From owner-ibis Tue May 4 08:38:49 1999 Received: from bsf.alcatel.fr (root@laposte.bsf.alcatel.fr [193.104.128.7]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA27795 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail (mail.sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr [155.132.20.69]) by bsf.alcatel.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12820 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:37:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from messti.sxb by mail (SMI-8.6/ABS1.4) id RAA19495; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:33:07 +0200 Received: from grossebaf (grossebaf [155.132.31.166]) by messti.sxb (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05951 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr by grossebaf (SMI-8.6/ABS1.5) id RAA05733; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:54 +0200 Sender: azema@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr Message-ID: <372F1325.BBD12DB4@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:32:54 +0200 From: Frank AZEMA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: fr, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IBIS Group Questions Subject: spice convertion to ibis , help. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------492EACB8D597E3000485827C" --------------492EACB8D597E3000485827C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ibis Users, I need help to convert spice model from download manufacturer site to IBIS model. I have download the s2ibis2 software and i recompile it with the fix. I have the spectre generator and the spice3 generator. ( no hspice or spice generator : where can i find this other generator?) I can generate the examples models from the s2ibis2 software and i have understand what i need to make a pre-model file ( *.s2i) before running s2ibis2. But i don't understand the reason why it is necessary to have 2 models files : spectre.mod + buffer.sp (ex1 and other) Generally , manufacturers provide only one file which is *.mod or *.cir or *.lib but i don't know the different. Someone could help me on this topics ? I thank everyone to answer. Regards, -- Frank AZEMA ALCATEL BUSINESS SYSTEM Technical Direction 1 rt du Dr A. Schweitzer Tel:+33(0)3.88.67.77.00 67000 ILLKIRCH Cedex - France Fax:+33(0)3.88.67.70.83 Franck.Azema@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr --------------492EACB8D597E3000485827C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ibis Users,

I need help to convert spice model from download manufacturer site to IBIS model.

I have download the s2ibis2 software and i recompile it with the fix.
I have the spectre generator and the spice3 generator. ( no hspice or spice generator : where can i find this other generator?)

I can generate the examples models from the s2ibis2 software and i have understand what i need to make a pre-model file ( *.s2i) before running s2ibis2.
But i don't understand the reason why it is necessary to have 2 models files : spectre.mod + buffer.sp (ex1 and other)

Generally , manufacturers provide only one file which is *.mod or *.cir or *.lib but i don't know the different.

Someone could help me on this topics ?

I thank everyone to answer.

Regards,

-- 
Frank AZEMA                      ALCATEL BUSINESS SYSTEM
Technical Direction             1 rt du Dr A. Schweitzer
Tel:+33(0)3.88.67.77.00    67000 ILLKIRCH Cedex - France
Fax:+33(0)3.88.67.70.83  Franck.Azema@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr

--------------492EACB8D597E3000485827C-- From owner-ibis Tue May 4 10:55:42 1999 Received: from jasper.cisco.com (jasper.cisco.com [171.69.198.63]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA28232 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jasper.cisco.com (jasper.cisco.com [171.69.198.63]) by jasper.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05782; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905041749.KAA05782@jasper.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Syed Huq Reply-To: Syed Huq Subject: Re: spice convertion to ibis , help. To: ibis-users@eda.org, franck.azema@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 6ekXd6aV6pRmRzvOUlLPvQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Frank, See my responses below: > > I have download the s2ibis2 software and i recompile it with the fix. > I have the spectre generator and the spice3 generator. ( no hspice or > spice generator : where can i find this other generator?) > In your .s2i file, you have a keyword [Spice type]. This determines which SPICE engine you wish to envoke. Below is a listing of the supported SPICE engines. [Spice type] spicetype spicetype = HSpice, PSpice, Spice2, Spice3, or Spectre If you wish to use HSpice and the tool is available at your site, edit the word 'spicetype' and replace with HSpice > I can generate the examples models from the s2ibis2 software and i have > understand what i need to make a pre-model file ( *.s2i) before running > s2ibis2. > But i don't understand the reason why it is necessary to have 2 models > files : spectre.mod + buffer.sp (ex1 and other) > > Generally , manufacturers provide only one file which is *.mod or *.cir > or *.lib but i don't know the different. > Typically the .sp file has the nodal information. THis can be equiv to a .cir file or a .ckt file as well. Within the .sp file, you can call out your libraries and subcircuits. All these various types of extension simply point to all the various flavors of SPICE we have, each using it's own definations. The .mod file is where all your process information are stored. Sometimes, a manufacturer can combine all this in one file like you mentioned. Hope this helps. Regards, Syed Cisco Systems, Inc From owner-ibis Tue May 4 14:47:00 1999 Received: from mpdgw2.symbios.com (mpdgw2.symbios.com [204.131.200.2]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id OAA29029 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mpdgw2.symbios.com (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id PAA21306 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:40:47 -0600 Received: from aztec.co.lsil.com(153.72.199.214) by mpdgw2.symbios.com via smap (V1.3) id sma021286; Tue May 4 15:40:30 1999 Received: from exc-colorado.co.lsil.com (exccolorado.co.lsil.com [153.72.104.182]) by Symbios.COM (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA14342 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:40:29 -0600 Received: by exccolorado.co.lsil.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <25P7P1KT>; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:37:32 -0600 Message-ID: <2ADA45B8C19AD111BBEA00805FBE134123B9A2@exccolorado.co.lsil.com> From: "Barnes, Larry" To: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Subject: SE and diff drivers on same pin Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:37:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain I'm trying to construct a model of a SCSI-2 part. SCSI-2 data pins are either differential or single-ended depending on what bus is detected by the part. I was planning on using the model selector to assign either the SE or diff driver to the correct pin. BUT I am in a quandary where to place the Diff Pin definitions. Also the I-V curves of the differential pins are not exact mirrors of each other, so I have set of data available for each side of the diff driver. I guess I could defined two complete components in the file, one single-ended usage and one for differential. But I still have a question as to how to implement the Diff Pin definitions Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Larry Barnes larry.barnes@lsil.com From owner-ibis Wed May 5 05:23:17 1999 Received: from tpts6.seed.net.tw (tpts6.seed.net.tw [139.175.55.240]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id FAA01928 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail_server.elitemt.com.tw (elitemt.com.tw [203.73.150.253]) by tpts6.seed.net.tw (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA08050 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:17:31 +0800 (CST) Received: by elitemt.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:16:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?Big5?B?rUqrVK7R?= To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: ibis-spice conversion in win98 Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:16:49 +0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE9734.35B15420" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9734.35B15420 Content-Type: text/plain Dear All I have some questions about SDRAM IBIS model creation. 1. Can I use Hspice (DOS ver) and s2ibis2 (win95 ver) in win98 to make ibis file? 2. Where can i find examples which close to SDRAM's *.s2i file, Because i don't know how to write a *.s2i file correctly? 3. What's the relationship between *.sp, *.spi and *.s2i in the step of making ibis? 4. If i want to extract the ramp rate data of SDRAM (LVTTL), what kind of input waveform must be applied to the input node (perfect step function from 0-3.3v (3.3v-0) or 1ns/1ns rise/fall time waveform) ? 5. How to define the v_fixture of LVTTL system and it will be added to simulation the rising/falling waveform or not? I need your help thanks Best Regards Chris Hu ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9734.35B15420 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All
I have = some questions about SDRAM IBIS model creation.
1. Can I use Hspice (DOS ver) and s2ibis2 (win95 = ver) in win98 to make ibis file?
2. Where can i find examples which close to SDRAM's = *.s2i file, Because i don't know how to write a *.s2i file = correctly?

3. What's the relationship between *.sp, *.spi and = *.s2i in the step of making ibis?
4. If i want to extract the ramp rate data of SDRAM = (LVTTL), what kind of input waveform must be applied to
    the input node (perfect step = function from 0-3.3v (3.3v-0) or 1ns/1ns rise/fall time waveform) = ?
5. How to define the v_fixture of LVTTL system = and it will be added to simulation the rising/falling waveform
     or not?

I need your help
thanks
Best Regards
Chris Hu

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9734.35B15420-- From owner-ibis Wed May 5 06:57:00 1999 Received: from mailext04.compaq.com (mailext04.compaq.com [207.18.199.42]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA02930 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 06:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailext04.compaq.com by mailext04.compaq.com via smail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 5 May 99 08:51:08 -0500 (CDT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.10 built 27-oct-98) Received: from mail.compaq.com([not looked up]) (peer mailint02.compaq.com[207.18.199.35]) by mailext04.compaq.com with SMTP id rcv004766; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exchou-gh01.im.hou.compaq.com(really [172.18.219.203]) by mail.compaq.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Wed, 5 May 99 08:50:50 -0500 (CDT) (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.10 built 18-dec-97) Received: by exchou-gh01.im.hou.compaq.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2559.0) id ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <427351B4DEABD111A99400805F19E9BB02D62A9E@exchou-prod0901.eng.hou.compaq.com> From: "Beal, Weston" To: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Subject: RE: SE and diff drivers on same pin Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:50:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2559.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, Defining the differential pins with different drivers is no problem. You just assign the appropriate model in the pin list and then define the pins as differential in the diff pin block. I think that IBIS allows you to use model selector and diff pin on the same pins, but it is likely to confuse half the simulators, or simple not be supported. I've seen this type of device before in IBIS and the manufacturer defined it as two different devices. This is your best bet, I think. Regards, Weston Beal Signal Integrity Engineer Compaq Computer Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Barnes, Larry [mailto:Larry.Barnes@lsil.com] Sent: Tuesday, 04 May, 1999 4:38 PM To: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Subject: SE and diff drivers on same pin I'm trying to construct a model of a SCSI-2 part. SCSI-2 data pins are either differential or single-ended depending on what bus is detected by the part. I was planning on using the model selector to assign either the SE or diff driver to the correct pin. BUT I am in a quandary where to place the Diff Pin definitions. Also the I-V curves of the differential pins are not exact mirrors of each other, so I have set of data available for each side of the diff driver. I guess I could defined two complete components in the file, one single-ended usage and one for differential. But I still have a question as to how to implement the Diff Pin definitions Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Larry Barnes larry.barnes@lsil.com From owner-ibis Wed May 5 08:34:29 1999 Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com ([134.134.248.3]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA04160 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orsmsx28.jf.intel.com (orsmsx28.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.28]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id PAA07234 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:27:04 GMT Received: by orsmsx28.jf.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 5 May 1999 08:27:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4575832C8E71D111AC4100A0C96B512703BB0BC7@fmsmsx36.fm.intel.com> From: "Muranyi, Arpad" To: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Subject: RE: SE and diff drivers on same pin Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry, It seems to me that you would like to use the [Model Selector] to be able to switch between the differential and single ended mode of the buffer. You are right, this would only be possible if the [Diff Pin] keyword (or a similar) function could be inside the [Model Selector]. Unfortunately this can't be done currently. I would suggest to use the comment character before the line that defines the pins of interest as differential in the [Diff Pin] section for the single ended mode, and no comment character for the differential mode. I am just curious, are there a lot of devices like this out there? If so, we should probably find an IBIS solution for this case. This could be brought up in one of the Open Forum meetings, if necessary. Arpad ============================================================================ == -----Original Message----- From: Beal, Weston [mailto:Weston.Beal@COMPAQ.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 6:51 AM To: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Subject: RE: SE and diff drivers on same pin Larry, Defining the differential pins with different drivers is no problem. You just assign the appropriate model in the pin list and then define the pins as differential in the diff pin block. I think that IBIS allows you to use model selector and diff pin on the same pins, but it is likely to confuse half the simulators, or simple not be supported. I've seen this type of device before in IBIS and the manufacturer defined it as two different devices. This is your best bet, I think. Regards, Weston Beal Signal Integrity Engineer Compaq Computer Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Barnes, Larry [mailto:Larry.Barnes@lsil.com] Sent: Tuesday, 04 May, 1999 4:38 PM To: 'ibis-users@eda.org' Subject: SE and diff drivers on same pin I'm trying to construct a model of a SCSI-2 part. SCSI-2 data pins are either differential or single-ended depending on what bus is detected by the part. I was planning on using the model selector to assign either the SE or diff driver to the correct pin. BUT I am in a quandary where to place the Diff Pin definitions. Also the I-V curves of the differential pins are not exact mirrors of each other, so I have set of data available for each side of the diff driver. I guess I could defined two complete components in the file, one single-ended usage and one for differential. But I still have a question as to how to implement the Diff Pin definitions Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Larry Barnes larry.barnes@lsil.com From owner-ibis Wed May 5 10:07:02 1999 Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id KAA05082 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11205 invoked by alias); 5 May 1999 17:01:19 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-ibis-users@eda.org@fixme Received: (qmail 11188 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 1999 17:01:18 -0000 Received: from premiumf6.ptld.uswest.net (HELO vasthorizons.com) (207.225.90.6) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 17:01:18 -0000 Message-ID: <373079B7.C683EB6E@vasthorizons.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:02:47 -0700 From: Scott McMorrow Reply-To: scott@vasthorizons.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=ADJ=ABT=AE=D1?= , ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: ibis-spice conversion in win98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit �J�T�� wrote: > > > Dear All > I have some questions about SDRAM IBIS model creation. > 1. Can I use Hspice (DOS ver) and s2ibis2 (win95 ver) in win98 to make > ibis file? Yes, as long as the batch file makes the correct dos command line call to hspice. > > 2. Where can i find examples which close to SDRAM's *.s2i file, > Because i don't know how to write a *.s2i file correctly? There are examples in the s2ibis2 source code on the ibis web site. > > > 3. What's the relationship between *.sp, *.spi and *.s2i in the step > of making ibis? .s2i is the s2ibis2 control file .sp is your original spice file that has been modified by you to easily interface to the .s2i file spice calls. .spi are the spice files that s2ibis2 creates to perform simulation these are created from the .s2i file and the .sp file, along with the .mod file .mod contains the process information. This is often supplied by a manufacturer as a seperate set of process decks. If there are not seperate decks, then you have to create files with calls to the appropriate library files. > > 4. If i want to extract the ramp rate data of SDRAM (LVTTL), what kind > of input waveform must be applied to > the input node (perfect step function from 0-3.3v (3.3v-0) or > 1ns/1ns rise/fall time waveform) ? > In general, you can let s2ibis2 generate a default input ramp waveform, since most models supplied by vendors are full transistor models, they will perform some sort of wave shaping. > 5. How to define the v_fixture of LVTTL system and it will be added > to simulation the rising/falling waveform > or not? > For standard totem pole outputs, four waveform tables need to be generated, as follows: Rising waveform, Vfixture = 0, Rfixture = nominal trace impedance Rising waveform, Vfixture = Voh(max), Rfixture = nominal trace impedance Falling waveform, Vfixture = 0, Rfixture = nominal trace impedance Falling waveform, Vfixture = Voh(max), Rfixture = nominal trace impedance Voh(max) is usually the supply voltage. As a result, you need to also specify the Vfixture_min and Vfixture_max, which are consistant with the voltages used to generate the IV curves. Also, it is common for a device to drive multiple trace impedances on a board, or on multiple boards. When this is the case, multiple sets of Rising and Falling waveforms must be created to cover the reasonable range of transmission line impedances that a device will drive. Multiples of 5 or 10 ohms are common. (i.e. 30,40,50,60,70,80 ohms) For example, if the nominal board trace impedance is 60 ohms and a driver is at the end of a line, then it is driving a 60 ohm load. However, if the driver is in the middle of a line, it is driving a 30 ohm load. For the best simulation accuracy, it is best to have two sets of waveform tables to use, one generated at a 60 ohm load, and the other at a 30 ohm load. Regards, Scott > > I need your help > thanks > Best Regards > Chris Hu > From owner-ibis Wed May 5 10:14:35 1999 Received: from jake.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA05119 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tensor ([192.168.148.75]) by jake.hyperlynx.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06869 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:14:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990505100850.00ab7770@hyperwall> X-Sender: mbflora@hyperwall X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:08:50 +0000 To: ibis-users@eda.org From: Matthew Flora Subject: RE: SE and diff drivers on same pin In-Reply-To: <4575832C8E71D111AC4100A0C96B512703BB0BC7@fmsmsx36.fm.intel .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Larry, Arpad, >It seems to me that you would like to use the [Model Selector] to be able to >switch between the differential and single ended mode of the buffer. You >are right, this would only be possible if the [Diff Pin] keyword (or a >similar) function could be inside the [Model Selector]. Unfortunately this >can't be done currently. I would suggest to use the comment character before >the line that defines the pins of interest as differential in the [Diff Pin] >section for the single ended mode, and no comment character for the >differential mode. As annoying as it is to build two separate models, I would advocate doing that rather than commenting out various sections of the model depending on what "mode" the user desires. Would you, as a user, like being forced to modify a model file in order to use it? Sounds tedious and "unfriendly". In my experience, many of the folks using IBIS models know nothing about IBIS (and don't necessarily want to if they don't have to). I realize the maintenance burden goes up having to support two models, even if they are in the same file. But consider that the maintenance burden affects only a couple of people in your organization for a limited time, while potentially hundreds of users would be saved having to edit the model file(s), perhaps multiple times each. Remember that your models are likely to be in use in the field much, much longer than it takes you to build/maintain them. Regards, Matthew Flora Senior Engineer HyperLynx (425) 869-2320 PH (425) 881-1008 FAX mbflora@hyperlynx.com 17641 NE 67th Court, Redmond, WA 98052 USA From owner-ibis Wed May 5 14:08:45 1999 Received: from techst02.technion.ac.il (mailer@techst02.technion.ac.il [132.68.7.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA07237 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by techst02.technion.ac.il (Postfix, from userid 13770) id 260C714ED8; Thu, 6 May 1999 00:02:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 00:02:52 +0300 (IDT) From: Sabbag Erez To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: remove me form your mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please, remove me form the ibis-users@eda.org mailing list. Thanks. Erez Sabbag, E-mail:sabbage@t2.technion.ac.il From owner-ibis Tue May 11 02:25:01 1999 Received: from tpts6.seed.net.tw (tpts6.seed.net.tw [139.175.55.240]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA29718 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail_server.elitemt.com.tw (elitemt.com.tw [203.73.150.253]) by tpts6.seed.net.tw (8.9.2/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08109 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:19:13 +0800 (CST) Received: by elitemt.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:18:12 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?Big5?B?rUqrVK7R?= To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: s2ibis2 operating process in DOS Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:18:08 +0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BE9BD2.3F5A42F0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9BD2.3F5A42F0 Content-Type: text/plain Dear All I met some faults in running s2ibis2, i hope someone can teach me how to solve the problems. 1. How to modify the HSPICE.BAT and HSPICE.PIF files to meet the DOS version HSPICE? Because the program always fail in the HSPICE operation item and the automatically generated *.spi file can be exeicuted in individual dir.. 2. The INPUT and ENABLE pins are the circuit internal pins not the IC signal name for DRAM OCD circuit. I force INPUT and ENABLE to replace two NC pin and set as NoModel. Does it will cause any problem in executing s2ibis2. 3. What's the latest version of s2ibis2 of win95 (1.0 ) ? Regards ChunShu Hu ------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9BD2.3F5A42F0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear All
        I met = some faults in running s2ibis2, i hope someone can teach me how to = solve the problems.
1. How to modify the HSPICE.BAT and HSPICE.PIF files = to meet the DOS version HSPICE?
     Because the program always = fail in the HSPICE operation    item and the = automatically generated *.spi file
     can be exeicuted in = individual dir..

2. The INPUT and ENABLE pins are the circuit = internal pins not the IC signal name for DRAM OCD circuit.
     I force INPUT and ENABLE to = replace two NC pin and set as NoModel. Does it will cause any = problem
     in executing = s2ibis2.
3. What's the latest version of s2ibis2 of win95 = (1.0 ) ?

Regards
ChunShu = Hu

------ =_NextPart_001_01BE9BD2.3F5A42F0-- From owner-ibis Wed May 12 05:17:10 1999 Received: from centralp.fr (pcinf0.centralp.fr [192.90.87.130]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id FAA06386 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pcinf030 [192.9.200.230] by centralp.fr [192.9.201.200] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:13:44 +0200 Received: by pcinf030 with Microsoft Mail id <01BE9C81.30C23220@pcinf030>; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:10:29 +0200 Message-ID: <01BE9C81.30C23220@pcinf030> From: Recherche Developpement To: "'vbspice2ibis@veribest.com'" Cc: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: Request of informations about components Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:10:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: ibis-users@vhdl.org X-Return-Path: rech_dev@centralp.fr Dear Sir, I currently have a big problem. I must do an Ibis file for the circuit following : "CDC391 (T.I.) package ITS16" in output, "74F374 (T.I.) package SOL20" in output, "74ABT821 (T.I.) package SOL24" in output. I only know very few things on the characteristics of these components : - their inductance of package L_pkg, - their capacity of package C_pkg, - their capacity internal I/O C_I/O, - their rising time / falling time (tr/tf) at output, - and their resistance of output. I would wish to make a model spice for then making a model ibis by using S2ibis. Could you help me by saying to me if it is possible to achieve this goal. Best regards. Fabrice COQ From owner-ibis Wed May 12 10:13:33 1999 Received: from jake.hyperlynx.com (root@mail.hyperlynx.com [209.20.148.70]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA07439; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tensor ([192.168.148.75]) by jake.hyperlynx.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA29747; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990512100738.00b79400@hyperwall> X-Sender: mbflora@hyperwall X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:07:38 +0000 To: ibis@eda.org, ibis-users@eda.org From: Matthew Flora Subject: DAC99 IBIS Summit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" D A C I B I S S U M M I T M E E T I N G F I R S T A N N O U N C E M E N T DATE: Monday, June 21, 1993 TIME: 8:30 AM - Afternoon CITY: New Orleans, Louisiana LOCATION: Hilton Hotel, New Orleans Riverside, next to Ernest N. Morial Convention Center where the Design Automation Conference (DAC) is being held. ROOM: Chequers LUNCH: Refreshments and Lunch will be provided. AGENDA: The agenda is being planned. Some planned items are: SP-4557 Letter Ballot Comment Resolution based on comments received to date on pending standardization of IBIS Version 3.2. Election of Officers for 1999-2000. Presentations and Discussions on IBIS Topics. So far, tentative presentations are expected on Equation based models and IMIC. We are open to several more. Discussion on major IBIS 4.0 requirements. DAC: DAC is scheduled Monday - Friday, June 21 -25, 1999. The exhibitor portion is open from 10 AM to 6 PM on Monday - Wednesday. So there should be time after the IBIS Summit meeting to visit the show. For more information on DAC99 activities, housing, etc. visit the DAC99 URL. DAC URL: http://www.dac.com/ CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: We are also open to technical presentations related to any current IBIS activity and to future IBIS needs. We already have several presentations planned. Contact Matthew Flora regarding your presentation: Presenter: Title: Estimated Time: We would like you to provide handouts for the meeting (about 25) and also an electronic copy for archiving. CALL FOR ATTENDEES: Please let Matthew Flora know if you are planning to attend so we have an estimate on food requirements. CONTACT: Matthew Flora mbflora@hyperlynx.com (425) 869-2320 From owner-ibis Thu May 13 16:56:36 1999 Received: from stellar-g.actel.com (stellar-g.actel.com [204.33.72.20]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA11856 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sv-gw-02.amer.actel.com by stellar-g.actel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12070; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:22 -0700 Received: by sv-gw-02.amer.actel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <2VYY9NAA>; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Montoya, Silvia" To: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Cc: "Montoya, Silvia" Subject: Diode Modeling in SPICE Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hello IBIS model makers ! I have a 5V CMOS I/O tristate-able buffer I'm trying to model. The IBIS curves generated by s2ibis2 are a very good match to measured data between 0.7v up to about 5.9v. But between -5V to 0.7v and 5.9v to 10v the curves deviate quite a bit. I've disabled the parasitic diodes in the nmos and pmos device models ( IS=0 ) and added n+ and p+ parasitic diodes to the netlist. I've been playing with the n+ and p+ diode model (level 3) parameters ( n, js, ivb, area, pj ) trying to match SPICE results to measured data with limited success. Are there any suggestions for other model parameters to tweek, or maybe there is something going on with the s2ibis2 SPICE sim limits/parameters I'm not aware of ? Thanks, The time you spend helping me out is greatly appreciated ! Silvia Montoya email : silvia.montoya@actel.com From owner-ibis Fri May 14 06:41:59 1999 Received: from smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.19]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id GAA15397 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: gedlund@us.ibm.com Received: from northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (northrelay02.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.22]) by smtp7.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA105180; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:36:18 -0400 Received: from D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com (d51mta10.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.38]) by northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id JAA93732; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:35:42 -0400 Received: by D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 85256771.004AAC3A ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:35:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: "Montoya, Silvia" cc: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Message-ID: <85256771.004AA9F1.00@D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:35:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Diode Modeling in SPICE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Silvia, It's been a while since I did this work, so my memory might be a little rusty... I remember extracting Is and n parameters from lab data for bipolar transistors a few years ago; this is essentially the same measurement. We put the data on a log-log plot. From the slope you can get n. The y-axis intercept gives you Is. Start with the diode equation: I = Is * {exp [(Vq)/(nkT)] - 1} If you assume the -1 is negligible and take the natural log of both sides, ln(I) = ln(Is) + (qV/nkT) You'll also need some way to measure T. For a nice graph, see "The PN Junction Diode," by Gerold Neudeck, Addison-Wesley, 1989, figure 4.7, section 4.2, page 83 in my copy. I applaud you for your efforts. I wish all my model providers did this kind of work! (Shameless plug for a committee I've been working on: you can find some useful information on making accurate IBIS datasheets and documenting your results. Look under "accuracy" on the IBIS web page. It's called the IBIS Accuracy Spec, although nobody is interested in using it as a spec just yet. It has some great information on what kind of measurements you can make to validate the accuracy of the models you provide.) Greg Edlund Advisory Engineer, Critical Net Analysis IBM 3650 Hwy. 52 N, Dept. HDC Rochester, MN 55901 gedlund@us.ibm.com "Montoya, Silvia" on 05/13/99 06:50:24 PM To: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" cc: "Montoya, Silvia" (bcc: Gregory R Edlund/Rochester/IBM) Subject: Diode Modeling in SPICE Hello IBIS model makers ! I have a 5V CMOS I/O tristate-able buffer I'm trying to model. The IBIS curves generated by s2ibis2 are a very good match to measured data between 0.7v up to about 5.9v. But between -5V to 0.7v and 5.9v to 10v the curves deviate quite a bit. I've disabled the parasitic diodes in the nmos and pmos device models ( IS=0 ) and added n+ and p+ parasitic diodes to the netlist. I've been playing with the n+ and p+ diode model (level 3) parameters ( n, js, ivb, area, pj ) trying to match SPICE results to measured data with limited success. Are there any suggestions for other model parameters to tweek, or maybe there is something going on with the s2ibis2 SPICE sim limits/parameters I'm not aware of ? Thanks, The time you spend helping me out is greatly appreciated ! Silvia Montoya email : silvia.montoya@actel.com From owner-ibis Fri May 14 08:49:48 1999 Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA15780 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA02629; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtg801.pdx.intel.com (xtg801.pdx.intel.com [134.134.114.35]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: internal.m4,v 1.2 1998/11/09 19:18:37 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id IAA28464; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips.intel.com (localhost.pdx.intel.com [127.0.0.1]) by xtg801.pdx.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) with ESMTP id IAA21240; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905141543.IAA21240@xtg801.pdx.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "Montoya, Silvia" cc: "'ibis-users@eda.org'" Subject: Re: Diode Modeling in SPICE In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:24 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:43:30 -0700 From: Stephen Peters Hello Silvia: It's not clear to me from your description if the problem is with the active curves [Pullup]/[Pulldown] or diode curves [Gnd Clamp]/[PWR clamp], but if it is the diode curves you may want to add some bulk and metalization resistance to your model. In that past, that has done the trick for me. Regards, Stephen Peters Intel Corp. > Hello IBIS model makers ! > > I have a 5V CMOS I/O tristate-able buffer I'm trying to model. The IBIS > curves generated by s2ibis2 are a very good match > to measured data between 0.7v up to about 5.9v. But between -5V to 0.7v > and 5.9v to 10v the curves deviate quite a bit. > I've disabled the parasitic diodes in the nmos and pmos device models ( > IS=0 ) and added n+ and p+ parasitic diodes to the > netlist. I've been playing with the n+ and p+ diode model (level 3) > parameters ( n, js, ivb, area, pj ) trying to match SPICE > results to measured data with limited success. > > Are there any suggestions for other model parameters to tweek, or maybe > there is something going on with the s2ibis2 SPICE > sim limits/parameters I'm not aware of ? > > Thanks, > The time you spend helping me out is greatly appreciated ! > > Silvia Montoya > email : silvia.montoya@actel.com From owner-ibis Fri May 14 16:15:26 1999 Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA16754 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.41.35]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA19080 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:10:40 -0700 Sender: "Kim Helliwell" Message-ID: <373CACD5.4D5C0DAB@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:08:05 -0700 From: Kim Helliwell Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: IBIS from HSPICE models using s2ibis2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have 2 questions about the process of creating an IBIS model from an HSPICE model using s2ibis2: 1. The HSPICE model I have uses different libraries to model effects of process variations. As far as I can tell, s2ibis2 does not make it possible to switch libraries when sweeping through the "min, typ, max" sequence. s2ibis2 appears to only vary supply voltage and temperature to obtain the min, typ and max curves, implying that one must run s2ibis2 3 times and pick the correct voltage/temp variations from each run to put together the full set with process variations included. Do I have this right? 2. The HSPICE model I have also includes package parasitics. Would I have to remove these for the s2ibis2 run and add them in by hand? Otherwise, I would assume that they would affect the rising and falling curves and would therefore implicitly be included. Thanks to anyone who can help. -- Kim Helliwell Senior CAE Engineer Acuson Corporation Phone: 650 694 5030 FAX: 650 943 7260 From owner-ibis Fri May 14 17:04:54 1999 Received: from mail01-oak.pilot.net (mail-oak-1.pilot.net [198.232.147.16]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA16830 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 17:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idt.com (unknown-5-20.idt.com [157.165.5.20] (may be forged)) by mail01-oak.pilot.net with ESMTP id QAA22129; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Eng.idt.com (root@maxwell.Eng.idt.com [157.165.21.24]) by idt.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id QAA29674; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.Eng.idt.com (hermes.Eng.idt.com [157.165.41.92]) by Eng.idt.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA08788 ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Arthur Wong Received: (arthur@localhost) by hermes.Eng.idt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13273; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:58:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:58:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199905142358.QAA13273@hermes.Eng.idt.com> To: khelliwe@acuson.com, ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: IBIS from HSPICE models using s2ibis2 Kim, 1. s2ibis2 can model process variations by defining different transistor models for typ/min/max. Use the keyword "[Model File]" in your s2ibis2 command file to define the various models. 2. Yes, remove the package parasitics from your Hspice models so that your simulation results won't include these effects. However, define the parasitics in the s2ibis2 command file so that they will get transferred to the resulting *.ibs file. Hope this helps. Arthur Wong IDT > From owner-ibis@server.eda.org Fri May 14 16:14:29 1999 > Sender: "Kim Helliwell" > Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:08:05 -0700 > From: Kim Helliwell > Organization: Acuson > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: ibis-users@eda.org > Subject: IBIS from HSPICE models using s2ibis2 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=us-ascii> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1039 > > I have 2 questions about the process of creating an > IBIS model from an HSPICE model using s2ibis2: > > 1. The HSPICE model I have uses different libraries to model > effects of process variations. As far as I can > tell, s2ibis2 does not make it possible to switch > libraries when sweeping through the "min, typ, max" > sequence. s2ibis2 appears to only vary supply > voltage and temperature to obtain the min, typ > and max curves, implying that one must run s2ibis2 > 3 times and pick the correct voltage/temp variations > from each run to put together the full set with > process variations included. Do I have this right? > > 2. The HSPICE model I have also includes package parasitics. > Would I have to remove these for the s2ibis2 run and > add them in by hand? Otherwise, I would assume that they > would affect the rising and falling curves and would > therefore implicitly be included. > > Thanks to anyone who can help. > > > -- > Kim Helliwell > Senior CAE Engineer > Acuson Corporation > Phone: 650 694 5030 FAX: 650 943 7260 > From owner-ibis Sat May 15 12:07:34 1999 Received: from gonzo.wolfenet.com (sea-pm3-1-p49.wolfenet.com [206.159.28.49]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA18942 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from green@localhost) by gonzo.wolfenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05232; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:24 -0700 Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: Montoya@gonzo.wolfenet.com, Silvia Resent-To: "ibis-users@eda.org" Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: green@wolfenet.com Sender: green@gonzo.wolfenet.com From: Lynne Green To: Silvia.Montoya@actel.com Subject: FW: Diode Modeling in SPICE Cc: ibis-users@eda.org Silvia - Diode models are notoriously poor at covering both forward and reverse directions. Main things to play with are series resistance RS and breakdown characteristics (BV and IKV). Tune RS to get a better fit in the forward direction. Then the breakdown characteristics can be tuned to get a better fit in the reverse direction. If the diode goes into forward punchthrough (junction reaches entirely through a bulk layer), you may need to do more than this. That doesn't sound likely here. Lynne Green HyperLynx -----FW: To: "ibis-users@eda.org" Subject: Diode Modeling in SPICE Cc: "Montoya, Silvia" Hello IBIS model makers ! I have a 5V CMOS I/O tristate-able buffer I'm trying to model. The IBIS curves generated by s2ibis2 are a very good match to measured data between 0.7v up to about 5.9v. But between -5V to 0.7v and 5.9v to 10v the curves deviate quite a bit. I've disabled the parasitic diodes in the nmos and pmos device models ( IS=0 ) and added n+ and p+ parasitic diodes to the netlist. I've been playing with the n+ and p+ diode model (level 3) parameters ( n, js, ivb, area, pj ) trying to match SPICE results to measured data with limited success. Are there any suggestions for other model parameters to tweek, or maybe there is something going on with the s2ibis2 SPICE sim limits/parameters I'm not aware of ? Thanks, The time you spend helping me out is greatly appreciated ! Silvia Montoya email : silvia.montoya@actel.com --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Lynne Green Date: 15-May-99 Time: 11:56:01 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- From owner-ibis Wed May 19 10:21:36 1999 Received: from wile.nesa.com ([204.240.29.30]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03257 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by wile.nesa.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00485; Wed, 19 May 1999 12:16:10 -0400 Received: from porky.nesa.com(204.240.29.45) by wile.nesa.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000478; Wed May 19 12:15:53 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990519121823.00a22b30@mail.nesa.com> X-Sender: breda@mail.nesa.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:18:23 -0400 To: ibis-users@eda.org From: Kathy Breda Subject: REMINDER - IBIS User's Meeting - THURSAY 5/20/99 3:00PM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" REMINDER!! 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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:12:41 +0900 Organization: =?EUC-KR?B?sOa6z7Trx9Cxsw==?= =?EUC-KR?B?wPzA2rD4x9Cw+g==?= ASIC Lab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by server.eda.org id TAA09660 Hi. First, thank you for useful website to study IBIS. I'm a graduated student of Kyungpook Univ. in South Korea. These days I study IBIS. I want to simulate high frequency circuit.(check signal integrity, ringing effect, etc..) So I try to anaysis circuit using IBIS model. And I try to make model(Spice model) only using IBIS data. But it's very difficuilt for me. I can get IBIS information only ANSI/EIA-656 IBIS Home Page. So I search for IBIS information or reference book. I searched all web site and amazon book strore but can't find. 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