From owner-ibis Fri Feb 5 08:54:37 1999 Received: from mud.ssec.honeywell.com (mud.ssec.honeywell.com [129.30.62.69]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA09421 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssec.honeywell.com (brand@loopback.ssec.honeywell.com [127.0.0.1]) by mud.ssec.honeywell.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.1) id KAA06198 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:48:58 -0600 (CST) Sender: brand@ssec.honeywell.com Message-ID: <36BB20F8.EF0DD34E@ssec.honeywell.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:48:57 -0600 From: Dave Brand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/782) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Problems running s2ibis2 on HP with ELDO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I think I can pose this question here. I am trying to run s2ibis2 on an HP C200 with 10.20 operating system using the latest version (v1.1) of s2ibis2. The code has been modified to allow it to run ELDO (Mentor Graphics Accusim kernel) as a spicetype option. I got the code from Mentor with the understanding that the code had NOT been verified on an HP. The program works till it gets to the a/b001 file series and gives a segmentation fault as shown below. s2ibis2: [Iterate] set and file b001.out exists. Skipping run. Trying to open file b001.out Segmentation fault (core dumped) Any ideas on what to try? I am down in the C code trying to debug it, but not getting very far. Maybe someone has this version of the code working using an HP and ELDO that is willing to share it? Thanks in advance, Dave Brand - email address is listed below ======================================================================= Dave Brand Honeywell Solid State Electronics Center 612-954-2122 FAX:954-ASIC MN14-3C15 12001 State Hwy 55 E-mail:brand@ssec.honeywell.com Plymouth, MN 55441-4799 ======================================================================= From owner-ibis Mon Feb 8 02:22:20 1999 Received: from mex.italtel.it (mex.italtel.it [138.132.53.99]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA14456 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: .(iltws72 [138.132.52.82]) by mex.italtel.it (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA08321 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:15:30 +0100 (MET) Received: .(localhost [127.0.0.1]) by iltws72.settimo.italtel.it (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA10834 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:12:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by iltwd03.settimo.italtel.it (5.65/sal-941220); id AA21881; Mon, 8 Feb 99 11:09:00 +0100 Received: by ic8u32.settimo.italtel.it; id AA27954; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:23:38 +0100 Received: from ic89h22.settimo.italtel.it (localhost.settimo.italtel.it [127.0.0.1]) by ic8wh18.settimo.italtel.it with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA16482 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:17:02 +0100 (MET) Sender: comps@ic8wh18.settimo.italtel.it Message-Id: <36BEB99C.693E5020@ic89h22.settimo.italtel.it> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 11:17:01 +0100 From: comps Organization: Italtel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: IBIS model file name in ibischk 3.2 preliminary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A98DA8835B3AD955F43D9A68" --------------A98DA8835B3AD955F43D9A68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STATEMENT OF THE ISSUE: The file name of IBIS models are currenty changed from 8 characters (more .ibs extension) in length until version 3.1, to 24 characters (including the extension) in lenghts in new version 3.2. The new preliminary executables for ibischk3 Version 3.2 check IBIS model file name but limited to 10 characters (more .ibs extension). If file name have more ten characters, ibischk3 Version 3.2 write: IBISCHK3 V3.2.2(preliminary) ERROR - File Name Requires '.ibs' Extension. Is possibile correct this error in the OFFICIAL EXECUTABLES FOR ibischk3 Version 3.2 ? Thank you. Aurora Spenga -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Spenga Aurora ITALTEL S.p.A. - RF-IP-SEC - C17 ============= Address: Via R. Romoli,6 - 20019 Settimo Milanese (MI) Italy Phone: +39.2.43889056 Fax: +39.2.43888221 mailto: Aurora.Spenga@italtel.it _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ --------------A98DA8835B3AD955F43D9A68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STATEMENT OF THE ISSUE:

The file name of IBIS models are currenty changed from 8 characters (more .ibs extension) in length until version 3.1, to 24 characters (including the extension) in lenghts in new version 3.2.
The new preliminary executables for ibischk3 Version 3.2 check IBIS model file name but limited to 10 characters (more .ibs extension). If file name have more ten characters, ibischk3 Version 3.2 write:
    IBISCHK3 V3.2.2(preliminary)
    ERROR - File Name Requires '.ibs' Extension.
Is possibile correct this error in the OFFICIAL EXECUTABLES FOR ibischk3 Version 3.2 ?
Thank you.
Aurora Spenga 

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--------------A98DA8835B3AD955F43D9A68-- From owner-ibis Thu Feb 11 14:58:43 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA01614; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id OAA21065; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id OAA11333; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA23637; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:52:59 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:52:59 PST Message-Id: <9902112252.AA23637@bob> To: ibis-users@eda.org, ibis@eda.org, si-list@silab.eng.sun.com Subject: EUROPEAN IBIS SUMMIT MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT To All: This is a second announcement of the second European IBIS Summit Meeting. Last year we had a very successful European IBIS Summit Meeting. This year we are holding again a meeting along with DATE99 on Tuesday, March 9, 1999. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is open to everyone and will start with a Lunch at Noon to allow some attendees to arrive in Munich that morning. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register and also to submit presentations. Best Regards Bob Ross Mentor Graphics E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G S E C O N D A N N O U N C E M E N T Time/Date: 12 PM - 6 PM, Tuesday, March 9, 1999 Location: ASTRON HOTEL/Neue Messe Eggenfeldener Strasse 100 Munich, Germany This is a hotel near the DATE99 Conference Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Sponsors: Mentor Graphics, INCASES DATE99 Show: DATE99 - March 9 - 12, 1999. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day before the DATE99 trade show begins. Location: International Congress Center, Munich, Germany See www.date-conference.com for more information. PCB Symposium: An all day symposium is scheduled Thursday, March 11, 1999, on PCB design issues, on site at DATE99. BACKGROUND Last year we had a very successful European IBIS Summit Meeting. This year we plan to expand the scope to include: Submitted Presentations on IBIS Topics (See below) Less formal Ad Hoc Presentations and Discussions IBIS Questions and Answers Below is an invitation to register and also to submit presentations. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, February 26, 1999): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Karine Loudet (karine_loudet@mentor.com) +33 1 40 94 74 54 TENTATIVE AGENDA TOPICS TO DATE (More are Welcome): 12:00: LUNCH (Provided to all participants) 13:00 - 18:00 MEETING Current IBIS Activities and Issues Bob Ross, Mentor Graphics IBIS Version 3.2 Update Stephen Peters, Intel IBIS Future Requirements Stephen Peters, Intel Validation of IBIS Based Two Waveform Behavioral Models Bernhard Unger, Siemens AG (Possible Presentation on IBIS Library Development Topic) Siemens General Questions and Discussions - IBIS Interpretation - Future Requirements - Any other topic of interest Ad Hoc Presentations CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS We are seeking presentations from individuals who have IBIS experiences or issues. Some suggested subjects of interest are: IBIS Model Development Experiences Generating IBIS Models Validating IBIS Models Future IBIS Requirements EMC/EMI IBIS Issues Format of Presentation: Overhead Projections Time: 15-30 Minutes Electronic Archival: We request electronic versions so that the presentations can be archived and also made available to non-attendees. Formats used in the past have been text, Power Point, Word, Postscript, and Acrobat. Electronic presentations should be made available by February 26, 1999. Otherwise the presentor will be expected to provide 50 copies for distribution. If you plan a presentation, please supply Title: Presenter: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Estimate Time: Send this to: Bob Ross (bob_ross@mentor.com) FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Bob Ross, Chair, EIA/IBIS Open Forum Mentor Graphics 8005 S.W. Boeckman Road Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 USA (503) 685-0732 bob_ross@mentor.com From owner-ibis Thu Feb 18 08:29:31 1999 Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA24381; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: gedlund@us.ibm.com Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA25522; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:24:52 -0500 Received: from D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com (d51mta10.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.38]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.8.7m1/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id LAA64060; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:23:37 -0500 Received: by D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525671C.005A0C1D ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:23:33 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: ibis@vhdl.org, ibis-users@vhdl.org, si-list@silab.eng.sun.com Message-ID: <8525671C.005A0ACE.00@D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:23:52 -0600 Subject: IBIS Accuracy Specification First Draft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (OK, so nobody is interviewing us - but we thought some of you might be interested in this "press release.") First Draft of IBIS Accuracy Specification Unveiled at DesignCon99 February 1, 1999 - A group of engineers from system and semiconductor companies has been working for the past year on a specification that would allow an IBIS datasheet (model) provider to document the results of lab correlation. This new effort is called the "IBIS Accuracy Specification," and we presented our first draft at the DesignCon99 IBIS Summit. The documents are available on the IBIS web site at www.eigroup.org/ibis/ibis.htm under the heading "Accuracy Info." The intention of this specification is to offer the IBIS user a quantitative method for assessing the accuracy of an IBIS datasheet. The user can then make a data-driven decision about whether or not an IBIS datasheet and the component it represents are appropriate for the design application. The IBIS Accuracy Specification is a potentially powerful tool for specifying the purchase of semiconductor components. The basic idea is this: the IBIS modeling engineer measures a set of test loads called out in the spec and compares the results against SPICE "golden waveforms" that are embedded in the IBIS datasheet (model). The modeling engineer then applies a metric that quantifies the comparison and places the metric results in the IBIS datasheet as comments. The user can then run a comparison against the same "golden waveforms" using the behavioral simulator of his or her own choosing. So we have established a link between behavioral simulation results and the actual hardware the IBIS datasheet is supposed to represent. We invite the IBIS and signal integrity communities to review the IBIS Accuracy Specification and offer their comments and suggestions. Please send them to ibis-users@eda.org. This document is a work-in-progress; we are already working on revision 1.2. It is our intention to take the specification before the Electronic Industries Alliance for approval as a formal industry standard in 1999. Furthermore, we would like to invite any of you who has an interest in IBIS accuracy to join us in an open teleconference call beginning February 26, 1999. This call will be held the every third week one week after the regular IBIS Open Forum call. A formal announcement will be posted to the IBIS reflector after the February 19 IBIS Open Forum conference call. (You may join the reflector by sending email to ibis-request@eda.org.) The accuracy working group will address four main topics: 1) amending IBIS to include new golden waveforms 2) revising the IBIS Accuracy Specification to 1.2 3) pursuing EIA approval 4) expanding the scope to cover contemporary I/O buffer designs. As IBIS users, you may also be interested in a test board that we designed as a companion to the specification. It demonstrates test structures that implement the measurements called out by the specification. You can down-load the schematics, Gerbers, and Cadence design source files. The board design is public domain, and we encourage you to build your own copy or even change the design. Please read the errata first. From owner-ibis Mon Feb 22 09:12:27 1999 Received: from mail.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA11189 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tensor ([192.168.148.75]) by mail.hyperlynx.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27417; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:06:59 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990222090659.00b0b120@hyperwall> X-Sender: mbflora@hyperwall X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:06:59 -0100 To: ibis-users@eda.org From: Matthew Flora Subject: Spice to IBIS tool Cc: Idan.Rahat@nsc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Idan, I am forwarding your question to the IBIS User's Group reflector. Perhaps one of the subscribers will be able to answer your question. Regards, Matthew Flora IBIS Open Forum Secretary (425) 869-2320 PH (425) 881-1008 FAX mbflora@hyperlynx.com HyperLynx, 17641 NE 67th Court, Redmond, WA 98052 USA > Sender: idanra@taux01.nsc.com > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:55:27 +0200 > From: Idan Rahat > Organization: NSTA > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) > X-Accept-Language: en > To: ibis-info@eda.org > Subject: Spice to IBIS tool > > Hi, > > Does any one has a Spice-to-IBIS tool that is newer than s2ibis2 ??? > > Regards, > Idan -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Idan Rahat > Circuit Design Engineer, NSTA > Tel : 972-9-9702-206 > Fax: 972-9-9702-001 > mailto:Idan.Rahat@nsc.com > Web: http://www.national.co.il > ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-ibis Mon Feb 22 18:52:24 1999 Received: from relay1.wv.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA12834; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com by relay1.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40F) id SAA23975; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob by em-wv03.wv.mentorg.com (8.8.8/CF5.40R) id SAA23521; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: bob_ross@mentorg.com (Bob Ross) Received: by bob (4.1/CF5.23L) id AA01898; Mon, 22 Feb 99 18:46:38 PST Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 18:46:38 PST Message-Id: <9902230246.AA01898@bob> To: ibis-users@eda.org, ibis@eda.org, si-list@silab.eng.sun.com Subject: EUROPEAN IBIS SUMMIT MEETING REMINDER To All: This is a third announcement of the second European IBIS Summit Meeting. Last year we had a very successful European IBIS Summit Meeting. This year we are holding again a meeting along with DATE99 on Tuesday, March 9, 1999. The purpose is to promote communication among users and developers of IBIS models in Europe. The meeting is open to everyone and will start with a Lunch at Noon to allow some attendees to arrive in Munich that morning. Below is some information on the IBIS Summit and some related events. You are invited to register. The agenda is becoming formed below: Best Regards Bob Ross Mentor Graphics E U R O P E A N I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G T H I R D A N N O U N C E M E N T Time/Date: 12 PM - 6 PM, Tuesday, March 9, 1999 Location: ASTRON HOTEL/Neue Messe Eggenfeldener Strasse 100 Munich, Germany This is a hotel near the DATE99 Conference Content: Presentations and Discussions Purpose: Solicit and Exchange IBIS Model Related Information and Ideas. Sponsors: Mentor Graphics, INCASES, High Design Technology (HDT) DATE99 Show: DATE99 - March 9 - 12, 1999. The IBIS meeting is scheduled the day before the DATE99 trade show begins. Location: International Congress Center, Munich, Germany See www.date-conference.com for more information. PCB Symposium: An all day symposium is scheduled Thursday, March 11, 1999, on PCB design issues, on site at DATE99. CALL FOR PARTICIPANTS People involved in IBIS Model development, EDA tool development, and digital circuit design are invited to participate in the European IBIS Summit meeting. If you plan to participate, please register with the information below (deadline, February 26, 1999): Name: E-mail address: Company: Telephone: Send to: Karine Loudet (karine_loudet@mentor.com) +33 1 40 94 74 54 TENTATIVE SCHEDULE TO DATE: 12:00: LUNCH (Provided to all participants) 13:00 - 18:00 MEETING Current IBIS Activities and Issues Bob Ross, Mentor Graphics Detecting Typical Bugs in IBIS Models Werner Rissiek, INCASES Engineering Validation of IBIS Based Two Waveform Behavioral Models Bernhard Unger, Siemens AG IBIS Version 3.2 Update Stephen Peters, Intel BREAK IBIS Management and CHECK at Siemens ICN Gerald Bannert, Siemens DOGEN, An Internal Model Library Management Tool Hans Pichlmaier, Siemens General Questions and Discussions - IBIS Interpretation IBIS Future Requirements Stephen Peters, Intel Unconfirmed Presentation on Future Requirements General Questions and Discussions - Future Requirements - Any other topic of interest Ad Hoc Presentations CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS Presenters: If you want copies made of your presentation, please send presentation to these addresses: karine_loudet@mentor.com bob_ross@mentor.com Deadline is Friday, February 26, 1999, but we would prefer them as early as possible to get a head start. Otherwise plan to bring 50 copies for the meeting. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Bob Ross, Chair, EIA/IBIS Open Forum Mentor Graphics 8005 S.W. Boeckman Road Wilsonville, Oregon 97070 USA (503) 685-0732 bob_ross@mentor.com From owner-ibis Tue Feb 23 10:48:15 1999 Received: from calmicro.com (zeus.calmicro.com [207.124.218.194]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA15553 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from Calmicro-Message_Server by calmicro.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:43:42 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:43:11 -0800 From: "Thang Tu" To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: IBIS Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by server.eda.org id KAA15554 My company has SPICE Models for passive components such as resistor networks and/or resistor/capacitor networks. Since I am somewhat ignorant to IBIS, I was wondering if there is any value or if it is even possible to convert these SPICE models into IBIS. From what I understand and have read, IBIS is a behavioral modeling specification for transmission line simulation of digital systems and applicable to only digital components? Please comment. Thank you. From owner-ibis Tue Feb 23 11:07:13 1999 Received: from jasper.cisco.com (jasper.cisco.com [171.69.198.63]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA15657 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from jasper.cisco.com (jasper.cisco.com [171.69.198.63]) by jasper.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13259; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:01:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902231901.LAA13259@jasper.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Syed Huq Reply-To: Syed Huq Subject: Re: IBIS Question To: ibis-users@eda.org, ThangT@calmicro.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: S8NzVyGd+5SrADYYF8NQnA== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Hello, IBISv2.1 supports the Model_type [Terminator]. Using the sub-params [Rgnd], [Rpower], [Rac] and [Cac], these networks can be modeled. If you are using s2ibis2, it does support the above keywords. Regards, Syed. Cisco Systems, Inc > > > My company has SPICE Models for passive components such as resistor networks and/or resistor/capacitor networks. Since I am somewhat ignorant to IBIS, I was wondering if there is any value or if it is even possible to convert these SPICE models into IBIS. From what I understand and have read, IBIS is a behavioral modeling specification for transmission line simulation of digital systems and applicable to only digital components? > > Please comment. > > Thank you. > > > > From owner-ibis Tue Feb 23 13:22:11 1999 Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA16204 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id VAA00813; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:16:54 GMT Received: from xtg801.pdx.intel.com (xtg801.pdx.intel.com [134.134.114.35]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: internal.m4,v 1.2 1998/11/09 19:18:37 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id NAA17617; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ichips.intel.com (loopback.pdx.intel.com [127.0.0.1]) by xtg801.pdx.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) with ESMTP id NAA00887; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902232116.NAA00887@xtg801.pdx.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "Thang Tu" cc: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: IBIS Question In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:43:11 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:52 -0800 From: Stephen Peters Hello Thang: The IBIS 2.1 specification allows you to describe terminator components such as resistor and RC networks. In addition, the latest version of the IBIS specification (IBIS 3.x) allows you to create an IBIS file for a two pin passive component. For more information, I'd suggest going to the IBIS webpage at http://www.eia.org/eig/ibis/ibis.htm. You can download a copy of the specification, as well as an IBIS modeling cookbook. For best results look thru the IBIS 2.1 spec first -- it may have what you are looking for. Regards, Stephen Peters Intel Corp. > > My company has SPICE Models for passive components such as resistor networks and/or resistor/capacitor networks. Since I am somewhat ignorant to IBIS, I was wondering if there is any value or if it is even possible to convert these SPICE models into IBIS. From what I understand and have read, IBIS is a behavioral modeling specification for transmission line simulation of digital systems and applicable to only digital components? > > Please comment. > > Thank you. > > > From owner-ibis Wed Feb 24 12:00:25 1999 Received: from wile.nesa.com ([204.240.29.30]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA20190 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by wile.nesa.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25823; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:52:58 -0500 Received: from porky.nesa.com(204.240.29.45) by wile.nesa.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025821; Wed Feb 24 14:52:37 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990224144940.00a27e40@mail.nesa.com> X-Sender: breda@mail.nesa.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:49:40 -0500 To: ibis-users@eda.org, si-list@silab.Eng.Sun.COM From: Kathy Breda Subject: IBIS Users Teleconference Friday, 2/26 8:00 AM PST/ 11:00 AM EST Cc: albert@icd.teradyne.com, Alex_Wissink@ipc.com, Andrew.Ingraham@digital.com, andrew@scs.ch, anoeth@baynetworks.com, Arpad_Muranyi@ccm.intel.com, atulapt@giascl01.vsnl.net.in, baxter@nesa.com, bclaydon@xl.com, bill.todd@txc.com, bkatz@SiSoft.com, bkatz@SiSoft.com, bobr@emicx.mentorg.com, bogatin@ansoft.com, bowhers@icd.teradyne.com, brd@merrimacind.com, breda@nesa.com, bruce@hw.stratus.com, bruce_carlile@us.newbridge.com, brunom@cadence.com, cchen@east.isi.edu, chen@nesa.com, chu@rock.enet.dec.com, coe@segosf.hlo.dec.com, cornwelg@amp.com, costas@ansoft.com, cpk@cadence.com, craiglew@cadence.com, crowell@intraserver.com, davek@hyperlynx.com, dawiens@ingr.com, dhakins@sed.stel.com, donaldt@cadence.com, douglas.burns@digital.com, eedin@convergentnet.com, Elliot.Lipin@inrange.com, emurphy@viewlogic.com, esayre@nesa.com, ewilson@ctron.com, fawn@emc.com, focustec@aol.com, frank.kern@intel.com, Gary_Husted@ccm.intel.com, Gautam_patel@tcsmail.tcs.teradyne.com, gaylor@cornet.com, gblando@hw.stratus.com, gpf@cadence.com, harunys@haselect.com, hjs@memh.ti.com, idodd@ingr.com, istvan.novak@Sun.com, jaberen@aol.com, jackie_foster_pop@baynetworks.com, jallen@ibnets.com, jaydiep@us.ibm.com, jcslater@lucent.com, jim.schooler@techmail.gdc.com, Jim_Riccio@ipc.com, jimdepriest@worldnet.att.net, joe.lajeunesse@ascend.com, joe@trilogic.com, john_siemon@siemon.com, jpatel@funies.enet.dec.com, jrokosz@po2.bbn.com, jtowey@xl.com, Karla_eignor@stratus.com, ken.weiss@Sun.com, kenw@3dfx.com, kpotvin@viewlogic.com, lawrence.derenne@digital.com, Lewis_steiner@stratus.com, lmazzitel@d-d-design.com, lwong@compunetix.com, m_ward@fairchildsemi.com, mark_gailus@tcsmail.tcs.teradyne.com, mark_gibson@mint-tech.com, mfusaro@highspeedsolutions.com, Michael_Mirmak@ccm.intel.com, Mikhail_Khusid@notes.teradyne.com, nieznansja@corning.com, Paul.Zdinak@gsnetworks.gensig.com, peter.laflamme@fairchildsemi.com, pgjr@cadence.com, pmarconi@nexabit.com, raghu@apsimtech.com, rick_newell@status.com, rjones@viewlogic.com, rlacerte@baynetworks.com, robin_jubenville@nmss.com, roselle@cadence.com, rpresti@convergentnet.com, rushbrook.eric@tcs.teradyne.com, salinger@baynetworks.com, sayre@unix.cie.rpi.edu, scottmc@teleport.com, senthil@media100.com, shi@alpo.casc.com, sjpeters@ichips.intel.com, socci@cs.lmco.com, sorna@us.ibm.com, Stephen_Miller@ne.3com.com, Steve_Mango@stratus.com, tay.ansari@Sun.com, thawkins@world.std.com, thierauf@rock.enet.dec.com, tiengn@srtc.com, tim.a.schreyer@intel.com, tim.gilbert@rss.rockwell.com, Toddw@candence.com, tomfisher@ti.com, tstroz@wlgore.com, tw@dnrc.bell-labs.com, vchang@ti.com, venu@cadence.com, Walsh@castle.drc.com, wdray@omnia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you are an IBIS user or have an interest in IBIS accuracy, you are invited to join a new conference call on Friday, February 26, from 8:00 am to 9:55 am PST (11:00 am - 12:55pm EST). This call is open to all interested parties and will be conducted in keeping with the spirit of the IBIS Open Forum conference call. One half of the call will be dedicated to the business of the IBIS Accuracy Working Group and the other half will be dedicated to general user education and curriculum development. The phone number is 1-608-250-9675, and the passcode 734362. Mentor Graphics has generously donated the phone bridge for this call, and the IBIS User's Group is very grateful. IBIS User's Group Meeting Agenda for 2/26/99 8:00 Check-in Introduction of new participants Review of previous meeting's minutes - Who will keep the minutes? Announcements Additions to the agenda 8:15 IBIS Accuracy Working Group (Does anybody like this title?) Note: The Accuracy Working Group should make decisions and assign work during this meeting. We should strive to conduct actual editing activities off-line for the sake of productivity. IBIS Accuracy Specification 1.2 revisions Greg Edlund would like to continue being editor. Organize Measurement section by buffer type to allow for expansion. Place measurement techniques in a separate sub-section to allow for expansion. Change correlation levels table and corresponding sub-sections. Move sub-sections 1.3 and 1.4 to appendix. Annotate VCX16244 IBIS datasheet with accuracy trailer. Golden Waveform BIRD We need a champion to lead this effort. Action for next meeting: generate a proposal to cover accuracy test loads. Enlist the help of IBIS veteran(s), preferably an EDA person. EIA approval Bob Haller has volunteered to lead this effort. Which version should we go to EIA with? Vote? IBIS Accuracy Specification 2.0 development Test Board Do we want to turn version 3 of the board? Standard load wiring and capacitor silk screen need fixing. Should we remove the transmission lines from the 50 Ohm loads? Should we provide a separate ground connection for the 4-point probes? Greg is on the hook to write an application note. We need to provide a parts list. Should we make more test boards for new types of I/O buffers? Other Annotate VCX16244 IBIS data sheet with accuracy trailer. Bob Ross has suggested we supply a SPICE model for the VCX16244. Work list 9:05 Education Introduction of an interested faculty member for IBIS curriculum development Schedule for the curriculum development phase Schedule for the development and delivery of on-line IBIS education Funding possibilities for curriculum and materials development 9:55 Sign-off Greg Edlund Advisory Engineer, Critical Net Analysis IBM 3650 Hwy. 52 N, Dept. 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