From: owner-ibis-users@eda.org (ibis-users) To: ibis-users-digest@eda.org Subject: ibis-users V1 #236 Reply-To: Sender: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Errors-To: owner-ibis-users@eda.org Precedence: bulk ibis-users Friday, June 6 2014 Volume 01 : Number 236 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 11:20:50 -0400 From: Lance Wang Subject: Re: [IBIS-Users] full differential buffer IBIS modeling ---clarification > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --B_3482479257_9117347 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Saravanan, The first, s2ibis3 can be used for simple single-end buffer only. It might not be satisfied for differential buffers. The second, R_load in s2i is the same as R_fixture in the IBIS file. The third, full/true differential pair buffer IBIS extraction will not be handled by s2ibis3 correctly. Another word, you will never be able to get correct IBIS models thru s2ibis3 for your full differential buffers. Hope this helps. =20 Lance Wang IO Methodology Inc. 978-266-8981 SimDE MODEL, the best IBIS modeling tool in the market. http://www.iometh.com From: Saravanan Ganesh Date: Friday, May 9, 2014 at 9:55 AM To: "ibis-users@eda.org" Subject: [IBIS-Users] full differential buffer IBIS modeling - ---clarification > Hi=20 > I want to brief on the R_load I am using >=20=20 > I am creating IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a full differential buffer . > I have also connected the termination shown in =B3diffbuff_termination.p= ng=B2 in > differential buffer schematic. >=20=20 > Even though I have connected the required termination in schematic itself= , > the .s2i file need R_load value to be supplied. > Therefore I have used a High value resistor (R_load=3D100G ohm) in .s2i f= ile. >=20=20 > Hyperlinx =B3Check file for IBIS spec conformance=B2 gives following er= ror =8A >=20=20 > ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] > with [R_fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V > has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.08V and 0.31v, but > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields > different voltages ( 0.08V and 0.35V), > a difference of 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively. >=20=20 > What could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warning= s? >=20=20 > Please mail me if any more clarification required ,Waiting for your repli= es. > Thanks and regards > Saravanan.G >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > From: Saravanan Ganesh > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:04 PM > To: 'ibis-users@eda.org' > Subject: full differential buffer IBIS modeling >=20=20 > Hi=20 > I am creating IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a full differential buffer . > I have also connected the termination shown in =B3diffbuff_termination.p= ng=B2 in > differential buffer schematic. Therefore I took R_load =3D 100G ohm in .= s2i > file, so that only load in schematic are effective. > Hyperlinx =B3Check file for IBIS spec conformance=B2 gives following er= ror =8A >=20=20 > ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] > with [R_fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V > has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.08V and 0.31v, but > an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields > different voltages ( 0.08V and 0.35V), > a difference of 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively. >=20=20 > What could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warning= s? >=20=20 > Thanks and regards > Saravanan.G >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner , and is > believed to be clean. - --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. - --B_3482479257_9117347 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Saravanan,
The first, s2ibis3 can be used for simple single-end buffer only. It = might not be satisfied for differential buffers.

T= he second, R_load in s2i is the same as R_fixture in the IBIS file. 

The third, full/true differential pair buffer IBIS = extraction will not be handled by s2ibis3 correctly. Another word, you will= never be able to get correct IBIS models thru s2ibis3 for your full differ= ential buffers.

Hope this helps.
 <= /div>
Lance Wang
IO Methodology Inc.
978-266-8= 981

SimDE MODEL, the best IBIS m= odeling tool in the market.





From: Saravanan Ganesh <Sa= ravanan.Ganesh@onsemi.com>
Date:= Friday, May 9, 2014 at 9:55 AM
To: "ibis-users@eda.org"= <ibis-users@eda.org>
Subject: [IBIS-Users] full different= ial buffer IBIS modeling ---clarification

Hi

I want to  brief on the R_load  I am using<= o:p>

 

I am creating  IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a full diffe= rential buffer .

I have also  con= nected the termination shown in “diffbuff_termination.png” in d= ifferential buffer schematic.

&n= bsp;

E= ven though I have connected the required termination in schematic itself , = the .s2i file need R_load value to be supplied.

Therefore I have used a High= value resistor (R_load=3D100G ohm) in .s2i file.

 

Hyperlinx &#= 8220;Check file for IBIS spec conformance”  gives following &nbs= p;error …

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] <= /o:p>

      with [R= _fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V

      has MAX column DC endpoints o= f  0.08V and  0.31v, but

&nb= sp;     an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V t= ables yields

    &= nbsp; different voltages ( 0.08V and  0.35V),

      a difference of  0.01% a= nd 16.09%, respectively.

 

What could be wrong? What can I do = to get rid of these errors and warnings?

 <= /o:p>

Please mail me if any more clarification required ,Waiting= for your replies.

Thanks and regards

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Saravanan= .G

 

 

From: Saravanan Ganesh
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:04 PM
To: 'ibis-users@eda.org'
Subject: full = differential buffer IBIS modeling

 

Hi

I am creating  IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a = full differential buffer .

I have also=  connected the termination shown in “diffbuff_termination.png&#= 8221; in differential buffer schematic. Therefore  I took R_load =3D 1= 00G ohm in .s2i file, so that only load in schematic are effective.

Hyperlinx “Check file for IBIS spec con= formance”  gives following  error …

 

ERROR: Mode= l OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform]

&= nbsp;     with [R_fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fi= xture_max]=3D0.22V

   &= nbsp;  has MAX column DC endpoints of  0.08V and  0.31v, but=

      an equ= ivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages ( 0.08V a= nd  0.35V),

   &nb= sp;  a difference of  0.01% and 16.09%, respectively. =

 <= /strong>

What could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warni= ngs?

 

Thanks and regards<= o:p>

Saravanan.G


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buffer IBIS modeling ---clarification - --_004_3BCB40031507A5489A4F9DCBF414F27A407E060CONWATER51Madons_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3BCB40031507A5489A4F9DCBF414F27A407E060CONWATER51Madons_" - --_000_3BCB40031507A5489A4F9DCBF414F27A407E060CONWATER51Madons_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I want to brief on the R_load I am using I am creating IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a full differential buffer . I have also connected the termination shown in "diffbuff_termination.png" = in differential buffer schematic. Even though I have connected the required termination in schematic itself ,= the .s2i file need R_load value to be supplied. Therefore I have used a High value resistor (R_load=3D100G ohm) in .s2i fil= e. Hyperlinx "Check file for IBIS spec conformance" gives following error ... ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.08V and 0.31v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages ( 0.08V and 0.35V), a difference of 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively. What could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warnings? Please mail me if any more clarification required ,Waiting for your replies. Thanks and regards Saravanan.G From: Saravanan Ganesh Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:04 PM To: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Subject: full differential buffer IBIS modeling Hi I am creating IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a full differential buffer . I have also connected the termination shown in "diffbuff_termination.png" = in differential buffer schematic. Therefore I took R_load =3D 100G ohm in = .s2i file, so that only load in schematic are effective. Hyperlinx "Check file for IBIS spec conformance" gives following error ... ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] with [R_fixture]=3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V has MAX column DC endpoints of 0.08V and 0.31v, but an equivalent load applied to the model's I-V tables yields different voltages ( 0.08V and 0.35V), a difference of 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively. What could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warnings? Thanks and regards Saravanan.G - --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. - --_000_3BCB40031507A5489A4F9DCBF414F27A407E060CONWATER51Madons_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi <= /p>

I want to  brief = on the R_load  I am using

 

I am creating  IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a fu= ll differential buffer .

I have also  connected the termination shown in= “diffbuff_termination.png” in differential buffer schematic.

 

Even though I have con= nected the required termination in schematic itself , the .s2i file need R_= load value to be supplied.

Therefore I have used = a High value resistor (R_load=3D100G ohm) in .s2i file.

 

Hyperlinx “Check file for IBIS spec conformanc= e”  gives following  error …

 

ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] =

      with [R_fixture]= =3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V

      has MAX column DC end= points of  0.08V and  0.31v, but

      an equivalent load ap= plied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages ( = 0.08V and  0.35V),

      a difference of = 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively.

 

W= hat could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warnings?<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

P= lease mail me if any more clarification required ,Waiting for your replies.

T= hanks and regards

S= aravanan.G

 

 

From: Saravana= n Ganesh
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:04 PM
To: 'ibis-users@eda.org'
Subject: full differential buffer IBIS modeling

 

Hi

I am creating  IBIS model (Version 3.2) of a fu= ll differential buffer .

I have also  connected the termination shown in= “diffbuff_termination.png” in differential buffer schematic. T= herefore  I took R_load =3D 100G ohm in .s2i file, so that only load i= n schematic are effective.

Hyperlinx “Check file for IBIS spec conformanc= e”  gives following  error …

 

ERROR: Model OUTPUT_DIF: The [Rising Waveform] =

      with [R_fixture]= =3D1e+011 Ohms and [V_fixture_max]=3D0.22V

      has MAX column DC end= points of  0.08V and  0.31v, but

      an equivalent load ap= plied to the model's I-V tables yields

      different voltages ( = 0.08V and  0.35V),

      a difference of = 0.01% and 16.09%, respectively.

 

W= hat could be wrong? What can I do to get rid of these errors and warnings?<= o:p>

<= o:p> 

T= hanks and regards

S= aravanan.G


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09:08:44 +0530 From: Bala Sekar Subject: [IBIS-Users] Pin Error - --_b6754e29-c054-473b-a0f9-af3d1852b6d4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir, i'm new to ibis tool we use s2ibis3 version when i convert it = to .ibis file. If we add one output pin like this | spice_node signal_name model_name [Pin] out DP out OUTPUT=20 - -> in in DIN in dummy gnd gnd gnd GND vdd25 vdd25 vdd25 POWER " NO ERROR " Occur. But we add two Output pin like this=20 | spice_node signal_name model_name [Pin] out_dp DP out_dp OUTPUT_DP=20 - -> in out_dn DN out_dn OUTPUT_DN - -> in in DIN in dummy gnd gnd gnd GND vdd25 vdd25 vdd25 POWER It shows an "ERROR" "This Model Needs PullupData .. CurrentPin is .. out_dp Do the TYP run in GenerateVITable=20 Starting Spectre job with input putout_dp.spi Error java.io.FileNotFoundException: putout_dp.out (No such file or directo= ry) Error in running Spectre Error in running Spectre A spice engine needed to run s2ibis3 is missing. Check s2ibis3.log to get more information". But if we run with a single model and with single output pin no error occur= =20 please help me to clear this error. =20 Thanks & Regards, Bala Sekar =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 - --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. - --_b6754e29-c054-473b-a0f9-af3d1852b6d4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear sir,
   &= nbsp;         i'm new to ibis tool = we use s2ibis3 version when i convert it to .ibis file.

If we add on= e output pin like this

|     spice_node &nb= sp;   signal_name     model_name
[Pin]
= out            DP&nb= sp;           out &n= bsp;           OUTPUT -> in
in          = DIN            in&n= bsp;            = ; dummy
gnd           = gnd            gnd&n= bsp;            GND<= br>vdd25         vdd25  &= nbsp;       vdd25    &nbs= p;      POWER

" NO ERROR " Occur.

Bu= t we add two Output pin like this
|      =    spice_node      signal_name &nbs= p;    model_name
[Pin]
out_dp   &nbs= p;   DP         &nbs= p;   out_dp         = OUTPUT_DP
-> in
out_dn      = ; DN            = ; out_dn          OUTPUT_DN-> in
in         &n= bsp; DIN            = in            &= nbsp; dummy
gnd          gn= d            gnd&nbs= p;            GNDvdd25        vdd25   &nb= sp;      vdd25      =      POWER
It shows an "ERROR"
"This Model Needs = PullupData ..
CurrentPin is .. out_dp
Do the TYP run in GenerateVITab= le
Starting Spectre job with input putout_dp.spi
Error java.io.FileN= otFoundException: putout_dp.out (No such file or directory)
Error in run= ning Spectre
Error in running Spectre

A spice engine needed to ru= n s2ibis3 is missing.
Check s2ibis3.log to get more information".
But= if we run with a single model and with single output pin no error occur please help me to clear this error.

 
Thanks & Regards,
Bala Sekar

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