From owner-ibis Mon Apr 7 15:49:49 1997 Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (A17-254-0-52.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA27942 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scv3.apple.com (A17-128-100-121.apple.com [17.128.100.121]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20700 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:45:38 -0700 Received: from [17.206.40.76] (hangloose.apple.com [17.206.40.76]) by scv3.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA25044 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:50:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199704072250.PAA25044@scv3.apple.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 15:47:49 -0000 x-sender: floresca@pop.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Fred Floresca To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" From owner-ibis Tue Apr 8 15:23:58 1997 Received: from zoom.bga.com (root@zoom.realtime.net [205.238.128.40]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id PAA21751 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russellr.bga.com (apm1-88.realtime.net [205.238.146.88]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA08670 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 17:21:56 -0500 Message-ID: <334AE26F.4AF1@staktek.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:27:27 -0700 From: Russell Rapport Organization: Staktek X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: s2ibis for the PC X-URL: http://www.veribest.com/sales\products\new\VBSA\s2ibis_read.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a version of the s2ibis program available for the PC? I have version 1.0 from NCSU, but the tryme.txt files generate an error message about IBIS versions and I cannot get enough documentation to get it running. Can anyone help? Thanks. From owner-ibis Tue Apr 8 20:41:22 1997 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA26959 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id UAA05477 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:39:22 -0700 Received: from nakul.cadence.com(158.140.126.64) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma860557160.005465; Tue Apr 8 20:39:20 1997 Received: (from presi@localhost) by nakul.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id JAA05540 for ibis-users@vhdl.org; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:05:47 +0531 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:05:47 +0531 From: R Sanjeev Message-Id: <199704090334.JAA05540@nakul.cadence.com> To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: Min/Max values for BIMOS technology X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hi, Although IBIS describes the min/typ/max conditions for CMOS and BJT what should I use in a design that uses BIMOS? Should I just simulate and take the extremes values for the output currents? The curve in most cases has BJT dominating but there is a region of voltage where both BJT and MOS are active and they seem to cancell the temp effects so in this region I get the min/typ/max values very close to each other and often crossing each other. What I should do about this? What is the correct method to measure min/max values in case of BIMOS devices. Thanx a lot, regards, presi From owner-ibis Thu Apr 10 10:10:44 1997 Received: from icx.com (root@fw.icx.com [205.238.6.33]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA05076 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by icx.com (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.2) id ; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:08 PDT Received: by icx.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.14) id ; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:08 PDT Received: by icx.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.14) id ; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:09 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:09 PDT From: bob@icx.com ( Bob Ross) To: ibis-users@vhdl.org, presi@cadence.com Subject: Re: Min/Max values for BIMOS technology Presi: You are correct that IBIS does not address BIMOS technology. The approach I recommend is to go with the dominant characteristics of the particular device. As you describe, if the dominant characteristics are determined by the BJT output stage, than use BJT conditions. Another approach might be to try both the CMOS and BJT conditions and then assume the technology (and conditons) that gives the largest worst case [Ramp] dV/dt_r and dV/dt_f min and max values because analysis corners are very sensitve to time transition variables. Best Regards, Bob Ross Interconnectix > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:05:47 +0531 > From: R Sanjeev > Message-Id: <199704090334.JAA05540@nakul.cadence.com> > To: ibis-users@vhdl.org > Subject: Min/Max values for BIMOS technology > Hi, > Although IBIS describes the min/typ/max conditions for CMOS and BJT > what should I use in a design that uses BIMOS? Should I just simulate > and take the extremes values for the output currents? The curve in most > cases has BJT dominating but there is a region of voltage where both > BJT and MOS are active and they seem to cancell the temp effects so in > this region I get the min/typ/max values very close to each other and > often crossing each other. > What I should do about this? What is the correct method to measure > min/max values in case of BIMOS devices. > Thanx a lot, > regards, > presi From owner-ibis Fri Apr 11 13:57:53 1997 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA03817 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA04417; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ecad2.corp.mot.com (ECAD2.corp.mot.com [199.2.141.202]) by pobox.mot.com (8.7.6/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA07564; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704112055.PAA07564@pobox.mot.com> Received: by ecad2.corp.mot.com (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA194593456; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:17:36 -0500 From: Mayura Ladwa Subject: Example ECL driver/receiver model To: si-list@silab.Eng.Sun.COM, ibis-users@vhdl.org Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:17:36 CDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 111.1] If anyone has come across an example of an IBIS model of an ECL part on the web can you please point me to that site. Thanks in advance. Regards, Mayura From owner-ibis Sat Apr 12 18:12:29 1997 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA01814 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linda.teleport.com (linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05932; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from zeelan@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA20061; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Zeelan Technology X-Sender: zeelan@linda.teleport.com To: Mayura Ladwa cc: si-list@silab.Eng.Sun.COM, ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: Re: Example ECL driver/receiver model In-Reply-To: <199704112055.PAA07564@pobox.mot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Mayura Ladwa. Zeelan Technology has many digital signal integrity models for ECL parts based on measuring the actual ECL parts from Motorola, National and Philips that match a variety of simulator engine topologies for both IBM PC and UNIX computer platforms. Zeelan Technology's web site is located at: http://www.zeelan.com Sincerely, George Opsahl Zeelan Technology A Mentor Graphics Corporation company Email: george@zeelan.com |------------------------------------------------------------------| | Zeelan Technology Web Page: http://www.zeelan.com | | 8005 SW Boeckman Road Email: george@zeelan.com | | Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 FAX: 503-685-1001 | | Telephone: 503-685-1000 | |------------------------------------------------------------------| On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Mayura Ladwa wrote: > If anyone has come across an example of an IBIS model of an ECL part on the web can you please point me to that site. > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > Mayura > From owner-ibis Tue Apr 15 13:02:04 1997 Received: from natsemi-bh.nsc.com (natsemi-bh.nsc.com [204.163.202.66]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA05722 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natsemi-bh.nsc.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id MAA00940; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:58:29 -0700 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by natsemi-bh.nsc.com via smap (3.2) id xma000702; Tue, 15 Apr 97 12:58:03 -0700 Received: from lightning.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA13878 for ibis-users@vhdl.org; Tue, 15 Apr 97 12:59:23 -0700 Received: from kural by rockie.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06798; Tue, 15 Apr 97 13:02:34 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 13:02:34 PDT From: huq@rockie.nsc.com (Syed Huq) Message-Id: <9704152002.AA06798@rockie.nsc.com> To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: s2ibis2 and spectre issue -(resending) Cc: bob@icx.com ----- Begin Included Message ----- From huq Mon Apr 14 11:35:49 1997 To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: s2ibis2 and spectre issue Cc: huq Hi, I am trying to create an IBIS model from spectre simulation using s2ibis2 v1.1. I tried running on Solaris and also on SunOS and I get the same output. Below is an extracted portion of the pct12.spi file for a [Power Clamp] test. The .ibs file creates zero entries in the voltage col. and no data for the current col. I see the same issue with the gct12.spi files too. Has anyone seen this or can point me to the right direction ? Regards, Syed National Semiconductor Corp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ... extracted from pct12.spi file..... simulator lang=spectre VOUTS2I 2 0 vsource type=dc dc=0 VCLMPS2I pwr 0 vsource type=dc dc=5 VGCLMPS2I gnd 0 vsource type=dc dc=0 VENAS2I 1 0 vsource type=dc dc=0 VINS2I 3 0 vsource type=dc dc=5 setTemp options temp=27 saveOptions options save=selected DCsweep dc dev=VOUTS2I param=dc start=5 stop=10 step=0.1 save=selected save VOUTS2I:currents .....extracted from the .ibs file ...... [POWER_clamp] | voltage I(typ) I(min) I(max) | 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA 0.00 NA NA NA .....extracted from the pct12.out file... Plotname: DC Analysis `DCsweep': VOUTS2I:dc = (5 V -> 10 V) Flags: real No. Variables: 3 No. Points: 51 Variables: 0 dc V 1 VOUTS2I:n A plot=0 grid=0 2 VOUTS2I:p A plot=0 grid=0 Values: 0 5 3.61727400555672e-11 -3.61727400555672e-11 1 5.1 3.84827404770992e-11 -3.84827404770992e-11 2 5.2 6.14459902471333e-11 -6.14459902471333e-11 3 5.3 8.1429235620727e-10 -8.1429235620727e-10 4 5.4 3.07248568348496e-08 -3.07248568348496e-08 ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-ibis Wed Apr 16 05:24:14 1997 Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id FAA21335 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us8rmc.bb.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) id IAA05986; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WRKSYS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by us8rmc.bb.dec.com (5.65/rmc-17Jan97) id AA04391; Wed, 16 Apr 97 08:14:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 08:14:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9704161214.AA04391@us8rmc.bb.dec.com> From: ingraham@wrksys.ENET.dec.com (Andy Ingraham) To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Cc: INGRAHAM@US8RMC.bb.dec.com Subject: Re: s2ibis2 and spectre issue -(resending) Gee, I haven't used Spectre in quite a long time ... but I thought it was a very different simulator than Spice; also generating output in a distinctly different format than Spice. If s2ibis2 expects the simulator's output in a particular, Spice-like format, I might anticipate problems. Regards, Andy From owner-ibis Wed Apr 16 05:57:34 1997 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id FAA21816 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id FAA25918; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:55:25 -0700 Received: from nakul.cadence.com(158.140.126.64) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma861195322.025886; Wed Apr 16 05:55:22 1997 Received: (from presi@localhost) by nakul.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id SAA10833; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:21:36 +0531 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:21:36 +0531 From: R Sanjeev Message-Id: <199704161250.SAA10833@nakul.cadence.com> To: ingraham@wrksys.enet.dec.com Subject: Re: s2ibis2 and spectre issue -(resending) Cc: ibis-users@vhdl.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hi, What Andy says about Spectre is true. It does have an output format different than Spice. BUT s2ibis is SUPPOSED to take care of that. I've run example programs in Spectre that came along with s2ibis2 and these worked fine. I think there is some other problem. Can you pass on the Spectre input file so I could test it out myself. Thanx and regards, presi From owner-ibis Wed Apr 16 07:08:58 1997 Received: from dxmint.cern.ch (dxmint.cern.ch [137.138.26.76]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA22956 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dsy-srv3.cern.ch (dsy-srv3.cern.ch [137.138.128.23]) by dxmint.cern.ch with SMTP id QAA10802; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:03:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sunmarco.cern.ch by dsy-srv3.cern.ch (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.0) id QAA26139; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:03:35 +0200 From: fzanogue@dsy-srv3.cern.ch (Zanogue Maria-Francisca) Received: by sunmarco.cern.ch (SMI-8.6/client-1.5) id QAA13389; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:03:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:03:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199704161403.QAA13389@sunmarco.cern.ch> To: ingraham@wrksys.enet.dec.com, presi@cadence.com Subject: Re: s2ibis2 and spectre issue -(resending) Cc: ibis-users@vhdl.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hello, I agree with Presi that this is not a problem with Spectre but with s2ibis2, as I had the same problem using s2ibis2 with Pspice. The intermediate files looked OK, but the .ibs file was crazy. I haven't been able to solve it yet, so if you find the solution please let me know. Regards, Francisca. > From owner-ibis@vhdl.vhdl.org Wed Apr 16 15:54 MET 1997 > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:21:36 +0531 > To: ingraham@wrksys.enet.dec.com > Subject: Re: s2ibis2 and spectre issue -(resending) > Cc: ibis-users@vhdl.org > X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 362 > X-Lines: 11 > > Hi, > > What Andy says about Spectre is true. It does have an output format > different than Spice. > BUT s2ibis is SUPPOSED to take care of that. I've run example programs > in Spectre that came along with s2ibis2 and these worked fine. I think > there is some other problem. Can you pass on the Spectre input file so > I could test it out myself. > > Thanx and regards, > presi > From owner-ibis Wed Apr 16 08:45:33 1997 Received: from tcemail.indy.tce.com (inet-gw.indy.tce.com [157.254.232.6]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA24449 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tcemail.indy.tce.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id KAA29644 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cts2.indy.tce.com(157.254.98.70) by seawall.indy.tce.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029634; Wed Apr 16 10:42:29 1997 Received: by MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <335501B3@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM>; Wed, 16 Apr 97 11:43:31 EST From: Girma Nebiyou To: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: s2spice2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 09:33:00 EST Message-ID: <335501B3@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM> Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I have downloaded the s2spice2 program from the ftp site and got a couple of directories full of files (windows, wvoffice). I was wondering how I would go about using the program. What do I need to type...etc etc. thank you Nebiyou From owner-ibis Wed Apr 16 14:51:13 1997 Received: from tcemail.indy.tce.com (inet-gw.indy.tce.com [157.254.232.6]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA00994 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tcemail.indy.tce.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id QAA14457 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from cts2.indy.tce.com(157.254.98.70) by seawall.indy.tce.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014436; Wed Apr 16 16:48:28 1997 Received: by MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <33555783@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM>; Wed, 16 Apr 97 17:49:39 EST From: Girma Nebiyou To: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: RE: s2spice2 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 16:42:00 EST Message-ID: <33555783@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM> Encoding: 24 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 pls disregard the earlier question. thank you ---------- From: Girma Nebiyou Sent: Wednesday,April 16,1997 9:33 AM To: 'ibis-users@vhdl.org' Subject: s2spice2 I have downloaded the s2spice2 program from the ftp site and got a couple of directories full of files (windows, wvoffice). I was wondering how I would go about using the program. What do I need to type...etc etc. thank you Nebiyou From owner-ibis Mon Apr 21 11:21:50 1997 Received: from eci-esyst.com (callisto.eci-esyst.com [205.129.215.2]) by vhdl.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA29507 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eci-esyst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16900; Mon, 21 Apr 97 14:19:20 EDT Received: from www.eci-esyst.com(198.135.69.2) by callisto.eci-esyst.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016898; Mon Apr 21 14:19:03 1997 Received: from callisto (rodney.eci.esys.com) by eci.esys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03397; Mon, 21 Apr 97 14:14:15 EDT Received: from qmgate.eci-esyst.com by callisto (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14163; Mon, 21 Apr 97 14:17:09 EDT Message-Id: Date: 21 Apr 1997 14:16:52 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" Subject: IBIS Users group To: "IBIS users group" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by vhdl.vhdl.org id LAA29508 REGARDING IBIS Users group Please add my name to the e-mail reflector list for the IBIS users group. Thank you, Bob Meyer rwmc@eci-esyst.com Lead Engineer, PCB Models Group Raytheon E-Systems, St. Petersburg From owner-ibis Thu Apr 24 14:38:19 1997 Received: from tcemail.indy.tce.com (inet-gw.indy.tce.com [157.254.232.6]) by server.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA00324 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tcemail.indy.tce.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id LAA23117 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cts2.indy.tce.com(157.254.98.70) by seawall.indy.tce.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023084; Thu Apr 24 11:46:57 1997 Received: by MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <335F9E0D@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM>; Thu, 24 Apr 97 12:53:17 EST From: Girma Nebiyou To: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: s2ibis Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 11:43:00 EST Message-ID: <335F9E0D@MSMAIL.INDY.TCE.COM> Encoding: 4 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 are there any s2ibis programs for operating systems other than unix? From owner-ibis Tue Apr 29 18:06:59 1997 Received: from ormail.intel.com (ormail.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by server.vhdl.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA12534 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.jf.intel.com (relay.jf.intel.com [134.134.131.6]) by ormail.intel.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA18856 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ccmgate@localhost) by relay.jf.intel.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA14945 for ibis-users@vhdl.org; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ccm.hf.intel.com (ccmgate 3.2 #8) Tue, 29 Apr 97 18:06:16 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 08:32:00 PDT From: Chee Yee Chung Message-ID: To: ibis-users@vhdl.org Subject: To subcribe