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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:18:19 +0200
From: Ralf Bruening <ralf.bruening@zuken.de>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Freescale 8343 DDR2 IBIS CLOCK Driver models & Micron DDR2 receiver ???

Hello all,

has anyone on this list(s) experience in using Freescale PPC QUICC II
Pro 8343 differential DDR2 clock models (ddr2_io_1111 from rev8343_rev202.ibis
from Febraury 27th, rather new) driving a Micron differential clock
input over a terminated differential transmission line (CLKIN from u26a.ibs).

Me I get always starnge differential waveforms (wrong crossing point,
below Vcross_low which is 0.675 V, I only get beween 0.55 and 0.64
depending on Zdiff which I have varied between 85 and 125 Ohms) when
driving this model, while using a Micron diff-driver the waveforms look perfect,
so its obviously not an issue of the receiver model from Micron.

Anything I'm overlooking ?

Yes, I have already contact Freescale support, answer pending, and yes
I cross-checked in HSPICE either but have not finished all these
simulations yet.

Thx for any feedback/hints - take my regards from rainy Paderborn

    Ralf
    

  

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:50:50 +0100
From: "Mandel, Cary" <cary_mandel@mentor.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Shiv,

I suggest that you remove the leading common delay from the VT tables.
If you do treat the MIN, TYP and MAX models independently -- i.e. strip
the leading delay from the MIN, TYP, MAX models independently -- then
you will be able to run the models at a higher frequency.

Cary Mandel
Mentor Graphics. 

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From: owner-ibis-users@server.eda.org
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@server.eda.org] On Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
Sent: 29 May 2007 11:14
To: ibis-users@server.eda.org; ibis-users@server.eda.org
Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Experts,

I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time
period = 666ps).
While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a
window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The
buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and
424.08ps respectively.

Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of the
buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer (the
  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)

Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS
model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as
the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good
match only if MAX corner is considered.

Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order to
model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur
STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
INDIA

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:59:03 -0400
From: "Todd Westerhoff" <twesterh@sisoft.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Shiv,

There were a number of discussions back in January about trimming V/T
tables, with Dimitry Eisenshtat presenting the results of an algorithm he
implemented.  The descriptions of the algorithm were pretty detailed; I
suggest you have a look in the archives and see if you find those
discussions useful.

Todd.

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of Mandel, Cary
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:51 AM
To: Shiv Harit MATHUR; ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Shiv,

I suggest that you remove the leading common delay from the VT tables.
If you do treat the MIN, TYP and MAX models independently -- i.e. strip
the leading delay from the MIN, TYP, MAX models independently -- then
you will be able to run the models at a higher frequency.

Cary Mandel
Mentor Graphics. 

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Sent: 29 May 2007 11:14
To: ibis-users@server.eda.org; ibis-users@server.eda.org
Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Experts,

I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time
period = 666ps).
While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a
window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The
buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and
424.08ps respectively.

Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of the
buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer (the
  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)

Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS
model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as
the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good
match only if MAX corner is considered.

Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order to
model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur
STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
INDIA

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:00:40 -0600
From: <rrwolff@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Shiv,

I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading
"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners
as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount
of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain the
correct timing between the curves to different termination voltages.  I
also document in the Notes section of the model the amount of time I
shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the max (in
case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS model).

You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but
assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would
trim off approximately the following delay times from the three corners:

Max: 90ps
Nom: 175ps
Min: 350ps

I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when
you are done and ready for a final check.

Regards,
Randy

Randy Wolff 
SI Modeling Manager 
Signal Integrity R&D Group 
Micron Technology, Inc. 


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To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Experts,

I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time
period = 666ps).
While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a
window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The
buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and
424.08ps respectively.

Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of the
buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer (the
  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)

Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS
model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as
the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good
match only if MAX corner is considered.

Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order to
model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur
STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
INDIA

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:13:07 -0700
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Subject: [IBIS-Users] Agenda, IBIS Summit meeting at DAC 2007

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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN>- Opens for Iss=
ues,=20
Discussion Topics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">8:45 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>IBIS Chair's Re=
port=20
and Roadmap<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Michael Mirmak, Intel Corporation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">9:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>IBIS Quality=20
Report<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">9:15 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Measuring=20
IBIS-to-Spice Correlation Using Waveform <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Metrics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>David Banas, Xilinx Corporation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">9:45 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Ibischk4 Versio=
n 4.2.1=20
and Funny IBIS Models<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">10:15 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>BREAK<o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">10:30 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>More on Initial Time =
Delay=20
Issues<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Lance Wang, IO Methodology<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">11:00 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Correlation of Model=
=20
Simulations and Measurement<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Methods of Quantifying Data Correlations<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Roy Leventhal, Leventhal Designs, and David Banas,<o:p></o:p></SPAN>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Xilinx Corporation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">11:30 AM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Election of=20
Officers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">12:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>LUNCH - Pre-registrat=
ion=20
required<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Asian IBIS <st1=
:City=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Summit</st1:place></st1:City>=20
Review<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1:15 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Interfacing &#8=
220;2N&#8221; and=20
&#8220;N+ref&#8221; Behavioral Models<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Sam Chitwood, Sigrity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">1:45 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>3S Proposal: A =
SPICE=20
Superset Specification for <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Behavioral Modeling<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Michael Mirmak, Intel Corporation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2:15 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>The *-AMS=20
Experience<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corporation<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">2:45 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>BREAK<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">3:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>IBIS-ATM update=
:=20
SerDes modeling and IBIS<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Todd Westerhoff, Signal Integrity Software (SiSoft)<o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">4:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>Opens/Discussion<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">4:55 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Concluding=20
Items<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>- Next Open Forum Meeting: August 4, 2006<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">5:00 PM<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>End of IBIS <st=
1:City=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Summit</st1:place></st1:City> Meeting<SP=
AN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1">&nbsp; </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">---------------------=
- ---------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">REGISTRATION<o:p></o:=
p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>People involved in IB=
IS=20
Model development, EDA tool development,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>and digital circuit d=
esign=20
are invited to participate to the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN><st1:City=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Summit</st1:place></st1:City> meeting. I=
f you=20
plan to participate, please register with<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>the information=20
below:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SP=
AN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>Name:<o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>E-mail=20
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:08:52 +0530
From: Shiv Harit MATHUR <shiv.mathur@st.com>
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello,

Thanks allot for your prompt and very useful suggestions. 

As you said we can trim off V/T curves dead-times, maintaining corner 
correlation intact
while losing out synchronisation across corners.
Now if i do so, then how can we validate our model ??

Also, does there exist some way to add these trimmed delay values in the 
model or the tool for different corners.
I think the dead-time value should be added to the internal delay value 
to avoid overclocking.

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur



rrwolff@micron.com wrote:

>Shiv,
>
>I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading
>"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners
>as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount
>of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain the
>correct timing between the curves to different termination voltages.  I
>also document in the Notes section of the model the amount of time I
>shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the max (in
>case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS model).
>
>You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but
>assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would
>trim off approximately the following delay times from the three corners:
>
>Max: 90ps
>Nom: 175ps
>Min: 350ps
>
>I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when
>you are done and ready for a final check.
>
>Regards,
>Randy
>
>Randy Wolff 
>SI Modeling Manager 
>Signal Integrity R&D Group 
>Micron Technology, Inc. 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
>Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:14 AM
>To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
>Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment
>
>Hello Experts,
>
>I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time
>period = 666ps).
>While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a
>window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The
>buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and
>424.08ps respectively.
>
>Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of the
>buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer (the
>  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)
>
>Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS
>model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as
>the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good
>match only if MAX corner is considered.
>
>Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order to
>model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?
>
>Regards
>Shiv Harit Mathur
>STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
>INDIA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:01:15 +0100
From: "Mandel, Cary" <cary_mandel@mentor.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Shiv,

A related question - regarding trimming V/T curve dead-times AND
correlating simulations with Spice - was raised by a colleague of yours
on the IBIS reflector on May 14, 2007. His name was 
    Akhilesh Chandra - akhilesh.chandra@st.com

I think the dialog - on the IBIS reflector - with Akhilesh should
contain enough information to answer your question. I suggest you check
the IBIS reflector archives - starting 14 May, which will contain a
record of the dialog with Akilesh. You might want to contact Akilesh
directly.

Regards,
Cary Mandel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shiv Harit MATHUR [mailto:shiv.mathur@st.com] 
Sent: 30 May 2007 05:39
To: rrwolff@micron.com; twesterh@sisoft.com; Mandel, Cary
Cc: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello,

Thanks allot for your prompt and very useful suggestions. 

As you said we can trim off V/T curves dead-times, maintaining corner
correlation intact while losing out synchronisation across corners.
Now if i do so, then how can we validate our model ??

Also, does there exist some way to add these trimmed delay values in the
model or the tool for different corners.
I think the dead-time value should be added to the internal delay value
to avoid overclocking.

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur



rrwolff@micron.com wrote:

>Shiv,
>
>I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading 
>"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners 
>as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount

>of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain 
>the correct timing between the curves to different termination 
>voltages.  I also document in the Notes section of the model the amount

>of time I shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the

>max (in case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS
model).
>
>You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but 
>assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would

>trim off approximately the following delay times from the three
corners:
>
>Max: 90ps
>Nom: 175ps
>Min: 350ps
>
>I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when

>you are done and ready for a final check.
>
>Regards,
>Randy
>
>Randy Wolff
>SI Modeling Manager
>Signal Integrity R&D Group
>Micron Technology, Inc. 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On 
>Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:14 AM
>To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
>Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment
>
>Hello Experts,
>
>I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time 
>period = 666ps).
>While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a 
>window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The 
>buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and 
>424.08ps respectively.
>
>Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of 
>the buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer

>(the
>  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)
>
>Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS 
>model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as 
>the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good

>match only if MAX corner is considered.
>
>Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order 
>to model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?
>
>Regards
>Shiv Harit Mathur
>STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
>INDIA
>
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:08:35 +0530
From: Shiv Harit MATHUR <shiv.mathur@st.com>
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

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Hello Cary,

Thanks alot for guiding me. I have read those mails.

Regards
Shiv

Mandel, Cary wrote:

>Hello Shiv,
>
>A related question - regarding trimming V/T curve dead-times AND
>correlating simulations with Spice - was raised by a colleague of yours
>on the IBIS reflector on May 14, 2007. His name was 
>    Akhilesh Chandra - akhilesh.chandra@st.com
>
>I think the dialog - on the IBIS reflector - with Akhilesh should
>contain enough information to answer your question. I suggest you check
>the IBIS reflector archives - starting 14 May, which will contain a
>record of the dialog with Akilesh. You might want to contact Akilesh
>directly.
>
>Regards,
>Cary Mandel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shiv Harit MATHUR [mailto:shiv.mathur@st.com] 
>Sent: 30 May 2007 05:39
>To: rrwolff@micron.com; twesterh@sisoft.com; Mandel, Cary
>Cc: ibis-users@eda.org
>Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment
>
>Hello,
>
>Thanks allot for your prompt and very useful suggestions. 
>
>As you said we can trim off V/T curves dead-times, maintaining corner
>correlation intact while losing out synchronisation across corners.
>Now if i do so, then how can we validate our model ??
>
>Also, does there exist some way to add these trimmed delay values in the
>model or the tool for different corners.
>I think the dead-time value should be added to the internal delay value
>to avoid overclocking.
>
>Regards
>Shiv Harit Mathur
>
>
>
>rrwolff@micron.com wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Shiv,
>>
>>I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading 
>>"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners 
>>as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain 
>>the correct timing between the curves to different termination 
>>voltages.  I also document in the Notes section of the model the amount
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>of time I shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>max (in case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS
>>    
>>
>model).
>  
>
>>You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but 
>>assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>trim off approximately the following delay times from the three
>>    
>>
>corners:
>  
>
>>Max: 90ps
>>Nom: 175ps
>>Min: 350ps
>>
>>I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>you are done and ready for a final check.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Randy
>>
>>Randy Wolff
>>SI Modeling Manager
>>Signal Integrity R&D Group
>>Micron Technology, Inc. 
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On 
>>Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:14 AM
>>To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
>>Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
>>Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment
>>
>>Hello Experts,
>>
>>I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time 
>>period = 666ps).
>>While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a 
>>window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The 
>>buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and 
>>424.08ps respectively.
>>
>>Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of 
>>the buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>(the
>> delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)
>>
>>Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS 
>>model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as 
>>the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>match only if MAX corner is considered.
>>
>>Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order 
>>to model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?
>>
>>Regards
>>Shiv Harit Mathur
>>STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
>>INDIA
>>
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Hello Cary,<br>
<br>
Thanks alot for guiding me. I have read those mails. <br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Shiv <br>
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  <pre wrap="">Hello Shiv,

A related question - regarding trimming V/T curve dead-times AND
correlating simulations with Spice - was raised by a colleague of yours
on the IBIS reflector on May 14, 2007. His name was 
    Akhilesh Chandra - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:akhilesh.chandra@st.com">akhilesh.chandra@st.com</a>

I think the dialog - on the IBIS reflector - with Akhilesh should
contain enough information to answer your question. I suggest you check
the IBIS reflector archives - starting 14 May, which will contain a
record of the dialog with Akilesh. You might want to contact Akilesh
directly.

Regards,
Cary Mandel

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shiv Harit MATHUR [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:shiv.mathur@st.com">mailto:shiv.mathur@st.com</a>] 
Sent: 30 May 2007 05:39
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rrwolff@micron.com">rrwolff@micron.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:twesterh@sisoft.com">twesterh@sisoft.com</a>; Mandel, Cary
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ibis-users@eda.org">ibis-users@eda.org</a>
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello,

Thanks allot for your prompt and very useful suggestions. 

As you said we can trim off V/T curves dead-times, maintaining corner
correlation intact while losing out synchronisation across corners.
Now if i do so, then how can we validate our model ??

Also, does there exist some way to add these trimmed delay values in the
model or the tool for different corners.
I think the dead-time value should be added to the internal delay value
to avoid overclocking.

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur



<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rrwolff@micron.com">rrwolff@micron.com</a> wrote:

  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">Shiv,

I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading 
"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners 
as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain 
the correct timing between the curves to different termination 
voltages.  I also document in the Notes section of the model the amount
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">of time I shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">max (in case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->model).
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but 
assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">trim off approximately the following delay times from the three
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->corners:
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">Max: 90ps
Nom: 175ps
Min: 350ps

I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">you are done and ready for a final check.

Regards,
Randy

Randy Wolff
SI Modeling Manager
Signal Integrity R&amp;D Group
Micron Technology, Inc. 


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Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:14 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ibis-users@eda.org">ibis-users@eda.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ibis-users@eda.org">ibis-users@eda.org</a>
Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello Experts,

I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time 
period = 666ps).
While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a 
window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The 
buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and 
424.08ps respectively.

Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of 
the buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">(the
 delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)

Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS 
model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as 
the bit time is 333ps (&lt; V/T window size). Although it will give a good
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=""><!---->
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">match only if MAX corner is considered.

Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order 
to model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur
STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
INDIA

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:45:32 -0600
From: <rrwolff@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Shiv,

When correlating with spice, it is almost always necessary to use two
different stimuli to the spice and IBIS buffers.  The two stimuli I use
differ in rise/fall times, voltage levels, AND initial delay.  See my
example below:

*                           V1   V2 delay       slewr slewf  pw
per
Vin_spice in_spice 0  PULSE vss vcc delay_spice 100ps 100ps  pw_spice
per_spice
Vin_ibis  in_ibis  0  PULSE 0   1   delay_ibis  1ps   1ps    pw_ibis
per_ibis

The delay_ibis parameter can be adjusted in corner cases to get the
output waveforms to overlay.  The adjustment should be directly related
to how much of the startup time you trimmed off of the curves.  The
trimmed time is not all that important, since it would normally be
"removed" by the buffer delay simulation anyways, but the trimmed time
can be documented in case it is needed in some timing budgets.  For more
info on the buffer delay I mentioned, see the IBIS reflector discussion
entitled "How can we model startup time in IBIS" from two weeks ago.

Regards,
Randy

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:39 PM
To: rrwolff; twesterh@sisoft.com; cary_mandel@mentor.com
Cc: ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment

Hello,

Thanks allot for your prompt and very useful suggestions. 

As you said we can trim off V/T curves dead-times, maintaining corner
correlation intact while losing out synchronisation across corners.
Now if i do so, then how can we validate our model ??

Also, does there exist some way to add these trimmed delay values in the
model or the tool for different corners.
I think the dead-time value should be added to the internal delay value
to avoid overclocking.

Regards
Shiv Harit Mathur



rrwolff@micron.com wrote:

>Shiv,
>
>I have modeled similarly fast switching buffers by removing leading 
>"dead" time from the V-t waveforms.  I treat min, typ, and max corners 
>as independent sets of V-t curves.  Make sure to remove the same amount

>of time from all 4 min curves, typ curves, or max curves to maintain 
>the correct timing between the curves to different termination 
>voltages.  I also document in the Notes section of the model the amount

>of time I shift the typ relative to the max and the min relative to the

>max (in case someone wants to match up the spice model to the IBIS
model).
>
>You only show one set of V-t waveforms in the attached JPEG, but 
>assuming that these curves represent the earliest switch times, I would

>trim off approximately the following delay times from the three
corners:
>
>Max: 90ps
>Nom: 175ps
>Min: 350ps
>
>I suggest you submit your model to the IBIS Model Review Committee when

>you are done and ready for a final check.
>
>Regards,
>Randy
>
>Randy Wolff
>SI Modeling Manager
>Signal Integrity R&D Group
>Micron Technology, Inc. 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On 
>Behalf Of Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:14 AM
>To: ibis-users@eda.org; ibis-users@eda.org
>Cc: Shiv Harit MATHUR
>Subject: [IBIS-Users] V/T Window adjustment
>
>Hello Experts,
>
>I am trying to model a buffer whose freq of operation is 1.5Ghz (time 
>period = 666ps).
>While extracting the V/T curve for the buffer we need to take up a 
>window of not less than 800ps to cover all the three waveforms. The 
>buffer delay in MAX,NOM and MIN CORNERS is 130.31ps, 228.44ps and 
>424.08ps respectively.
>
>Please find the snapshot view of the rising output waveform "TXP" of 
>the buffer in three corners, "SB" is the Input data given to the buffer

>(the
>  delay values are almost same for the falling stimuli also)
>
>Now the problem is that if I extract and dump these values in the IBIS 
>model, the model will certainly fail in the worst and typical cases as 
>the bit time is 333ps (< V/T window size). Although it will give a good

>match only if MAX corner is considered.
>
>Can anybody please suggest, what could be done for this case in order 
>to model the behaviour of the buffer correctly in all three corners ?
>
>Regards
>Shiv Harit Mathur
>STMICROELECTRONICS PVT LTD
>INDIA
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:27:08 -0700
From: Hung Ngo <hngo@atrua.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp

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Hello Randy,

I am a beginner at IBIS.  I downloaded the free tools from IBIS homepage 
and try to generate the models for the first time.

So far so good but the example script 
(http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/) does not include 
GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or examples you 
can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?



My question to you is:

1/ when I sweep the supply range for GND_clamp from -VDD to +VDD, should 
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?
1/ when I sweep the supply range for POWER_clamp from -VDD to 0V, should 
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?

Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you Randy.

Hung Ngo
Atrua Technologies
1696 Dell Avenue
Campbell, CA 95008
(408) 370-8015


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Hello Randy,<br>
<br>
I am a beginner at IBIS.&nbsp; I downloaded the free tools from IBIS
homepage and try to generate the models for the first time. <br>
<br>
So far so good but the example script
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/">http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/</a>) does not include
GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or examples you
can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?<br>
<br>
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My question to you is:<br>
<br>
1/ when I sweep the supply range for <b>GND_clamp</b> from -VDD to
+VDD, should I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?<br>
1/ when I sweep the supply range for <b>POWER_clamp</b> from -VDD to
0V, should I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?<br>
<br>
Your help is greatly appreciated. <br>
Thank you Randy.<br>
<br>
Hung Ngo<br>
Atrua Technologies<br>
1696 Dell Avenue<br>
Campbell, CA 95008<br>
(408) 370-8015<br>
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:08:06 -0600
From: <rrwolff@micron.com>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp

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Sorry, I've never used the s2ibis2 script.  Can anyone else on this list
please help?
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Thanks,
Randy

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From: Hung Ngo [mailto:hngo@atrua.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:27 PM
To: rrwolff; ibis-users
Subject: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp


Hello Randy,

I am a beginner at IBIS.  I downloaded the free tools from IBIS homepage
and try to generate the models for the first time.=20

So far so good but the example script (
http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/) does not include
GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or examples you
can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?

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My question to you is:

1/ when I sweep the supply range for GND_clamp from -VDD to +VDD, should
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?
1/ when I sweep the supply range for POWER_clamp from -VDD to 0V, should
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?

Your help is greatly appreciated.=20
Thank you Randy.

Hung Ngo
Atrua Technologies
1696 Dell Avenue
Campbell, CA 95008
(408) 370-8015




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POWER_Clamp<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hello Randy,<BR><BR>I am a beginner at IBIS.&nbsp; I downloaded =
the=20
free tools from IBIS homepage and try to generate the models for the first =
time.=20
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org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/</A>)=20
does not include GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or=
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examples you can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?<BR><BR><=
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o 0V,=20
should I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?<BR><BR>Your help is greatly apprecia=
ted.=20
<BR>Thank you Randy.<BR><BR>Hung Ngo<BR>Atrua Technologies<BR>1696 Dell=20
Avenue<BR>Campbell, CA 95008<BR>(408) 370-8015<BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:06:15 -0700
From: "Lynne D. Green" <lgreen22@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp

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Please use s2ibis3.  A number of bugs and algorithm errors were fixed in
that release.
 
If you need help with s2ibis3, please read the documentation on the NCSU
site.  If you need
additional support, please contact Ambrish Varma (cc on this email).
 
Best regards,
Lynne
 
 
"IBIS training when you need it, where you need it."
 
Dr. Lynne Green
Green Streak Programs
http://www.greenstreakprograms.com
425-788-0412
lgreen22@mindspring.com
 
 
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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On Behalf
Of rrwolff@micron.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:08 PM
To: hngo@atrua.com; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp



Sorry, I've never used the s2ibis2 script.  Can anyone else on this list
please help?
 
Thanks,
Randy

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From: Hung Ngo [mailto:hngo@atrua.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:27 PM
To: rrwolff; ibis-users
Subject: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp


Hello Randy,

I am a beginner at IBIS.  I downloaded the free tools from IBIS homepage and
try to generate the models for the first time. 

So far so good but the example script
(http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/) does not include
GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or examples you can
tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?



My question to you is:

1/ when I sweep the supply range for GND_clamp from -VDD to +VDD, should I
tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?
1/ when I sweep the supply range for POWER_clamp from -VDD to 0V, should I
tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?

Your help is greatly appreciated. 
Thank you Randy.

Hung Ngo
Atrua Technologies
1696 Dell Avenue
Campbell, CA 95008
(408) 370-8015




  


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  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sorry, I've never used the s2ibis2 script.&nbsp;=
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  anyone else on this list please help?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Hung Ngo [mailto:hngo@atrua.com=
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  <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rrwolff;=
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  ibis-users<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need help with GND_Clamp and=20
  POWER_Clamp<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Hello Randy,<BR><BR>I am a beginner at IBIS.&nbsp; I downloade=
d the=20
  free tools from IBIS homepage and try to generate the models for the firs=
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l.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/</A>)=20
  does not include GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or=
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  examples you can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?<BR><BR=
><IMG=20
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  width=3D438><BR><BR>My question to you is:<BR><BR>1/ when I sweep the sup=
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  range for <B>GND_clamp</B> from -VDD to +VDD, should I tie the Pad to VSS=
 or=20
  to VDD?<BR>1/ when I sweep the supply range for <B>POWER_clamp</B> from -=
VDD=20
  to 0V, should I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?<BR><BR>Your help is greatly=
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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:51:54 -0700
From: "Syed Huq \(shuq\)" <shuq@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: [IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp

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Hi,
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VOUTS2I will tie the PAD to a node first and then it will sweep the PAD
to the range needed for GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp.
The script does this automatically for you.
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You can open the file: gct1.spi (as an example) to see how it is done in
the GND_Clamp files.
=20
Your range mentioned below is not correct. For Power_Clamp, the sweep
will be from VDDQ to 2VDDQ.
The final generated V/I tables in the Power_Clamp will be VDDQ
referenced (done automatically by the script for you).
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If you can get the .s2i files defined correctly, the rest is easy.
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Tks
Syed
.ps assuming you are using the _fix version.

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From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org [mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] On
Behalf Of rrwolff@micron.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:08 PM
To: hngo@atrua.com; ibis-users@eda.org
Subject: [IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp


Sorry, I've never used the s2ibis2 script.  Can anyone else on this list
please help?
=20
Thanks,
Randy

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From: Hung Ngo [mailto:hngo@atrua.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:27 PM
To: rrwolff; ibis-users
Subject: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp


Hello Randy,

I am a beginner at IBIS.  I downloaded the free tools from IBIS homepage
and try to generate the models for the first time.=20

So far so good but the example script (
http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/) does not include
GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or examples you
can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?

=20

My question to you is:

1/ when I sweep the supply range for GND_clamp from -VDD to +VDD, should
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?
1/ when I sweep the supply range for POWER_clamp from -VDD to 0V, should
I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?

Your help is greatly appreciated.=20
Thank you Randy.

Hung Ngo
Atrua Technologies
1696 Dell Avenue
Campbell, CA 95008
(408) 370-8015




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<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
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size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2>VOUTS2I will tie the PAD to a node first and then it will sweep th=
e PAD=20
to the range needed for GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
script does this automatically for you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>You=20
can open the file: gct1.spi (as an example) to see how it is done in the=20
GND_Clamp files.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Your=20
range mentioned below is not correct. For Power_Clamp, the sweep will be fr=
om=20
VDDQ to 2VDDQ.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
final generated V/I tables in the Power_Clamp will be VDDQ referenced (done=
=20
automatically by the script for you).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>If=20
you can get the .s2i files defined correctly, the rest is=20
easy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2>Tks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff=
=20
size=3D2>Syed</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D010184504-31052007><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>.ps=20
assuming you are using the _fix version.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-ibis-users@eda.org=20
[mailto:owner-ibis-users@eda.org] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>rrwolff@micron.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:08=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> hngo@atrua.com; ibis-users@eda.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[IBIS-Users] RE: Need help with GND_Clamp and POWER_Clamp<BR></FONT><BR></D=
IV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D478170723-30052007><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sorry, I've never used the s2ibis2 script.&nbsp; C=
an anyone=20
else on this list please help?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D478170723-30052007><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D478170723-30052007><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D478170723-30052007><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Randy</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Hung Ngo [mailto:hngo@atrua.com]=
=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rrwolff;=20
ibis-users<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need help with GND_Clamp and=20
POWER_Clamp<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hello Randy,<BR><BR>I am a beginner at IBIS.&nbsp; I downloaded =
the=20
free tools from IBIS homepage and try to generate the models for the first =
time.=20
<BR><BR>So far so good but the example script (<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-free=
text=20
href=3D"http://www.vhdl.org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/">http://www.vhdl.=
org/pub/ibis/s2ibis/s2ibis2_v1.1/</A>)=20
does not include GND_clamp and POWER_clamp. Is there any other scripts or=
=20
examples you can tell me so I can complete my IBIS models quickly?<BR><BR><=
IMG=20
title=3D"" height=3D237 alt=3D"" src=3D"cid:010184504@31052007-37A1"=20
width=3D438><BR><BR>My question to you is:<BR><BR>1/ when I sweep the suppl=
y range=20
for <B>GND_clamp</B> from -VDD to +VDD, should I tie the Pad to VSS or to=
=20
VDD?<BR>1/ when I sweep the supply range for <B>POWER_clamp</B> from -VDD t=
o 0V,=20
should I tie the Pad to VSS or to VDD?<BR><BR>Your help is greatly apprecia=
ted.=20
<BR>Thank you Randy.<BR><BR>Hung Ngo<BR>Atrua Technologies<BR>1696 Dell=20
Avenue<BR>Campbell, CA 95008<BR>(408) 370-8015<BR><BR><BR>
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