read at
<http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK
"http://si->list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pdf"A
MS Tutorial .pdf
<http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/HYPERLINK%20%22http:/si-
%3elist.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pdf%22AMS%20Tu
torial%20.pdf> >.  The 2007 version will include sections on using
IBIS-4.1/AMS for >performing electrical and timing verification of DDR2
memory, and other interesting applications that have come up over the
year.  =20

=20

=20

The URL referenced in Gary's recent posting seems to have been mangled
by his e-mail software.

The correct URL is:
http://si-list.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pdf

- -Ray

=20

Raymond Anderson

Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer

Product Technology Department

Advanced Package R&D

Xilinx Inc.

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<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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p:/si-%3elist.org/files/mentor_designcon_2006/AMS%20Tutorial%20.pdf%22AMS=
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will
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verification of DDR2 memory, and other interesting applications that =
have come
up over the year.&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></font></p>

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:22:12 -0500
From: "Sam Chitwood" <samchitwood@sigrity.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split C_comp values

Hi Venu,

Basically you need a non-ideal power delivery model in order to see the
effects of split c_comp.  

I recommend that you use a fully coupled (and frequency dependent would be
even better) sig/pwr/gnd package+PCB model that has ports at the driver,
receiver, and power supply locations.

There has been a lot of exploration work regarding how to split c_comp over
the past 1.5 years.  Zhiping Yang has published a few documents about his
techniques - it's a good place to start if you haven't seen them yet.  
I believe this was his latest paper:
http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/yang.pdf

Just let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
Sam


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[mailto:owner-ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org] On Behalf Of Ummalaneni, Venu
Babu (Venu)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:23 AM
To: ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split C_comp
values

Hi Gurus,

Could some one suggest me a test case which can be useful for observing
the sensitivity of split C_comp values of IBIS?

Need for the test case: I am extracting the split C_comp values of the
IO buffer from two different approaches. I need to select one of the
approach by correlating with hspice model. For that, I need a test case
that is very sensitive to split C_comp values. 

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Venu


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:52 +0900
From: "Xuefeng Chen" <Xuefeng.Chen@synopsys.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hi expert,
  Can you tell me how to unzip the file of source code?
  I failed by winzip and some linux commands.
  I even tried to rename the file with 'ibischk.zip' but still failed.   
  Thanks a lot!


Best regards
Xuefeng



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From: owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org] On Behalf Of Mirmak, Michael
Sent: 2006Äê7ÔÂ2ÈÕ 10:24
To: ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!


The IBIS Open Forum is pleased to announce the availability of Golden
Parser executables and source code for IBIS 4.2.  This latest version of
the specification was approved on June 2, 2006 and includes support for
VHDL-AMS and Verilog-AMS code that uses only analog ports, in addition
to the mixed analog and digital ports available under IBIS 4.1.

The latest specification can be found at:

http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ver4.2/

The executables can be found at:

http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/

Versions are available for DOS32 (Microsoft Windows), HP 11, Linux and
Sun 5.6 operating systems.

Source code licensees will receive their source code updates shortly.

The Open Forum is grateful to Jon Powell of Intel Corp. for providing
development services, making this release possible.

Thank you for your support of IBIS!

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:43:22 +0200
From: Lars Snith <lsnith@atmel.com>
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hello,

I take it you refer to the file:
http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/linux/ibischk4.gz

Use "gzip -d ibischk4.gz"

Best regards,  Lars


Xuefeng Chen wrote:
> Hi expert,
>   Can you tell me how to unzip the file of source code?
>   I failed by winzip and some linux commands.
>   I even tried to rename the file with 'ibischk.zip' but still failed.   
>   Thanks a lot!


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:13:49 +0900
From: "Xuefeng Chen" <Xuefeng.Chen@synopsys.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hi Lars,
Thanks for your input, but I still failed with the message:

gzip: ibischk4.gz: not in gzip format

Best regards
Xuefeng

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From: Lars Snith [mailto:lsnith@atmel.com] 
Sent: 2006Äê7ÔÂ18ÈÕ 13:43
To: Xuefeng Chen
Cc: Mirmak, Michael; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hello,

I take it you refer to the file:
http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/linux/ibischk4.gz

Use "gzip -d ibischk4.gz"

Best regards,  Lars


Xuefeng Chen wrote:
> Hi expert,
>   Can you tell me how to unzip the file of source code?
>   I failed by winzip and some linux commands.
>   I even tried to rename the file with 'ibischk.zip' but still failed.   
>   Thanks a lot!


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:20:52 -0400
From: "Dwayne Johnson" <dwayne_j@gennum.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

 I had the same problem.  After being unable to unzip, I just tried running it as is and it works!!  The .gz extension is misleading.  You run it in linux by typing "ibischk4.gz" at the prompt.  Make sure it has the executable attribute on it ("chmod u+x ibischk4.gz" if required).

Dwayne Johnson
Gennum Corporation

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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:14 AM
To: Lars Snith; Xuefeng Chen
Cc: Mirmak, Michael; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hi Lars,
Thanks for your input, but I still failed with the message:

gzip: ibischk4.gz: not in gzip format

Best regards
Xuefeng

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From: Lars Snith [mailto:lsnith@atmel.com]
Sent: 2006å¹´7æœˆ18æ—¥ 13:43
To: Xuefeng Chen
Cc: Mirmak, Michael; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hello,

I take it you refer to the file:
http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/linux/ibischk4.gz

Use "gzip -d ibischk4.gz"

Best regards,  Lars


Xuefeng Chen wrote:
> Hi expert,
>   Can you tell me how to unzip the file of source code?
>   I failed by winzip and some linux commands.
>   I even tried to rename the file with 'ibischk.zip' but still failed.   
>   Thanks a lot!


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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:22:01 -0700
From: "Mirmak, Michael" <michael.mirmak@intel.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Downloading IBIS 4.2 Parser Executables

Several individuals have reported problems running the ibischk4 parser
executables they have downloaded from the IBIS website.  We can confirm
that the posted files are properly archived using zip or gzip and carry
.zip or .gz extensions.  Some browsers may be automatically unzipping
the files without changing the file extension.  If you are having
difficulty, please check your browser's settings to ensure that
automatic unzipping is not taking place.

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:02:31 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Agenda: IBIS Summit at DAC 2006

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            Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corporation

9:45 AM     A Standards-based Approach to IP Protection for HDLS
            John Shields, Mentor Graphics

10:30 AM    BREAK

10:45 AM    Serdes Introduction and Macro/AMS Modelling
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            Michael Mirmak, Intel Corporation
 
2:30 PM     Gate Modulation Effect and BIRD97/98
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3:00 PM     BREAK       

3:15 PM     DDR2 Electrical and Timing Measurements in VHDL-AMS
            Gary Pratt, Mentor Graphics

3:45 PM     Integration Issues in using IBIS Multi-lingual Models
	    Ian Dodd, Mentor Graphics

4:00 PM     IBIS Summary and Evolution
            Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group

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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:41:32 +0900
From: "Xuefeng Chen" <Xuefeng.Chen@synopsys.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hi all,
   Thanks a lot! 
   It works now.

Best regards
Xuefeng

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dwayne Johnson [mailto:dwayne_j@gennum.com] 
Sent: 2006Äê7ÔÂ18ÈÕ 21:21
To: 'Xuefeng Chen'; 'Lars Snith'
Cc: 'Mirmak, Michael'; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

 I had the same problem.  After being unable to unzip, I just tried running it as is and it works!!  The .gz extension is misleading.  You run it in linux by typing "ibischk4.gz" at the prompt.  Make sure it has the executable attribute on it ("chmod u+x ibischk4.gz" if required).

Dwayne Johnson
Gennum Corporation

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org] On Behalf Of Xuefeng Chen
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:14 AM
To: Lars Snith; Xuefeng Chen
Cc: Mirmak, Michael; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hi Lars,
Thanks for your input, but I still failed with the message:

gzip: ibischk4.gz: not in gzip format

Best regards
Xuefeng

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From: Lars Snith [mailto:lsnith@atmel.com]
Sent: 2006Äê7ÔÂ18ÈÕ 13:43
To: Xuefeng Chen
Cc: Mirmak, Michael; ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] IBIS 4.2 Golden Parser Released!

Hello,

I take it you refer to the file:
http://www.eda-stds.org/ibis/ibischk4/linux/ibischk4.gz

Use "gzip -d ibischk4.gz"

Best regards,  Lars


Xuefeng Chen wrote:
> Hi expert,
>   Can you tell me how to unzip the file of source code?
>   I failed by winzip and some linux commands.
>   I even tried to rename the file with 'ibischk.zip' but still failed.   
>   Thanks a lot!


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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:21:32 +0530
From: "Ummalaneni, Venu Babu \(Venu\)" <venubabu@agere.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split C_comp values

Sam,

Thanks for the test case and the pointer.

I will proceed with this test case.

Best Regards,
Venu

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From: Sam Chitwood [mailto:samchitwood@sigrity.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:52 PM
To: Ummalaneni, Venu Babu (Venu); ibis-users@eda-stds.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split
C_comp values


Hi Venu,

Basically you need a non-ideal power delivery model in order to see the
effects of split c_comp.  

I recommend that you use a fully coupled (and frequency dependent would
be even better) sig/pwr/gnd package+PCB model that has ports at the
driver, receiver, and power supply locations.

There has been a lot of exploration work regarding how to split c_comp
over the past 1.5 years.  Zhiping Yang has published a few documents
about his techniques - it's a good place to start if you haven't seen
them yet.  
I believe this was his latest paper:
http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/summits/dec05/yang.pdf

Just let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
Sam


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From: owner-ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org] On Behalf Of Ummalaneni,
Venu Babu (Venu)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:23 AM
To: ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Test case to see the sensitivity of split C_comp
values

Hi Gurus,

Could some one suggest me a test case which can be useful for observing
the sensitivity of split C_comp values of IBIS?

Need for the test case: I am extracting the split C_comp values of the
IO buffer from two different approaches. I need to select one of the
approach by correlating with hspice model. For that, I need a test case
that is very sensitive to split C_comp values. 

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Venu


sensitivity

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:26:05 -0400
From: "Dwayne Johnson" <dwayne_j@gennum.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS version number commonly supported

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Hello All,
 
I'm working on generating IBIS models for some of our products but have a
question regarding IBIS version numbers supported by board-level
simulation/analysis tools today.  I'd like to use version 4.1 rather than
version 3.2 because of the extra resolution that is permitted in the
waveform data for the rising and falling edges (1000 points instead of only
100), but I would like some assurance that the IBIS simulators out there
will be able to handle version 4.1  Can anyone comment on what versions are
commonly supported these days?
 
thanks,
 
Dwayne Johnson
IC Design Engineer
Gennum Corporation,
4281 Harvester Road
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
L7L 5M4
 
website: www.gennum.com <http://www.gennum.com/> 
email: dwayne_j@gennum.com
phone: 905-632-2999 x 2640
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:56:03 -0700
From: "Tom Dagostino" <tom@teraspeed.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS version number commonly supported

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I would stick with 3.2 unless you really need a feature from 4.0 or higher.

 
 

Tom Dagostino
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Cc: 'Vasilis Papanikolaou'
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS version number commonly supported


 
Hello All,
 
I'm working on generating IBIS models for some of our products but have a
question regarding IBIS version numbers supported by board-level
simulation/analysis tools today.  I'd like to use version 4.1 rather than
version 3.2 because of the extra resolution that is permitted in the
waveform data for the rising and falling edges (1000 points instead of only
100), but I would like some assurance that the IBIS simulators out there
will be able to handle version 4.1  Can anyone comment on what versions are
commonly supported these days?
 
thanks,
 

Dwayne Johnson
IC Design Engineer
Gennum Corporation,
4281 Harvester Road
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
L7L 5M4
 
website: www.gennum.com <http://www.gennum.com/> 
email: dwayne_j@gennum.com
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  board-level simulation/analysis tools today.&nbsp; I'd like to use =
version 4.1=20
  rather than version 3.2 because of the extra resolution that is =
permitted in=20
  the waveform data for the rising and falling edges&nbsp;(1000 points =
instead=20
  of only 100), but I would like some assurance that the IBIS simulators =
out=20
  there will be able to handle version 4.1&nbsp; Can anyone comment on =
what=20
  versions are commonly supported these days?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D663092219-25072006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IC Design =
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Corporation,</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Burlington, Ontario,=20
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>L7L 5M4</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>website: <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.gennum.com/">www.gennum.com</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>email: <A=20
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:25:21 -0700
From: "Lynne D. Green" <lgreen22@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] IBIS version number commonly supported

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Hello, Dwayne,
 
Even if you decide to ship 3.2 models, one can set [IBIS Ver] to 4.1 or 4.2
and run the parser against the file.  You can always reset [IBIS Ver] after
parsing at the higher level.
 
- - Lynne


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On Behalf Of Dwayne Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:26 PM
To: 'Dwayne Johnson'; ibis-users@eda-stds.org; ibis@eda-stds.ord
Cc: 'Vasilis Papanikolaou'
Subject: [IBIS-Users] IBIS version number commonly supported


 
Hello All,
 
I'm working on generating IBIS models for some of our products but have a
question regarding IBIS version numbers supported by board-level
simulation/analysis tools today.  I'd like to use version 4.1 rather than
version 3.2 because of the extra resolution that is permitted in the
waveform data for the rising and falling edges (1000 points instead of only
100), but I would like some assurance that the IBIS simulators out there
will be able to handle version 4.1  Can anyone comment on what versions are
commonly supported these days?
 
thanks,
 

Dwayne Johnson
IC Design Engineer
Gennum Corporation,
4281 Harvester Road
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
L7L 5M4
 
website: www.gennum.com <http://www.gennum.com/> 
email: dwayne_j@gennum.com
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Even if you decide to ship 3.2 models, one can =
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  [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda-stds.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dwayne=20
  Johnson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
'Dwayne=20
  Johnson'; ibis-users@eda-stds.org; ibis@eda-stds.ord<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
'Vasilis=20
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  rather than version 3.2 because of the extra resolution that is =
permitted in=20
  the waveform data for the rising and falling edges&nbsp;(1000 points =
instead=20
  of only 100), but I would like some assurance that the IBIS simulators =
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  there will be able to handle version 4.1&nbsp; Can anyone comment on =
what=20
  versions are commonly supported these days?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D663092219-25072006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D663092219-25072006><FONT =
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Johnson</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IC Design =
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gennum =
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4281 Harvester =
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Burlington, Ontario,=20
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>L7L 5M4</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>website: <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.gennum.com/">www.gennum.com</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>email: <A=20
  =
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  <DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>phone: 905-632-2999 x=20
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:23:29 -0500
From: "Dunbar, Tony" <tony_dunbar@mentor.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] LVPECL 3.3V Example, please

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Can someone please send me or point me at an example IBIS file with
LVPECL33 buffers that use [Rising Waveform] and [Falling Waveform]
tables? The only ones I can stumble across have only Ramp data.
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:55:15 -0700
From: Bob Ross <bob@teraspeed.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Asian IBIS Summit (China) First Announcement

To All:

The IBIS Open Forum is holding an Asian IBIS Summit Meeting in
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This is an early initial announcement for longer term travel planning.

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We encourage technical contributions from Asia.  We expect a full
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               A S I A N   I B I S   S U M M I T   ( C H I N A )

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:41:01 +0530
From: "Nekkondi, Hima" <bindu@qualcomm.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] no convergence in dc sweep 

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hi,

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   when i am running the spice simulation for me this eror came

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   error  : no convergence in dc sweep curves at  -2.5000

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    can any one tell me why  this error came and how to debug.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; when i am running the spice simulation =
for me this eror
came</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; error&nbsp; : no convergence in dc sweep =
curves at&nbsp; -2.5000</span></font></p>

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:30:09 +0530
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Hi ,

     For this you can use below solutions

1)       increase ITL1 (this increase the no.of iterations for getting
operating point so that simulation will proceed) because reducing step
size is not proper as it is limited to 100 points based on the range

2)       if you are facing problem other than 1 st point value (prints
data for few steps of  PAD voltage and stops because of  convergence)
increase ITL2 which is DC transfer curve iterations

3)       instead of giving as entire range say=0D

        .DC  VPAD  -1.8   3.6     0.06

You can print all PAD current steps individually using . RERUN statement
each for each VPAD step value but here some manual work is required.

=0D

Regards

Kiran Kumar

=0D

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hi,

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   when i am running the spice simulation for me this eror came

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   error  : no convergence in dc sweep curves at  -2.5000

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    can any one tell me why  this error came and how to debug.

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Regards,

Hima.

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For this you=
 can
use below solutions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if=
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times=
 New Roman"><span
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>increase ITL1 (this increase the no.of iterations for getting
operating point so that simulation will proceed) because reducing step size=
 is
not proper as it is limited to 100 points based on the=
 range<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if=
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times=
 New Roman"><span
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>if you are facing problem other than 1 st point value (prints=
 &nbsp;data
for few steps of&nbsp; PAD voltage and stops because of &nbsp;convergence)
increase ITL2 which is DC transfer curve=
 iterations<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if=
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size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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color:navy'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=3D1 face=3D"Times=
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style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>instead of giving as entire range say=
 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;
.DC&nbsp; VPAD&nbsp; -1.8&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 0.06<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You can print all PAD current steps
individually using . RERUN statement each for each VPAD step value but here
some manual work is required.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kiran=
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=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span style=
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</font></p>

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[mailto:owner-ibis-users@server.eda-stds.org] <b><span style=
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Behalf Of </span></b>Nekkondi, Hima<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 02,=
 2006
2:41 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [IBIS-Users] no
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
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this eror came</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:37:35 +0200
From: <Radovan.Vuletic@qimonda.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Differences between Hspice netlist simulation and Hspice B-element simulation - bug or feature?

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Hi experts,=20

sorry that I trigger the same topic once again, but now it keeps me busy =
already more than one week and I am pretty sure that the problem is not =
a way how I extract IBIS model, but somewhere else!=20

Before I elaborate the problem let me notice that I get the same result =
if I use 2ibis2 or s2ibis3 or if I use HSpice or some company internal =
analog simulator for extraction of IBIS model.=20

Let me elaborate the problem:=20
1. IBIS model is generated (say with s2ibis2, but irrelevant, since =
there is a same result with s2ibis3)=20
2. I take one of spice decks for extracting rising waveform generated by =
extraction tool (say a00DQ40.spi) - this should be spice deck for =
generating 1st rising waveform in typical case.=20
This spice deck of course contains the netlist of my circuit.=20
3. I modify this spice deck only that  I instantiate in it just =
generated IBIS buffer model (in step 1.) as a B-element - in other =
words, I just put there IBIS model - B-element and do nothing else
4. stimuli and load for netlist remains the same and I use exactly the =
same stimuli and load for IBIS model as well (of course, netlist, IBIS =
model and their stimulus and loads are separated)
5. simulate such modified spice deck with HSpice and compare the =
outputs: netlist vs. IBIS model

Problem:
What I expect to get on output is very good overlap between Hspice =
simulation of netlist and IBIS model, BUT what I get on output is a fact =
that falling or rising edges don't overlap i.e. there is some 30ps delay =
(Please take a look on attached snapshots "zoom1.gif" and "zoom2.gif"). =
Signal "dq_40_ohm" is output of netlist, signal "io_ron_040_hspice_typ". =
You can see a real delay and not some different slopes due to different =
loads.

Transient analysis is done with (.TRAN 1.36e-11 1.36e-09) - i.e. =
simulation step (for IBIS extraction) is 13.6ps.=20

What worries me even more is a fact that in some cases (for different =
stimuli frequencies) I see that rising edges are overlapping and falling =
are delayed and in some cases (some other frequency of stimuli) I see =
that falling edges are overlapping and rising are delayed, so I don't =
know even where should I cut  ("taylor") my V-t curves when behavior =
seems to be so arbitrary and frequency dependant.=20

I know, some of you would say that 20-30ps are no problem, but exactly =
this 20-30ps are shifting (upwards or downwards) crossing point of =
rising and falling edges and destroy duty cycle and data eye diagram =
(target is 800MHz). Problem is independent on slope of stimuli (so with =
1ps slope or 100ps of slope of stimuli I see the same result)=20

I know that we should not speak on this forum about tools and vendors =
and I terribly apologize that I will still mention some of them - but on =
the end all our models are used with some these tools and I think that =
it is necessary that we exchange information about our experiences with =
this tools as well. So the problem is analysed with different tools:

- - I see above mentioned problem when simulating with HSpice (versions =
2004.09, 2005.03 and 2006.03) netlist vs. IBIS model
- - I see effect of above mentioned problem when simulating with ADS - =
using only IBIS model  - rising and falling edge crossing points are =
shifted same as in HSpice
- - with SpecctraQuest (also simulating only with IBIS model) I see the =
right results!


So I am pretty confused, what is correct? A few different simulators, =
but only one is showing a right result (or at least result that I =
consider as a proper).
What is your experience? Have you noticed something similar? Can =
somebody from you do the same procedure on one of your designs (compare =
IBIS vs. HSpice on the same way as I done)?

Has somebody an idea, proposal?

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen / S po=B9tovanjem
Radovan Vuleti=E6

Qimonda AG
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